Fazlullah escapes to Afghanistan

[TaimiKhan]

Not at all few days back. here in Peshawar our entire journalist community know that they were facilited to **** to Afghanistan by US forces in Afghanistan, three days before the South Waziristan operation was started.

Yes something similar was also told to me by someone with inside knowledge about 2 weeks back. And i was told something at that time which came very true with the yesterday disclosure of the letter of Obama to zardari. The strategy which the person told me is becoming clear.

 

[HAIDER]

Fazloo going Gitmoo ?...Now its proven Most wanted Fazloo in Afghanistan....let's see how Afghan govt deny this....

 

[SSGPA1]

Fazlo is probably sipping tea with Amar Saad and RAW in Kabul. This is the opportunity on which each politicial party should jump on and raise hell and I mean serious hell.

Every single platform concerned with WOT should see our concern and understand the damage that is been done to our cause against the A/Q, TTP by elements in Afghanistan.

I am hoping that our ghairat key thekedars aka friendly opposition and the GoP will muster up courage and demand ISAF, NATO and Afghans to deliver Fazlo and Bugti and other scoundrels.

 

[waraich66]

I know the primary argument that will be made here is that 'NATO needs to do more'.

However, do also think about what Fazlullah finding sanctuary in Afghanistan means in the larger picture.

Who is giving him sanctuary and allowing him to plot and launch attacks from Afghanistan into Pakistan?

Some of the Afghan Taliban factions of course.

This is why some of us have argued that a sudden US withdrawal from Afghanistan, without stabilizing it, will have severe repercussions for Pakistan. The Afghan Taliban are ideologicaly identical to the Pakistani Taliban, and will end up supporting the Pakistani terrorists the same way they gave shelter to Al Qaeda and OBL who caused 911.

9/11 done by any US internal terrorist organisation not by OBL , it was proved by Hamid Gul retired ISI chief.Why US defence system and air force not activated???????

Actually US is responsible destablizing whole region , FATA and Afghanistan remained uncontrolled region due to its location and culture of local tribes.

There is other solution other then to involve them for peace and US withdrawl from area.

NATO and UK is also convinced that involvement of Talaban is only solution.

 

[iPhone]

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[iPhone]

Fazlo is probably sipping tea with Amar Saad and RAW in Kabul. This is the opportunity on which each politicial party should jump on and raise hell and I mean serious hell.

Every single platform concerned with WOT should see our concern and understand the damage that is been done to our cause against the A/Q, TTP by elements in Afghanistan.

I am hoping that our ghairat key thekedars aka friendly opposition and the GoP will muster up courage and demand ISAF, NATO and Afghans to deliver Fazlo and Bugti and other scoundrels.

naa, that's not gonna happen. Mardood is gonna be fine in Afghanistan..... for quiet some time.

 

[Solomon2]

He said that those claiming success for the Swat operation should try to prevent drone attacks and the US security firm Blackwater from operating in Pakistan.

What does this mean? That Blackwater and drone attacks are the things he blames for his retreat? Or is he pretending (now that he's left the country) to be concerned about Pakistani sovereignty?

 

[Solomon2]

9/11 done by any US internal terrorist organisation not by OBL ...US is responsible destablizing whole region -

I assume AM's conviction that he doesn't consider useful for Pakistanis to blame themselves when they can (even in the absence of proof) blame others is widely shared by many Pakistanis and thus I weigh your rant accordingly.

 

[Slides]

What does this mean? That Blackwater and drone attacks are the things he blames for his retreat? Or is he pretending (now that he's left the country) to be concerned about Pakistani sovereignty?

He's just trying to latch on to popular sentiments since he got kicked out of Swat.

 

[deathfromabove]

Yes something similar was also told to me by someone with inside knowledge about 2 weeks back. And i was told something at that time which came very true with the yesterday disclosure of the letter of Obama to zardari. The strategy which the person told me is becoming clear.

