Fearless devotees perform dhamaal at Lal Shahbaz Qalandar

[jupiter2007]

Go settle in u.p or some salafist. He who cast an evil eye upon Sufi Shrines should better be 6 feet under the ground

spoken like a truly dumb person with IQ of Zero.
Sufism is great and we respect great saints of the past but what people are doing on these shrines are unIslamic.

 

[Rajput Warrior]

No you are ignorant.

You haven't been to Saudi Arabia.

Who do you trust? Who are the authorities on religion? Which Mullah or Shaykh do you go for religious knowledge.


Agreed with you.

There are good moulvis or mullahs as well. Why did he use a blanket statement?

Okay since you claim to be sunni.

Send lanat on tamihya,yazid,abdul wahab,wahabism,salafism, revere Sufi Saints,do khatam niaz,change your way of namaz etc.

And we will accept you a Pakistani sunni, deal?

 

[MultaniGuy]

What is sufism? First we have to define sufism. Dhamal, Bhangra, Dhool, Charse podri Malangs, these all things have nothing to do with sufism.

Define sufism?

You didn't answer my question.

Show me WHERE DOES IT SAY IN THE QUR'AN, DOES IT MENTION SUFISM AND SHRINE CULTURE?

 

[Rajput Warrior]

No you are ignorant.

You haven't been to Saudi Arabia.

Who do you trust? Who are the authorities on religion? Which Mullah or Shaykh do you go for religious knowledge.


Agreed with you.

There are good moulvis or mullahs as well. Why did he use a blanket statement?

Okay since you claim to be sunni.

Send lanat on tamihya,yazid,abdul wahab,wahabism,salafism, revere Sufi Saints,do khatam niaz,change your way of namaz,have a Murshid etc.

And we will accept you a Pakistani sunni, deal?

You didn't answer my question.

Show me WHERE DOES IT SAY IN THE QUR'AN, DOES IT MENTION SUFISM AND SHRINE CULTURE?

What is Sufism or Shrine culture? explain it to us.

 

[Kamran Abbasi]

@Rajput Warrior arey aise logon se behas na karo ye nahi manenge.

 

[Rajput Warrior]

@Rajput Warrior arey aise logon se behas na karo ye nahi manenge.

Sahi baat ki bhai.

 

[MultaniGuy]

@Rajput Warrior arey aise logon se behas na karo ye nahi manenge.

I can understand that Urdu.

He is not arguing with me, he is debating with me!

 

[Jaanbaz]

Sufism is great and we respect great saints of the past but what people are doing on these shrines are unIslamic.

So start doing suicide bombings on them right? With this mentality looks like we're going backwards during Mushy's time when all the media and molvis were justifying terrorist attacks because of war on terror.

Sufi's dancing does not hurt anyone, your Salafi brothers blowing the rest of Pakistanis does. Stop this mentality or it will devour Pakistan.

 

[Jaanbaz]

These stupid sufi shrines will go away with education, not with blowing them up.

I would hope the people who blow themselves would disappear first through education before the sufi shrines, if not the suicide bombers would find the next people who are not Muslims enough in their eyes.

 

[MultaniGuy]

So start doing suicide bombings on them right? With this mentality looks like we're going backwards during Mushy's time when all the media and molvis were justifying terrorist attacks because of war on terror.

Sufi's dancing does not hurt anyone, your Salafi brothers blowing the rest of Pakistanis does. Stop this mentality or it will devour Pakistan.

Everyone is against the murderers and the terrorist attacks.

If people want to be misguided you cannot help them. Retarded people going to pirs, sufi shrines, etc.

 

[Mutakalim]

Founding father of Wahabism and Salafism:
Sheikh-ul-Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) was of the opinion that Arabs ARE SUPERIOR (Afdal) than Non-Arabs and he claimed that this was the view that was held by the MAJORITY of the scholars – ‘Al-Jamhoor’- .

