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بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم
There are many ahadeeth which clearly proves the precious status of the saints and sages. Among those ahadith one hadith is been recorded in many books of ahadeeth. And that hadith is famously known as ‘Hadith of Abdaal’ or (Forty/40 abdaals). Let us read it first.
Hadith:
English Translation:

Shuraih – i.e., bin Ubaid said: The people of Syria were mentioned in the presence of Ali Bin Abi Talib (rd) when he was in Iraq. They said: Curse the, O Ameer al-Mu’mineen. He said: No; I heard the Messenger of Allah (sal allahu alehi wasalam) say: “The Abdal (Saints,sages, who are close to Allah) will be in Syria, and they will be forty men. Every time one of them dies, Allah wil replace him with another man. By virtue of them rain is sent and through them victory is achieved against the enemy and punishment is warded off from the people of Syria.”

This hadith is been recorded in :
Jamey ul Masaneed wal Sunnan by Hafidh ibne Kathir
Imam ahmed also recorded it in Musnad Ahmed
Tabrani, also recorded it along with many other imams






Now as you can see that they are saying that isnad is ‘Daief’ because its interrupted.

Here is Refutation to their Ignorance:

It is obligatory for Muslims to believe that the abdal or Substitute-saints exist — so called because, as the Prophet said (see #3 below),



“None of them dies except Allah substitutes another in his place” — and that they are among the religious leaders of the Community concerning whom there is no doubt among Muslims. No less than Ibn Taymiyya writes at the end of his `Aqida wasitiyya:

“The true adherents of Islam in its pristine purity are Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jamaa. In their ranks the truthful saints (siddiqin), the martyrs, and the righteous are to be found. Among them are the great men of guidance and illumination, of recorded integrity and celebrated virtue. The Substitutes (abdal) and the Imams of religion are to be found among them and the Muslims are in full accord concerning their guidance. These are the Victorious Group about whom the Prophet said: “A group within my Community manifestly continues to be in the truth. Neither those who oppose them nor those who abandon them can do them harm, from now on until the Day of Resurrection.” [Ibn Taymiyya, Aqida wasitiyya (Salafiyya edition) p. 36.]

The Prophet emphasized in many authentic narrations the benefits brought to all creation through the intercession of Allah’s saints and their standing with Him. Suyuti in his fatwa on the abdal in his Hawi li al-fatawi provided many examples of this type of universal intercession from which we quote the following:

1. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal says in his Musnad (1:112):

… The people of Syria were mentioned in front of Ali ibn Abi Talib while he was in Iraq, and they said: “Curse them, O Commander of the Believers.” He replied: “No, I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “The Substitutes (al-abdal) are in Syria and they are forty men, every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another in his place. By means of them Allah brings down the rain, gives (Muslims) victory over their enemies, and averts punishment from the people of Syria.” ” al-Haythami said: “The men in its chains are all those of the sahih except for Sharih ibn `Ubayd, and he is trustworthy (thiqa).”[That is: this is a sound (sahih) hadith.]

2. al-Hakim narrated the following which he graded sound (sahih), and al-Dhahabi confirmed him:

Ali said: “Do not curse the people of Syria, for among them are the Substitutes (al-abdal), but curse their injustice.”

Note that any religious knowledge unattainable through ijtihad and authentically conveyed from one of the Companions is considered a hadith by the experts of that science.

3. Tabarani said in his Mu`jam al-awsat:

Anas said that the Prophet said: “The earth will never lack forty men similar to the Friend of the Merciful [Prophet Ibrahim], and through them people receive rain and are given help. None of them dies except Allah substitutes another in his place.”

Qatada said: “We do not doubt that al-Hasan [al-Basri] is one of them.”

Ibn Hibban narrates it in al-Tarikh through Abu Hurayra as:

“The earth will never lack forty men similar to Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful, and through whom you are helped, receive your sustenance, and receive rain.”

4. Imam Ahmad also narrated in the Musnad (5:322):

The Prophet said: “The Substitutes in this Community are thirty like Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful. Every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another one in his place.”