That is why I'm still surprised why our loyalties lie with US when they have been constantly back-stabbing us. US interests are couched as universal – interests that all nations must accept as their own, regardless if they coincide or not.
Oops, my bad, I forgot its democracy. Our US-sponsored democracy is clearly working against the very foundation of democracy they purport to protect. According to recent surveys by Al-Jazeera, 70% of people held America to be the greatest threat to the sovereignty and independence of Pakistan – even greater than arch-rival and eternal enemy India. A few other rate it even higher. So are they blind, that they don't see the rising anti-American sentiments in Pakistan. Its a farce not democracy.
Wherever the Americans go, their policies spread poison. Under the pretext of ‘freedom and democracy’ US policy-makers trample over weaker nations, placing and replacing puppet rulers on a whim and propagandising against all aspirations for true independence. (Stephen Kinzer’s Overthrown is a must book to read in this context).
More than eight years have passed and we still haven't decided our terms of engagement with US. Nor have we distinguished between freedom fighters and terrorists (TTP). Mujaheddin of yester years are now terrorists. Did we ever ask US to provide us the with the evidence on 9/11. Time and time again it has been proved that it was more of an inside job than external work by their very own. So what is the pretext of this mass genocide, certainly not freedom. Don't judge me wrong but before 9/11 things were much better. Ahh, I cherish those days.
According to recent study, more than 2,500 people in Pakistan have died in Pakistan cause of so-called War of Terror. My heart aches for each and every one them for they are the true soldiers.
All I can say is that those countries that fail to learn from history have their geography reduced. And, (Nauzobillah) we are about to meet the same fate after US if we don't act fast.

 

[Solomon2]

Our US-sponsored democracy is clearly working against the very foundation of democracy they purport to protect.

Then why don't you vote in a different government, one that would have nothing to do with the U.S. at all? Look at Iran, Cuba, North Korea, all of them call themselves republics and no one inside or outside the country accuses the U.S. of "sponsoring" or "working against the very foundation of democracy."

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Then why don't you vote in a different government, one that would have nothing to do with the U.S. at all? Look at Iran, Cuba, North Korea, all of them call themselves republics and no one inside or outside the country accuses the U.S. of "sponsoring" or "working against the very foundation of democracy."

We voted in a government - unfortunately, a very peculiar set of events, such as the US brokered rapprochement between Musharraf and the PPP resulting in the NRO that whitewashed the crimes of Zardari and many of his current advisers and ministers, the assassination of BB, and the claiming of the 'PPP throne' by Zardari (who initially promised to remain out of elected office or national office of any kind), and then his subsequent election by his party members and their allies in the National Assembly, and not the people of Pakistan, has resulted in a government that we are stuck with for the next 3.5 years or so.

 

[deathfromabove]

Look at Iran, Cuba, North Korea, all of them call themselves republics

I admire these countries for their courage and dignity. Other question has already been answered in another thread.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...8408-rotten-tree-democarcy-must-uprooted.html

 

[Vassnti]

9/11. Time and time again it has been proved that it was more of an inside job than external work by their very own. So what is the pretext of this mass genocide, certainly not freedom.

I have to wonder if you deliberatley raise this time and again because you some how failed to find 5years of Al-queda admitting to the attack or simply because it does not fit with your pro-taliban propoganda role?

October 29, 2004, 5:10pm EDT
BIN LADEN ADMITS 9/11 RESPONSIBILITY, WARNS OF MORE ATTACKS

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.


It was the first footage of bin Laden to appear in more than a year and came just days before voters head to the polls Tuesday after an extremely tight president race.

In the 18-minute tape, bin Laden, who appeared to be sitting or standing at a table against a neutral background, said: "Despite entering the fourth year after Sept. 11, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened."


Bin Laden said he thought of the method of attacking U.S. skyscrapers when he saw Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982.


"We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."


Although there was no way to authenticate the tape or say when it was made, it referenced the upcoming presidential election.


"Your security is not in the hands of (Democratic candidate John) Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, according to the Associated Press.


"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster. I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security.


"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. It is known that those who hate freedom do not have dignified souls, like those of the 19 blessed ones," he said, referring to the 19 hijackers.


"We fought you because we are free ... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security, we undermine yours."

An editor at Al-Jazeera said the network received the tape Friday but did not say how, Reuters reported.

Al-Qurashi then addresses the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Al-Qaida takes pride in that, on Sept. 11, it destroyed the elements of America's strategic defense, which the former U.S.S.R. and every other hostile state could not harm. These elements are: early warning, preventive strike and the principle of deterrence."

Watch the tape read the 500 sites that talk about it and please stop this bullshit about 9/11 being an inside job.

Online NewsHour Update: Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks -- October 29, 2004

Bin Laden lieutenant<br>admits to 9-11

 

[Vassnti]

A few questions for those that seem to think the US is providing a taxi service for the taliban.

One Pakistan has an airforce and radar why, if they are, is it possible for hellicopters to fly in and out of taliban areas with out Pakistan doing some thing about it?

Two this guy has been on the lamb for over two months why is it not possible if he is in Afghanistan that he just walked out?

Three just because the call is routed through Afghanistan doesnt mean the caller is there. Nothing would be better for Fazlullah than if the army thinks he is in Afghanistan so they stop looking for him.