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No, initial claim was that its all Iranian made.

it took u almost 19 minutes to come up with that? even if the components are imported the design is iranian, else be a good lad and show us a design similar to Fateh.

Fact, Iranian anti tank missiles are copy of Russian Konkurs and Kornet, Iranian anti ship missiles are copy of Chinese C704 and C802.

u said iran cant design missile, now dont go smartass on us, Sejil is an example of unique iranian design.

Sejil 1/2/3 | Missile ThreatAshoura, Ashura, Sajil, Sajjil | Missile Threat

moreover if iran can have access to cheap and effective chinese missiles why not? it doesnt mean that iran cant design missiles!
 
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it took u almost 19 minutes to come up with that? even if the components are imported the design is iranian, else be a good lad and show us a design similar to Fateh.
The most important about submarine is whats inside: engines, batteries, sonars etc. Also who made the project.

u said iran cant design missile, now dont go smartass on us, Sejil is an example of unique iranian design.

Sejil 1/2/3 | Missile ThreatAshoura, Ashura, Sajil, Sajjil | Missile Threat

moreover if iran can have access to cheap and effective chinese missiles why not? it doesnt mean that iran cant design missiles!
Satellites are launched with modified Shahab aka Rodong aka enlargened Scud.
 
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No need to bet. There is no similar submarine design found in North Korea or China, nor does Iran import submarine-parts from any country in the world. Even not from Russia for its Kilo-submarines.

But you ran upgrades on the Kilo on your own, right?

The question should be, will Iran need to procure more Kilo Class Submarines to secure its seabed, and territorial water?
 
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I can bet there is lots made in China and North Korea parts and design in that Fateh.
Yeah yeah you are right, will you show me a little bit of evidence?, you can't even find a similar design and North Korea doesn't produce subs this large.

How do u know there is no import? How do u know there were not used Chinese and N Korean specialists?

Iran cant design even simple thing like anti ship or anti tank missile by itself, what makes u think they can design a submarine?
Show me a north korean sub comparable to Fateh.

Iran can design AT and AshM missiles by itself but it is time consuming and we need weapons ASAP, the most clev
er and efficient way to develop cost effective weapons is by reverse engineering and modification, but even right now Iran is designing its own systems: Fotros, Shahed-129, Raad AA(which is not a copy of Buk), new Saba helicopter which is on the way, Besat sub, Fateh, Fateh-110 missile, Sejil, Qiam and etc are all Iranian designs.(don't worry new AT missiles are on the way)

In reverse engineering we have advanced very well and we are now producing Sayyad-2 which is based on SM-1 but not a copy of it.

All this said at least we are not like some parasites who are getting subs from Germany while they don't even pay much of its costs.
 
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The most important about submarine is whats inside: engines, batteries, sonars etc. Also who made the project.


Satellites are launched with modified Shahab aka Rodong aka enlargened Scud.

u still havent changed, arguing with u is pointless. when u dont want to listen to missile experts why should i waste time with u.

But you ran upgrades on the Kilo on your own, right?

The question should be, will Iran need to procure more Kilo Class Submarines to secure its seabed, and territorial water?

we personally would love to but russians refused to sell us kilo subs, actually they werent even willing to overhaul them! can u believe that? :O
iran doesn't build its military hardware because it wants to but because it needs to!
 
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u still havent changed, arguing with u is pointless. when u dont want to listen to missile experts why should i waste time with u.



we personally would love to but russians refused to sell us kilo subs, actually they werent even willing to overhaul them! can u believe that? :O
iran doesn't build its military hardware because it wants to but because it needs to!

I hard about the Iranian domestic overhaul program for the Kilo subs. It wasn't bad at all. The thing the Russians did in the S-300 talks, MiG-29s upgrades and the Kilo subs overhaul was so cheap .
 
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I hard about the Iranian domestic overhaul program for the Kilo subs. It wasn't bad at all. The thing the Russians did in the S-300 talks, MiG-29s upgrades and the Kilo subs overhaul was so cheap .

yep, bro u r right, but im sure u r well aware that in intl politic there is no such thing as brotherly relation, an enemy today might be the dearest friend tomorrow, politic works on basis of mutual interest, so i could understand why russia didnt respect its agreements with iran.

nonetheless dishonouring agreement (in our case many agreements) is not something we could forget either.
 
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The Fateh class submarine is 100% indigenous made by Iran.

No one should take away the credit from Iran's own hard work.

it took u almost 19 minutes to come up with that? even if the components are imported the design is iranian, else be a good lad and show us a design similar to Fateh.



u said iran cant design missile, now dont go smartass on us, Sejil is an example of unique iranian design.

Sejil 1/2/3 | Missile ThreatAshoura, Ashura, Sajil, Sajjil | Missile Threat

moreover if iran can have access to cheap and effective chinese missiles why not? it doesnt mean that iran cant design missiles!