Hakim Tirmidhi cites it in Nawadir al-usul and Ahmad’s student al-Khallal in his Karamat al-awliya’. Haythami said its men are those of the sahih except Abd al-Wahid who was declared trustworthy by al-Ijli and Abu Zara (as well as Yahya ibn Ma`in).

5. Abu Dawud through three different good chains in his Sunan (English #4273), Imam Ahmad in his Musnad (6:316), Ibn Abi Shayba in his Musannaf, Abu Ya`la, al-Hakim, and Bayhaqi narrated:

Umm Salama the wife of the Prophet said: “Disagreement will occur at the death of a Caliph and a man of the people of Madina will come forth flying to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him out against his will and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam. An expeditionary force will then be sent against him from Syria but will be swallowed up in the desert between Mecca and Madina, and when the people see that, the Substitutes (abdal) of Syria and the best people (asaba) of Iraq will come to him and swear allegiance to him…”

6. Imam Ahmad cited in Kitab al-zuhd, also Ibn Abi al-Dunya, Abu Nu`aym, Bayhaqi, and Ibn Asakir narrated from Julays:

Wahb ibn Munabbih said: I saw the Prophet in my sleep, so I said: “Ya Rasulallah, where are the Substitutes (budala) of your Community?” So he gestured with his hand towards Syria. I said: “Ya Rasulallah, aren’t there any in Iraq?” He said: “Yes, Muhammad ibn Wasi, Hassan ibn Abi Sinan, and Malik ibn Dinar, who walks among the people similarly to Abu Dharr in his time.”

Nawawi in Bustan al-`arifin (1985 ed. p. 31) mentions that the hadith master Hammad ibn Salama ibn Dinar (d. 167) was considered to be one of the abdal.

Conclusion:
From the above given evidence one can easily examine that this Hadith which usually (Wooblers) try to show as ‘Daif’, actually is Hassan hadith (Authentic-agreed upon). There is no space to declare it Daeef. As this is law of Hadith that when there are many authentic chains of narrations in proof of something and one hadith became daeef (Even though it is not even daieef) then because of the supportive evidences in other narrations, that hadith also gets the higher status of approval.

We hope this issue is resolved by this explanation.





Allah and His Apostle knows best!


 
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Sufi culture is native to Pakistan, most of us converted because of these righteous people. I respect them for that, people trying to turn Pakistan into a sad place where there is no culture but black burkas, no tvs, radios, girls education, women can't drive. If they really want that they can always go to Saudi Arabia. Pakistan has always had a very vibrant and colourful culture. Stop trying to change it to Arab culture.
Everyone is for tvs, radios, girls education, women should be able to drive.

Only in Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive. thats a cultural issue, not a religious issue.
 
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بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم
There are many ahadeeth which clearly proves the precious status of the saints and sages. Among those ahadith one hadith is been recorded in many books of ahadeeth. And that hadith is famously known as ‘Hadith of Abdaal’ or (Forty/40 abdaals). Let us read it first.
Hadith:
English Translation:

Shuraih – i.e., bin Ubaid said: The people of Syria were mentioned in the presence of Ali Bin Abi Talib (rd) when he was in Iraq. They said: Curse the, O Ameer al-Mu’mineen. He said: No; I heard the Messenger of Allah (sal allahu alehi wasalam) say: “The Abdal (Saints,sages, who are close to Allah) will be in Syria, and they will be forty men. Every time one of them dies, Allah wil replace him with another man. By virtue of them rain is sent and through them victory is achieved against the enemy and punishment is warded off from the people of Syria.”

This hadith is been recorded in :
Jamey ul Masaneed wal Sunnan by Hafidh ibne Kathir
Imam ahmed also recorded it in Musnad Ahmed
Tabrani, also recorded it along with many other imams






Now as you can see that they are saying that isnad is ‘Daief’ because its interrupted.

