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Minister for States and Frontier Region retired Gen Abdul Qadir Baloch told the Senate that UNSC had in a resolution listed the JuD as LeT with a new name, but no supporting evidence had been shared with Pakistan to establish the connection. —APP/File
ISLAMABAD: The government has ruled out the possibility of proscribing Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) in the near future and says there is no evidence of the charity organisation having been formed in place of the outlawed Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

Minister for States and Frontier Region retired Gen Abdul Qadir Baloch told the Senate on behalf of Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan during the question hour on Tuesday that the United Nations Security Council had in a resolution listed the JuD as LeT with a new name, but no supporting evidence had been shared with Pakistan to establish the connection.

He said the organisation had been under observation in terms of Section 11-D of the Anti-Terrorism Act since Nov 15, 2003 and the provinces had been asked to keep a watch on its activities. The JuD will be proscribed if a report confirming its involvement in terrorism is received under Section 11-B of the ATA.

Under Section 11-B, an organisation is proscribed if the federal government has reasons to believe that it is linked to terrorism. Under the law, the government can place an organisation under observation for six months if it is suspected of being involved in terrorist activities. The period can be extended only after providing the organisation an opportunity of being heard.

Mr Baloch said that at present the JuD was engaged in charity and social work, operating hospitals, clinics, schools, ambulance service and religious institutions, and its offices had been closed between 2008 and 2010. But finally it was given a relief by the Lahore High Court.

The minister said that Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation (FIF) had also been listed by the UNSC as a suspected charity having links with LeT, but did not say if it was also under observation.

He said two charities – Khuddam-ul-Islam and Jamaat-ul-Furqan – had been proscribed by the government for having been formed in place of the banned Jaish-i-Muhammad. He said Al-Akhtar Trust and Al-Rasheed Trust had been listed by the UNSC and Al-Rehmat Trust and Al-Anfaal Trust by the United States for their alleged links with Jaish-i-Muhammad.

Mr Baloch said an organisation proscribed under Section 11-B of the ATA 1997 was not allowed to carry out any activity, including charity work, under a different name.

In a written reply to a question, the interior ministry informed the Senate that two terrorist attacks on jails had been carried in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, one in 2012 and the other in 2013.

It said the subject of law and order had been devolved to the provinces under the 18th Amendment, but the federal government was assisting the provincial governments in their capacity and security efforts.

A comprehensive report on steps to strengthen security of jails in the provinces was also presented in the house.

According to the report, 173 army personnel and 208 Rangers had been deployed in Punjab jails and cellular jammers installed in 14 of them.

Adiyala jail in Rawalpindi has been declared as a high security prison under the Protection of Pakistan Act and security arrangements have been enhanced. High security prisons have been established by the Punjab government in Mianwali and Sahiwal.

According to the report, 980 personnel of the Sindh prison department have been trained by the army in weapon handling and firing. As many as 143 personnel of Rangers and FC have been deployed for jail security in Sindh. Central prisons in Karachi, Hyderabad, Sukkur and Larkana have been declared as high security jails.

The report says that 106 personnel of the army and 87 from “others” have been deployed in jails in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The house was informed that mobile phone jammers had been installed in Haripur jail and high security Mardan prison.

Quetta cantonment prison and jails in Gilgit and Diamer have been declared high security prisons.

Published in Dawn, July 8th, 2015

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اسلام آباد: وفاقی حکومت نے جماعت دعوۃ پر پابندی کے کسی بھی امکان کو مسترد کر دیا ہے جبکہ اس فلاحی تنظیم کی کالعدم لشکرطیبہ کی جگہ قیام یا روابط کے کسی ثبوت کی بھی تردید کی ہے۔
Good news. Samaritans should be protected.
 
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So shouldnt india be taking the first step by sentencing the samjhota express bombers before saying anything about pakistan and jud?


Key difference. No Indians went to another country & bombed or killed people. Also there is no Pakistani input whatsoever in the Samjauta case, the case is proceeding only on the basis of Indian investigations. If anyone has to be sentenced, they will be after Indian authorities prove their case in court.

Pakistan, on the other hand has done nothing with the 26/11 case inspite of evidence provided by India. Pakistan's plea is that India has not provided enough evidence in a case where the conspiracy was hatched inside Pakistan and further Pakistan deliberately & openly provokes when it tries stunts like these to protect a UN designated terrorist group.
 
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Key difference. No Indians went to another country & bombed or killed people. Also there is no Pakistani input whatsoever in the Samjauta case, the case is proceeding only on the basis of Indian investigations. If anyone has to be sentenced, they will be after Indian authorities prove their case in court.

Pakistan, on the other hand has done nothing with the 26/11 case inspite of evidence provided by India. Pakistan's plea is that India has not provided enough evidence in a case where the conspiracy was hatched inside Pakistan and further Pakistan deliberately & openly provokes when it tries stunts like these to protect a UN designated terrorist group.
61 Pakistani died in Shamjhota express.Col Prohet serving army officer was involved in this attack.Pakistan has legitimate concerns on Shamjhota express.First you arrests Muslims then you some Hindu terrorists came out and they accept the responsibility.Your govt trying to save RAW that's why no progress in this matter.Hang Col Prohet first then talk about Mumbai.:crazy::crazy:
 
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Its the same UNSC whose resolutions on J&K Pak takes to heart.