Everyone did this, but once you have came out with the newly improved missile from the old missile, then it is not a copy anymore.
 
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On February 3rd Iranian TV broadcast a sneak peak at of their new Fateh class mini-subs. These appear to be the largest subs built by Iran so far and are still in development. The Fatehs are 500 ton boats that are 40 meters (130 feet) long. Boats this size are considered coastal subs. By way of comparison the most frequently used German sub during World War II (the 703 Type VIIs) were 769 tons and 67 meters (220 feet) long. The Type VII had a crew if 48, five torpedo tubes and 14 torpedoes. There was also an 88mm deck gun. The Type VIIs operated out in the mid-Atlantic and as far west as the East Coast of the United States and the Caribbean. The Fateh is meant to be a coastal sub and another German sub gives you a better idea of what the Fateh might be. A post-World War II German coastal sub, the Type 205, was similar in size to the Fateh. The Type 205s were designed in the early 1960s and were 450 ton, 44 meter (144 foot) long boats armed with eight torpedo tubes each loaded with a torpedo. There were no reloads. The 22 man crew had sufficient food and fuel on the boat to stay out for about four weeks. Unable to legally import military gear, Iran has adapted by manufacturing what it can, and that usually means older tech. So the Fateh will probably resemble the Type 205s in many ways.

The Fatehs are meant to be an extension of a growing family of Iranian mini-subs. In 2012 Iran completed its last (of 21) Ghadir class subs. The 120 ton Ghadirs were to have been succeeded by the 400 ton Nahang class. Alas, one Nahang entered service in 2006 and none followed. The Nahang seemed to spend most of its time in port, full of technicians, or in dry dock, partially disassembled. A successor to the Nahang, the 1,200 ton Qaaem has yet to be finished after seven years of effort. Moreover, the Qaaem, unlike the other Iranian built subs is not a mini-sub that can operate anywhere in the generally shallow Persian Gulf. For example, the three Russian built Kilo class subs Iran has are so big (2,300 tons) that they can only operate in about a third of the Persian Gulf. That makes them easier to find and destroy in the Gulf. That explains why Iran is increasingly sending its Kilos outside the Gulf and building more small boats.

The Faher appears to be the successor to the Ghadirs and apparently learned much from the failed Nahang class. The Ghadir is another example of Iranian resourcefulness in the face of embargoes. Since 1996, when Russia agreed to stop selling them submarines, Iran has been working on their own designs. After ten years of trial and error they produced the 120 ton Ghadir (Qadir) class vessels in 2005. The Iranians are not releasing specification sheets to anyone, but Ghadirs look very similar to the Italian Cosmos SX-506B submarines that Colombia has operated since the 1980s. The 100-ton SX-506Bs are only large enough to carry commandos and mines. However, released news footage shows what looks like to be two torpedo tubes on the Iranian Ghadirs. The Iranians claim that the Ghadirs carry torpedoes and have a crew of 18.

It should be remembered that Cosmos exported a number of larger vessels to Pakistan in the 1990s. Dubbed the SX-756 they may have been the design basis for the Ghadir. It should also be acknowledged that the North Korean Sang-O class submarine closely approximates the Ghadir type. In 2007, North Korea gave Iran, outright, four of its Yugo-type midget submarines. These Yugos were well worn 90-ton 21 meter (65 foot) craft but Iran accepted them all the same. Taking them apart taught the Iranians much about how to design and build mini-subs.

Iran took the big leap in the early 1990s, when they acquired three Kilo 877/636 type diesel electric submarines from Russia. The 2,300 ton Kilos are long range subs capable of operating throughout the Indian Ocean (from South Africa to Australia). The Kilos have six 533mm (21 inch) torpedo tubes and 18 torpedoes (including one or more Shkval rocket torpedo) or 24 mines. Very similar to the world-standard diesel submarine, the 1800-ton German Type 209, the Kilo is a formidable foe and can stay at sea for up to 45 days, which makes it capable of long range patrols.

All this Iranian submarine activity has spurred the U.S. to develop new tools and techniques for detecting small subs in shallow waters. The Americans have not released results of tests against NATO mini-subs. But that is to be expected. You save that kind of surprise for the first few days of a war.

Most of the submarines in service are diesel-electric and there are 39 nations operating a total of 400 diesel electric subs. Only three of these nations (China, Iran, North Korea) are likely to use their subs against the U.S. or its allies. China has fifty of these boats, Iran has three (plus 25 much smaller mini-subs) and North Korea has 20 (plus 50 much smaller mini-subs). So the U.S. has to worry about 150 diesel electric subs, half of them mini-subs. But about half of all these boats are elderly, obsolete, and noisy. That leaves about 70 subs that are a clear threat (though the older stuff can be a threat if you get sloppy). That’s a lot of subs, and they make the East Asian coast and the Persian Gulf dangerous places for American warships.
 