Here is Refutation to their Ignorance:

It is obligatory for Muslims to believe that the abdal or Substitute-saints exist — so called because, as the Prophet said (see #3 below),



“None of them dies except Allah substitutes another in his place” — and that they are among the religious leaders of the Community concerning whom there is no doubt among Muslims. No less than Ibn Taymiyya writes at the end of his `Aqida wasitiyya:

“The true adherents of Islam in its pristine purity are Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jamaa. In their ranks the truthful saints (siddiqin), the martyrs, and the righteous are to be found. Among them are the great men of guidance and illumination, of recorded integrity and celebrated virtue. The Substitutes (abdal) and the Imams of religion are to be found among them and the Muslims are in full accord concerning their guidance. These are the Victorious Group about whom the Prophet said: “A group within my Community manifestly continues to be in the truth. Neither those who oppose them nor those who abandon them can do them harm, from now on until the Day of Resurrection.” [Ibn Taymiyya, Aqida wasitiyya (Salafiyya edition) p. 36.]

The Prophet emphasized in many authentic narrations the benefits brought to all creation through the intercession of Allah’s saints and their standing with Him. Suyuti in his fatwa on the abdal in his Hawi li al-fatawi provided many examples of this type of universal intercession from which we quote the following:

1. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal says in his Musnad (1:112):

… The people of Syria were mentioned in front of Ali ibn Abi Talib while he was in Iraq, and they said: “Curse them, O Commander of the Believers.” He replied: “No, I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “The Substitutes (al-abdal) are in Syria and they are forty men, every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another in his place. By means of them Allah brings down the rain, gives (Muslims) victory over their enemies, and averts punishment from the people of Syria.” ” al-Haythami said: “The men in its chains are all those of the sahih except for Sharih ibn `Ubayd, and he is trustworthy (thiqa).”[That is: this is a sound (sahih) hadith.]

2. al-Hakim narrated the following which he graded sound (sahih), and al-Dhahabi confirmed him:

Ali said: “Do not curse the people of Syria, for among them are the Substitutes (al-abdal), but curse their injustice.”

Note that any religious knowledge unattainable through ijtihad and authentically conveyed from one of the Companions is considered a hadith by the experts of that science.

3. Tabarani said in his Mu`jam al-awsat:

Anas said that the Prophet said: “The earth will never lack forty men similar to the Friend of the Merciful [Prophet Ibrahim], and through them people receive rain and are given help. None of them dies except Allah substitutes another in his place.”

Qatada said: “We do not doubt that al-Hasan [al-Basri] is one of them.”

Ibn Hibban narrates it in al-Tarikh through Abu Hurayra as:

“The earth will never lack forty men similar to Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful, and through whom you are helped, receive your sustenance, and receive rain.”

4. Imam Ahmad also narrated in the Musnad (5:322):

The Prophet said: “The Substitutes in this Community are thirty like Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful. Every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another one in his place.”

Hakim Tirmidhi cites it in Nawadir al-usul and Ahmad’s student al-Khallal in his Karamat al-awliya’. Haythami said its men are those of the sahih except Abd al-Wahid who was declared trustworthy by al-Ijli and Abu Zara (as well as Yahya ibn Ma`in).

5. Abu Dawud through three different good chains in his Sunan (English #4273), Imam Ahmad in his Musnad (6:316), Ibn Abi Shayba in his Musannaf, Abu Ya`la, al-Hakim, and Bayhaqi narrated:

Umm Salama the wife of the Prophet said: “Disagreement will occur at the death of a Caliph and a man of the people of Madina will come forth flying to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him out against his will and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam. An expeditionary force will then be sent against him from Syria but will be swallowed up in the desert between Mecca and Madina, and when the people see that, the Substitutes (abdal) of Syria and the best people (asaba) of Iraq will come to him and swear allegiance to him…”

6. Imam Ahmad cited in Kitab al-zuhd, also Ibn Abi al-Dunya, Abu Nu`aym, Bayhaqi, and Ibn Asakir narrated from Julays:

Wahb ibn Munabbih said: I saw the Prophet in my sleep, so I said: “Ya Rasulallah, where are the Substitutes (budala) of your Community?” So he gestured with his hand towards Syria. I said: “Ya Rasulallah, aren’t there any in Iraq?” He said: “Yes, Muhammad ibn Wasi, Hassan ibn Abi Sinan, and Malik ibn Dinar, who walks among the people similarly to Abu Dharr in his time.”

