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Testing of the new engine that will finally power the T-50 stealth fighter will start in 2014, Evgeny Marchukov, General Designer-Director of A. Lyulka Scientific-and-Technical Center, forming part of NPO, recently told the press. (via Lenta.ru)

"The first engine will be assembled in two years and the testing will be started in the network of the engine's full-scale development. This is a brand new engine, that is why its development is taking much time", Marchukov said.

Moscow-based Salut and NPO Saturn are building a brand new stealthy powerplant for the T-50, which is not a derivative of the AL-41F1 (Product 117) engine that powers it currently.

Called Product 30, the new engine will be 30% lighter than the Product 117 engine and come with 30% lower life-cycle cost.

The new engine is expected to offer about 17.5 tons (171.6 kn) of thrust in full afterburning mode and somewhere in the range of 12 tons (117.7 kn) in dry mode, allowing the aircraft to comfortably super-cruise at around Mach 1.5.

CEO of NPO Saturn, Ilya Fedorov, said in April 2011 that development of the new engine is running ahead of schedule and the first engines will be delivered to the Russian Ministry of Defense in 2015. The first serial T-50s should be acquired by Russian air forces the same year.

Earlier, NPO Saturn and Salut were competing to develop an engine for the T-50 with designs known as Eniseysk-A and Eniseysk-B, respectively.

Minimizing Development Risk

According to Salut CEO Yuri Eliseev, in order to minimize risks, technologies that will go into the second-stage engine will be developed and tested as upgrades to the Al-31F engines that power the Su-27/Su-30 family of fighters.

As part of the first stage of development, a new compressor has been fitted into a new version called AL-31FM1 with a thrust of 27,000 lb., interval between overhauls of 1,000 hr. and service life of 2,000 hr.; compared to 25,000 lb. thrust, 500 hr. between overhauls and 1,500 hr. of service life for the serial AL-31F.

The AL-31FM1 already powers modernized Su-27SM Russian air force fighters and has also been approved for installation on Su-34 bombers.

A further development, the AL-31FM2, is being bench-tested. The engine features a new combustor chamber and turbine and reached 29,200 lb. thrust.

Interim Powerplant: NPO Saturn AL-41F1 (Product 117)

In March 2010, Sukhoi chief Mikhail Pogosyan said the T-50 would enter service with the air force powered by the Saturn 117. He indicated development of the second-stage engine could take another decade.

The 14.5 tons thrust NPO Saturn AL-41F1 (Product 117) engine is an upgraded version of AL-41F1S engine intended for Su-35, which in turn is a derivative of the NPO Saturn's AL-31F series that power the Su-27/Su-30 family of fighters.

The Product 117 engine comes with a new full-authority digital engine control unit and uses key components of the AL-41F1S supercruising core. The AL-41F was developed for the Mikoyan MFI fighter (Mikoyan Project 1.44).

The Su-35 is the first non-US fighter with substantial sustained supersonic cruise capability, so even initial models of PAF-FA should support good supercruise giving it a good advantage in initial engagement.

According to Saturn, the Product 117 engine satisfies most air force requirements (including supercruise ability) but is not a stealthy design.

FGFA / T-50 New Engine (Product 30) Testing to Start in Two Years
 
Capable of super-cruising around Mach 1.5 .

That is pretty good .
 
I thought India was going to build the engine... And then I read the article and it said Russia... I have hope for the T-50 now...
 
Thats rich coming from a Indian where even Tejas with 30 years of European work is not ready to fly :wave:

The LCA project only started offically in 1995 so the 30 years you guys like to spout out is pure BS.
 
No india does not have the expertise to help in the development of 5th gen engines. For India, FGFA work will mostly involve composites, avionics and software.

But b'coz we will get complete access to every tech. developed for PAKFA/FGFA, we ca build the same for our future projects indigenously.
 
It started in 1980, the project and all the materials were put in with hard work, later stopped and restarted back again in 1995

And acatual construction of airframe + other stuff began only in 1995.

What happened in 1980 was simple paper work and analysis of IAF's requirement, but pundits like
you consider that as "development". So technically LCA is 17 yrs in development for 3 variants -
Air force single-seat, air force twin-seat and Navy twin-seat - a naval single-seat version is set to
appear now.
 
But b'coz we will get complete access to every tech. developed for PAKFA/FGFA, we ca build the same for our future projects indigenously.

I hope so, but I don't think russia will pass us the critical fifth gen technology like the engine manufacturing technology etc. We may own the IPR and revenues from the sale of the fighter, but that wont help much when it comes to developing 6th gen technology. We have been manufacturing SU30 MKI engines in house, if I am not worng, which obviously did not help much in upgrading Kaveri.
 
And acatual construction of airframe + other stuff began only in 1995.

What happened in 1980 was simple paper work and analysis of IAF's requirement, but pundits like
you consider that as "development". So technically LCA is 17 yrs in development for 3 variants -
Air force single-seat, air force twin-seat and Navy twin-seat - a naval single-seat version is set to
appear now.

How many times you gonna educate them buddy? they talk crap about LCA like how it is delayed and boast of their design work during codevelopment of Jf17 plane with china, how the major input and work was done by them, How every part of JF17 is being manufactured inhouse. But they miss the point that after all this so called contribution and in house manufacturing, they cannot make a twin seater or MK2 version of the plane and still waiting for china to do that for them.
 
The LCA project only started offically in 1995 so the 30 years you guys like to spout out is pure BS.

That's Pakistani maths for you!

It started in 1980, the project and all the materials were put in with hard work, later stopped and restarted back again in 1995

Try again, full funding was granted in 92-93. In fact ADA was established in 85.
 
But b'coz we will get complete access to every tech. developed for PAKFA/FGFA, we ca build the same for our future projects indigenously.

Actually even russia is building its 5th gen engines for first time. So it will be good if we partner them.
Knowledge will be the real ToT
 
This will clear the barrier for the sale of AL-41 or article 117 engine to China. Hence the SU 35 sales will commence. I dunno weather this will create a whole new arms race. :coffee:
 
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