Now, when its not convenient it seeks evidence !!

This act alone should maybe foreclose Pak options of seeking follow up up on J&K ??
 
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61 Pakistani died in Shamjhota express.Col Prohet serving army officer was involved in this attack.Pakistan has legitimate concerns on Shamjhota express.First you arrests Muslims then you some Hindu terrorists came out and they accept the responsibility.Your govt trying to save RAW that's why no progress in this matter.Hang Col Prohet first then talk about Mumbai.:crazy::crazy:

You have very limited understanding of the case in question. Lt.Col. Purohit has not been charged with the Samjauta blasts, he does remain in jail on a different matter for which he was arrested. In any case, he was arrested by Indian police, maybe you should try & understand the significance of that act - a serving officer of the Indian army in Military Intelligence was just picked up & put in jail. That is the difference between India & Pakistan.
 
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Minister for States and Frontier Region retired Gen Abdul Qadir Baloch told the Senate that UNSC had in a resolution listed the JuD as LeT with a new name, but no supporting evidence had been shared with Pakistan to establish the connection. —APP/File
ISLAMABAD: The government has ruled out the possibility of proscribing Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) in the near future and says there is no evidence of the charity organisation having been formed in place of the outlawed Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).

Minister for States and Frontier Region retired Gen Abdul Qadir Baloch told the Senate on behalf of Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan during the question hour on Tuesday that the United Nations Security Council had in a resolution listed the JuD as LeT with a new name, but no supporting evidence had been shared with Pakistan to establish the connection.

He said the organisation had been under observation in terms of Section 11-D of the Anti-Terrorism Act since Nov 15, 2003 and the provinces had been asked to keep a watch on its activities. The JuD will be proscribed if a report confirming its involvement in terrorism is received under Section 11-B of the ATA.

Under Section 11-B, an organisation is proscribed if the federal government has reasons to believe that it is linked to terrorism. Under the law, the government can place an organisation under observation for six months if it is suspected of being involved in terrorist activities. The period can be extended only after providing the organisation an opportunity of being heard.

Mr Baloch said that at present the JuD was engaged in charity and social work, operating hospitals, clinics, schools, ambulance service and religious institutions, and its offices had been closed between 2008 and 2010. But finally it was given a relief by the Lahore High Court.

The minister said that Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation (FIF) had also been listed by the UNSC as a suspected charity having links with LeT, but did not say if it was also under observation.

He said two charities – Khuddam-ul-Islam and Jamaat-ul-Furqan – had been proscribed by the government for having been formed in place of the banned Jaish-i-Muhammad. He said Al-Akhtar Trust and Al-Rasheed Trust had been listed by the UNSC and Al-Rehmat Trust and Al-Anfaal Trust by the United States for their alleged links with Jaish-i-Muhammad.

Mr Baloch said an organisation proscribed under Section 11-B of the ATA 1997 was not allowed to carry out any activity, including charity work, under a different name.

In a written reply to a question, the interior ministry informed the Senate that two terrorist attacks on jails had been carried in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, one in 2012 and the other in 2013.

It said the subject of law and order had been devolved to the provinces under the 18th Amendment, but the federal government was assisting the provincial governments in their capacity and security efforts.

A comprehensive report on steps to strengthen security of jails in the provinces was also presented in the house.

According to the report, 173 army personnel and 208 Rangers had been deployed in Punjab jails and cellular jammers installed in 14 of them.

Adiyala jail in Rawalpindi has been declared as a high security prison under the Protection of Pakistan Act and security arrangements have been enhanced. High security prisons have been established by the Punjab government in Mianwali and Sahiwal.

According to the report, 980 personnel of the Sindh prison department have been trained by the army in weapon handling and firing. As many as 143 personnel of Rangers and FC have been deployed for jail security in Sindh. Central prisons in Karachi, Hyderabad, Sukkur and Larkana have been declared as high security jails.

The report says that 106 personnel of the army and 87 from “others” have been deployed in jails in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. The house was informed that mobile phone jammers had been installed in Haripur jail and high security Mardan prison.

Quetta cantonment prison and jails in Gilgit and Diamer have been declared high security prisons.

Published in Dawn, July 8th, 2015

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Nihari thani ho rahe ho ge. But honestly, did anyone expect the government to actually ban GUD? Come on and get real.
 
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Nihari thani ho rahe ho ge. But honestly, did anyone expect the government to actually ban GUD? Come on and get real.
You want JUD to be banned or not ? JUD future is not decided by governments it's decided by Rawalpindi.
 
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You want JUD to be banned or not ? JUD future is not decided by governments it's decided by Rawalpindi.

I am not in favour of banning JUD, why would i? And don't worry I know all too well that all roads lead to GHQ ultimately.
 
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I am not in favour of banning JUD, why would i? And don't worry I know all too well that all roads lead to GHQ ultimately.
You are a good man by the way share any news of any new weapons we are getting and what's your opinion on AK-12
 
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AK12 is a solid platform but I would rather Pakistan keep focusing on indigenous production capacity for small arms.
Is G3 has same firing speed as AK-47 or colt M4 or a little slow ?
 
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