Nawawi in Bustan al-`arifin (1985 ed. p. 31) mentions that the hadith master Hammad ibn Salama ibn Dinar (d. 167) was considered to be one of the abdal.

Conclusion:
From the above given evidence one can easily examine that this Hadith which usually (Wooblers) try to show as ‘Daif’, actually is Hassan hadith (Authentic-agreed upon). There is no space to declare it Daeef. As this is law of Hadith that when there are many authentic chains of narrations in proof of something and one hadith became daeef (Even though it is not even daieef) then because of the supportive evidences in other narrations, that hadith also gets the higher status of approval.

We hope this issue is resolved by this explanation.





Allah and His Apostle knows best!


 
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بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم
There are many ahadeeth which clearly proves the precious status of the saints and sages. Among those ahadith one hadith is been recorded in many books of ahadeeth. And that hadith is famously known as ‘Hadith of Abdaal’ or (Forty/40 abdaals). Let us read it first.
Hadith:
English Translation:

Shuraih – i.e., bin Ubaid said: The people of Syria were mentioned in the presence of Ali Bin Abi Talib (rd) when he was in Iraq. They said: Curse the, O Ameer al-Mu’mineen. He said: No; I heard the Messenger of Allah (sal allahu alehi wasalam) say: “The Abdal (Saints,sages, who are close to Allah) will be in Syria, and they will be forty men. Every time one of them dies, Allah wil replace him with another man. By virtue of them rain is sent and through them victory is achieved against the enemy and punishment is warded off from the people of Syria.”

This hadith is been recorded in :
Jamey ul Masaneed wal Sunnan by Hafidh ibne Kathir
Imam ahmed also recorded it in Musnad Ahmed
Tabrani, also recorded it along with many other imams






Now as you can see that they are saying that isnad is ‘Daief’ because its interrupted.

Here is Refutation to their Ignorance:

It is obligatory for Muslims to believe that the abdal or Substitute-saints exist — so called because, as the Prophet said (see #3 below),



“None of them dies except Allah substitutes another in his place” — and that they are among the religious leaders of the Community concerning whom there is no doubt among Muslims. No less than Ibn Taymiyya writes at the end of his `Aqida wasitiyya:

“The true adherents of Islam in its pristine purity are Ahl al-Sunnat wal-Jamaa. In their ranks the truthful saints (siddiqin), the martyrs, and the righteous are to be found. Among them are the great men of guidance and illumination, of recorded integrity and celebrated virtue. The Substitutes (abdal) and the Imams of religion are to be found among them and the Muslims are in full accord concerning their guidance. These are the Victorious Group about whom the Prophet said: “A group within my Community manifestly continues to be in the truth. Neither those who oppose them nor those who abandon them can do them harm, from now on until the Day of Resurrection.” [Ibn Taymiyya, Aqida wasitiyya (Salafiyya edition) p. 36.]

The Prophet emphasized in many authentic narrations the benefits brought to all creation through the intercession of Allah’s saints and their standing with Him. Suyuti in his fatwa on the abdal in his Hawi li al-fatawi provided many examples of this type of universal intercession from which we quote the following:

1. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal says in his Musnad (1:112):

… The people of Syria were mentioned in front of Ali ibn Abi Talib while he was in Iraq, and they said: “Curse them, O Commander of the Believers.” He replied: “No, I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “The Substitutes (al-abdal) are in Syria and they are forty men, every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another in his place. By means of them Allah brings down the rain, gives (Muslims) victory over their enemies, and averts punishment from the people of Syria.” ” al-Haythami said: “The men in its chains are all those of the sahih except for Sharih ibn `Ubayd, and he is trustworthy (thiqa).”[That is: this is a sound (sahih) hadith.]