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Class overview
Builders: Marine Industries Organization
Operators: Islamic Republic of Iran Navy
Building: 1
Completed: 1
General characteristics
Displacement: 527 tons (surfaced)
593 tons (submerged)
Length: 48 meters[1]
Propulsion: Diesel-electric
Speed: 11 knots (20 km/h), surfaced;
14 knots (26 km/h), submerged
Range: 6,700 km at 8 knots, snorkeling
Endurance: 35 days
Armament: Torpedoes (4 Torpedo Tubes), Missiles, Sea mines

Fateh-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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A huge step for the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Remember that German Type 206 Submarine was the backbone of the German navy for decades because it could take on any kind of subs even the American ones, undetected, be it in shallow waters or the open seas. It was only 500-600 tons too.
Fateh submarine from what I recall from Iranian admirals is a very advanced and sophisticated submarine that runs on diesel-electric propulsion and fuel cells, it has 7 to 9 Sonars, advanced electro-optics, advanced navigation systems, secure communication and telecommunication systems and extremely silent. It will play a crucial role beside the Bessat submarine, an equally highly advanced and sophisticated submarine. They will fill in the gap between the Ghadir class and the Kilo class submarines.
 
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A huge step for the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Remember that German Type 206 Submarine was the backbone of the German navy for decades because it could take on any kind of subs even the American ones, undetected, be it in shallow waters or the open seas. It was only 500-600 tons too.

See earlier post ttp://defence.pk/threads/irans-fateh-class-submarine.298300/page-5#post-5222036

Those small German subs were designed for the Baltic, and rarely ventured in the North Sea or beyond (let alone the atlantic). The USNs nuclear boats rarely ventured into the Baltic. The above statement is false in the sense that yes ANY sub can take on any other kind of other sub and that the 206s went somehow undetected.

The traditional role of the Germany Navy has been to operate as part of NATO forces defending Northern Europe and focusing on the Baltic Sea in particular. Since Germany's sea lines of communication (SLOC) are chiefly located in littoral waters, its submarines were designed with the short range and low displacement necessary for coastal defense.
Germany Submarine Capabilities | Articles | NTI Analysis | NTI

The Type 206 is a class of diesel-electric submarines (U-boats) developed byHowaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW). Its design is based on the precedingType 205 submarine class. These small and agile submarines were built during the Cold War to operate in the shallow Baltic Sea and attack Warsaw Pactshipping if the war turned hot. The pressure hulls were built out of non-magneticsteel to counter the threat of magnetic naval mines and make detection withMAD sensors more difficult. The low emission profile allowed the submarines in exercises to intrude even into well protected opposing forces such as carrier formations with their screen.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_206_submarine

Good subs, just not ´wunderwaffen´.
 
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See earlier post ttp://defence.pk/threads/irans-fateh-class-submarine.298300/page-5#post-5222036

Those small German subs were designed for the Baltic, and rarely ventured in the North Sea or beyond (let alone the atlantic). The USNs nuclear boats rarely ventured into the Baltic. The above statement is false in the sense that yes ANY sub can take on any other kind of other sub and that the 206s went somehow undetected.


Germany Submarine Capabilities | Articles | NTI Analysis | NTI


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_206_submarine

Good subs, just not ´wunderwaffen´.




Hey Penguin, you should live up to your name and keep your hands off writing.
Please do your homework before saying anything. Here are the facts about the type 206 subs and they are true.

Several years ago broke through U24, a German U-boat - now obsolete - type 206 A, during an exercise in the Caribbean, the defense of the U.S. carrier "Enterprise" and the simulated firing of a torpedo fan. U.S. Admiral said to have been furious when he was shown the photos by the German periscope.

One other submarine of the same type should have circled a U.S. hunter-killer of the "Los Angeles" class in a short distance several times, without the Americans discovered it. Witnesses reported that the U.S. officers who were on board the German boat, were "beads of sweat on his forehead."
The records of the German submarine fleet (Google translated from German)


Here is another one:
American Admiral was in a frenzy

Several years ago, U24 – German submarine today is obsolete type 206 A – during exercises in the Caribbean has been
propeller polishing of ship able to overcome the defense system of the American aircraft carrier «Enterprise» and imitated launch torpedo fan. It is said that the American Admiral was beside himself when he was shown photographs taken through the German periscope.
Another boat of the same type allegedly repeatedly bypassed in close proximity American hunter class ” Los Angeles “, cleaning of sea chests in Ukraine and the Americans did not notice anything . Witnesses say that the American officers who were at that time on board a German submarine, “the lobby were beads of sweat .”
American Admiral was in a frenzy | Sea marine news for You

Or better yet:
USS Enterprise im Fadenkreuz von U 24 (Bundesmarine)
 
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Ah but the U.S. Navy has already addressed the issue of the submarine threat. And the results are very impressive. Will be implemented soon I hope. U.S. Navy wants it badly.
 
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