He wrote: “And the MAJORITY of scholars are of the opinion that the Arab species is better (Afdal) than the Non-Arab (species) just as the nation of Quraish is better (Afdal) than the Non-Qurai****e nations and (just as) the nation of Bani Haashim is better (Afdal) than the Non-Bani Haashim (nations).” Majm’u Al-Fataawa 19/29

Sheikh-ul-Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) wrote:

“Verily, what Ahlul Sunnah is upon: Is the BELIEF (I’tiqaad) that the Arab race is better (Afdal) then the Non-Arab race. Whether (the Non-Arabs) are Hebrews, Aramaic, Romans, Persians and other than them…”. Iqtidaa As-Siraatil-Mustaqeem 2/419


Shiekh-ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) said:

“Know that the Ahaadith (that show) the superiority of Quraish and then the superiority of Bani Haashim are numerous and this is not the place (to gather all of them) but they also prove this (superiority of the Arab over Non-Arabs).

And this is due to the fact that the relationship of Quraish to the Arabs is just like the relationship of the Arabs to the rest of the people (i.e. Qurai****es are superior to Non-Qurai****es and the Arabs are superior to Non-Arabs). Verily Allah the Most High has designated the Arabs and their language with ‘Ahkaam’ that are peculiar and unique.

And then He preferred Quraish over the rest of the Arabs in what He has given them of prophecy and other than that from the ‘Khasaais’ (unique and peculiar qualities)”. Iqtidaa As-Siraat-il-Mustaqeem 2/431


“…The superiority of the Arab race and then (the superiority of) Quraish and then (the superiority of) Bani Haashim, is not simply due to the fact the Prophet (peace be upon him) is from them – even though this is (a point) of superiority – but instead, they themselves are superior within themselves“. Iqtidaa As-Siraatil-Mustaqeem 2/420

Dear I want to rectify some misconceptions which arise from your post but I dont have enough time to elaborate further. At this time I just want to say one thing that "Its not necessary that everything said by Ibn e Taimiyah is wrong".

Every superiority stems from its relationship to the personality of Prophet. Prophet is the focal person. I will further elaborate my point if time permits me to do so.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Dear I want to rectify some misconceptions which arise from your post but I dont have enough time to elaborate further. At this time I just want to say one thing that "Its not necessary that everything said by Ibn e Taimiyah is wrong".

Every superiority stems from its relationship to the personality of Prophet. Prophet is the focal person. I will further elaborate my point if time permits me to do so.

To say an arab is superior to a nonarab goes against Islam.

In the Prophets last message, he said a white is not superior to a black and an arab is not superior to a nonarab except by piety and good action .

 

[Jaanbaz]

Everyone is against the murderers and the terrorist attacks.

If people want to be misguided you cannot help them. Retarded people going to pirs, sufi shrines, etc.

Sufi culture is native to Pakistan, most of us converted because of these righteous people. I respect them for that, people trying to turn Pakistan into a sad place where there is no culture but black burkas, no tvs, radios, girls education, women can't drive. If they really want that they can always go to Saudi Arabia. Pakistan has always had a very vibrant and colourful culture. Stop trying to change it to Arab culture.

 

[jupiter2007]

What is sufism? First we have to define sufism. Dhamal, Bhangra, Dhool, Charse podri Malangs, these all things have nothing to do with sufism.

Define sufism?

Sufism is practices all over the world

So start doing suicide bombings on them right? With this mentality looks like we're going backwards during Mushy's time when all the media and molvis were justifying terrorist attacks because of war on terror.

Sufi's dancing does not hurt anyone, your Salafi brothers blowing the rest of Pakistanis does. Stop this mentality or it will devour Pakistan.

There is no need for name calling and pointing fingers.
This is a time for us unite and end this menace from our society.
These terrorist groups don't represent any school of thought or Islamic ideology.
These are hired, these terrorists are who hiding under the umbrella of Islam should be eliminated.

A big majority of people in this forum don't understand global politics, please read in between the lines and you will understand. Islam and Muslim countries are under attack by so call Islamic (TTP, Daesh, ISIS and many under different names) groups who are supported, run and financed by enemies of Islam.

 

[Mutakalim]

Show me WHERE DOES IT SAY IN THE QUR'AN, DOES IT MENTION SUFISM AND SHRINE CULTURE?

What is your knowledge of Sufism kid. Can you define Sufism?