2. al-Hakim narrated the following which he graded sound (sahih), and al-Dhahabi confirmed him:

Ali said: “Do not curse the people of Syria, for among them are the Substitutes (al-abdal), but curse their injustice.”

Note that any religious knowledge unattainable through ijtihad and authentically conveyed from one of the Companions is considered a hadith by the experts of that science.

3. Tabarani said in his Mu`jam al-awsat:

Anas said that the Prophet said: “The earth will never lack forty men similar to the Friend of the Merciful [Prophet Ibrahim], and through them people receive rain and are given help. None of them dies except Allah substitutes another in his place.”

Qatada said: “We do not doubt that al-Hasan [al-Basri] is one of them.”

Ibn Hibban narrates it in al-Tarikh through Abu Hurayra as:

“The earth will never lack forty men similar to Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful, and through whom you are helped, receive your sustenance, and receive rain.”

4. Imam Ahmad also narrated in the Musnad (5:322):

The Prophet said: “The Substitutes in this Community are thirty like Ibrahim the Friend of the Merciful. Every time one of them dies, Allah substitutes another one in his place.”

Hakim Tirmidhi cites it in Nawadir al-usul and Ahmad’s student al-Khallal in his Karamat al-awliya’. Haythami said its men are those of the sahih except Abd al-Wahid who was declared trustworthy by al-Ijli and Abu Zara (as well as Yahya ibn Ma`in).

5. Abu Dawud through three different good chains in his Sunan (English #4273), Imam Ahmad in his Musnad (6:316), Ibn Abi Shayba in his Musannaf, Abu Ya`la, al-Hakim, and Bayhaqi narrated:

Umm Salama the wife of the Prophet said: “Disagreement will occur at the death of a Caliph and a man of the people of Madina will come forth flying to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him out against his will and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam. An expeditionary force will then be sent against him from Syria but will be swallowed up in the desert between Mecca and Madina, and when the people see that, the Substitutes (abdal) of Syria and the best people (asaba) of Iraq will come to him and swear allegiance to him…”

6. Imam Ahmad cited in Kitab al-zuhd, also Ibn Abi al-Dunya, Abu Nu`aym, Bayhaqi, and Ibn Asakir narrated from Julays:

Wahb ibn Munabbih said: I saw the Prophet in my sleep, so I said: “Ya Rasulallah, where are the Substitutes (budala) of your Community?” So he gestured with his hand towards Syria. I said: “Ya Rasulallah, aren’t there any in Iraq?” He said: “Yes, Muhammad ibn Wasi, Hassan ibn Abi Sinan, and Malik ibn Dinar, who walks among the people similarly to Abu Dharr in his time.”

Nawawi in Bustan al-`arifin (1985 ed. p. 31) mentions that the hadith master Hammad ibn Salama ibn Dinar (d. 167) was considered to be one of the abdal.

Conclusion:
From the above given evidence one can easily examine that this Hadith which usually (Wooblers) try to show as ‘Daif’, actually is Hassan hadith (Authentic-agreed upon). There is no space to declare it Daeef. As this is law of Hadith that when there are many authentic chains of narrations in proof of something and one hadith became daeef (Even though it is not even daieef) then because of the supportive evidences in other narrations, that hadith also gets the higher status of approval.

We hope this issue is resolved by this explanation.





Allah and His Apostle knows best!

How do you know the Hadith is authentic? Where are the links?
Besides I never go to the internet for religious knowledge.
I go to literature and published Islamic books. Internet never says it right.
 
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You didn't answer my question.

Show me WHERE DOES IT SAY IN THE QUR'AN, DOES IT MENTION SUFISM AND SHRINE CULTURE?
Sufi practices are based on principles derived from philosophy and wisdom of the mystics, they have their roots in Quran and islamic traditions, works of Ibn Arabi, Rumi, Ibn-Sina even Ghazali was a Sufi. Its a huge topic and there could be some practices that don't have a basis but trying to object to a whole tradition of sufism and irfan which is much richer and denser than modernist wahabism is foolish, I think the practices of earliest followers of Ibn Taymiyyah were a lot more radical. Here is an example.

In'Al bidaaya wan nihaaya'Imam Ibn Katheer (student of Allama Ibn e Taymiyyah) narrates:

'When ibn taymiyah passed away, people sought permission to enter the room and they recited Quran next to ibn taymiyah before the ghusl. (end quote)
They sought barakah, their eyes were exalted with this beautiful vision and they started to kiss him to seek barakah. Then the men left and the women came and they did the same and then they left.
They drank the water from the ghusl of Allama ibn e taymiyyah (to gain Barakah from it).
 
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Is there sufism in the Qur'an and the hadith?

Sufism is just biddah or innovation.

Show me where in the Qur'an is there promotion of sufism.

There is none.

Is there sufism in the Sunnah?
Is blowing up places of worship in Quran and Hadeeth?
 
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Sufi practices are based on principles derived from philosophy and wisdom of the mystics, they have their roots in Quran and islamic traditions, works of Ibn Arabi, Rumi, Ibn-Sina even Ghazali was a Sufi. Its a huge topic and there could be some practices that don't have a basis but trying to object to a whole tradition of sufism and irfan which is much richer and denser than modernist wahabism is foolish, I think the practices of earliest followers of Ibn Taymiyyah were a lot more radical. Here is an example.

In'Al bidaaya wan nihaaya'Imam Ibn Katheer (student of Allama Ibn e Taymiyyah) narrates:

'When ibn taymiyah passed away, people sought permission to enter the room and they recited Quran next to ibn taymiyah before the ghusl. (end quote)
They sought barakah, their eyes were exalted with this beautiful vision and they started to kiss him to seek barakah. Then the men left and the women came and they did the same and then they left.
They drank the water from the ghusl of Allama ibn e taymiyyah (to gain Barakah from it).
Show me in the Qur'an where sufism is mentioned.

If not, there is no sufism in Islam. period.
 
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Abu Huraira Radi allaho anho reported Allah's Messenger (may peace he upon him) as saying: Many a person with disheveled hair and covered with dust is turned away from the doors (whereas he is held in such a high esteem by Allah) that if he were to adjure in the name of Allah (about anything) Allah would fulfil that.
Sahih Muslim Book 032, Number 6351:
 
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Is blowing up places of worship in Quran and Hadeeth?
Whats your point? You are taking things out of contect?

Does the Qur'an say to drive cars? Use common sense. Islam says to usevthe most advanced technology a person has.

Abu Huraira Radi allaho anho reported Allah's Messenger (may peace he upon him) as saying: Many a person with disheveled hair and covered with dust is turned away from the doors (whereas he is held in such a high esteem by Allah) that if he were to adjure in the name of Allah (about anything) Allah would fulfil that.
Sahih Muslim Book 032, Number 6351:
You certainly have a lot of say for a new member.
I'm not bothered to read your Hadiths till you give me links and sources.
Otherwise you are just wasting my and your time.
 
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You just called Pakistani establishment enemy of Islam. :lol:

So who finances them? Or these guys the good terrorist?


Civil government is not doing their job.
No group can survive without money. All of these groups should be on the watch list and civil agencies must check on their financiers. Agencies must investigate where they are getting their money, same goes for all the media groups and politicians.
 
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Whats your point? You are taking things out of contect?

Does the Qur'an say to drive cars? Use common sense. Islam says to usevthe most advanced technology a person has.
Use common sense. Shrines are part of Muslim history. If they are Biddah, so are cars and other inventions.
 
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Show me in the Qur'an where sufism is mentioned.

If not, there is no sufism in Islam. period.
If I can't show you Sufism in Quran then it must be wrong? I am not an Alim. I just wanted to show you that Wahabis drank the ghusal water of Tamiya, you are in no position to judge others.
 
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Agencies must investigate where they are getting their money, same goes for all the media groups and politicians.

So are these groups enemies of Islam or not? And why do the remain mostly untouched.
 
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