'Fake rape': Pak woman gets 40 lashes

[Adios Amigo]

What behaviour and laws you are talking about.. They are irrelevant if they are not supportive to help the victims and punish the culprits.
Change- is the need of the hour and law of nature and without that no-one can survive long..

the behaviour of people like you, what the hell you know about the victim and the culprits, did u follow the court proceedings,leave even that aside, did you read the complete courts order. i am sure not, but still you are happy to jump in stamp some one with victim and the other as culprits.
hudood laws are only muslim laws,changes can be done in man-made laws but not the hudood, and they are most supportive to victims and very bad for the culprits, so change may be the need of hour for other laws but not for hudood. and finally its better to avoid posting about something of which one does not have adequate knowledge.

 

[fhassan]

dear adeos amigo

The laws in pakistan are not perfect, the system as a whole is in dire state.

There are cases where raped women have been punished. I do not know the extent to which this occurs, however it is in the media quite often.

 

[Developereo]

I hope the court case consisted of something more reasonable than "provide four eye witnesses to prove you were raped"

 

[Awesome]

no other news source reporting this

 

[SMC]

For falsely accusing someone of rape, I think she should get the same punishment as someone would get for getting convicted of rape. Seems very fair to me. You falsely accuse someone of rape, you ruin their life forever and taint their name, they possibly face 30 years in prison or death depending on the country, and if they get out, they have no propsect of having a decent life. It's not just another one of those lies, no. It is big and brutal and has dire consequences.

Also, people might think rape accusations are rare. Think again. At least 50% of rape accusations are false in US. RADAR: About Half of Rape Allegations are False, Research Shows

 

[SMC]

Its shame that instead of giving justice to victim they convicted victim.. what a shame..
Its really harsh and stupid that in 21 century there still exists such kind of law. Now tell me, how a suffered woman can ever expect justice for herself.

What do you mean? You didn't read the article? It's a false rape allegation. You think all rape allegations are true and that a rape conviction should be handed out for each allegation?

 

[Jatt Boy]

Dont compare with US, big differance in ethical and moral values. Yes it's rare, potential to ruin life, career.

Also, people might think rape accusations are rare. Think again. At least 50% of rape accusations are false in US. RADAR: About Half of Rape Allegations are False, Research Shows

 

[SecularHumanist]

Wouldn't surprise me if she was raped and the victim got convicted. Pakistan has a long history of this with the hudood law. So many women have been convicted for zina even though they were raped.

What usually happens is that the woman is raped and reports the incident. However, it is not possible to provide 4 witnesses (how stupid and unreasonable is this requirement) so she is instead convicted for zina because she had intercourse. Thankfully Musharraf had introduced the women's protection bill. But the islamists have been calling for the old hudood law and I don't know if they went back to it?

As for those people who were defending the hudood law, could you explain the logic behind bringing 4 witnesses of the rape? That is like a bunch of sick perverts would have to stand there and watch the rape and then become witnesses. In the age of DNA tests people think the 4 witnesses law is better. Talk about Islamism


Hudood Ordinance:

The ordinance is most criticized for making it exceptionally difficult and dangerous to prove an allegation of rape. A woman alleging rape is required to provide four adult male witnesses of good standing of "the act of penetration". In practice this is virtually impossible as no man of good standing would stand there and watch the violent act. Failure to find such proof of the rape places the woman at risk of prosecution for accusing an innocent man of adultery, which does not require such strong evidence. Moreover, to prove rape the female victim has to admit that sexual intercourse had taken place. If the alleged offender, however, is acquitted for want of further evidence the woman now faces charges for either adultery, if she is married, or for fornication, if she is not married. According to a report by Pakistan National Commission on the Status of Women (NCSW) "an estimated 80% of women" in jail in 2003 were there as because "they had failed to prove rape charges and were consequently convicted of adultery."

Hudood Ordinance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[deep.ocean]

What do you mean? You didn't read the article? It's a false rape allegation. You think all rape allegations are true and that a rape conviction should be handed out for each allegation?

I don't know whether she lied or not..
What i feel that in presence of such a harsh law any woman can not make false allegations where she is aware of paying price for that..

And this law seems more Culprits friendly than victims..

 

[SMC]

Dont compare with US, big differance in ethical and moral values. Yes it's rare, potential to ruin life, career.

I think it happens much less often in Pakistan, but definitely there's no reason why it can't. It's probably not that rare either. Maybe 5%, 10%, or 20%. People in US thought it was rare. Turned out not be so. After the new laws that Musharraf made, there is bound to be an increase in false allegations.

 

[SMC]

I don't know whether she lied or not..
What i feel that in presence of such a harsh law any woman can not make false allegations where she is aware of paying price for that..

And this law seems more Culprits friendly than victims..

What do you mean in presence of such law a woman cannot false allegations? So what you're saying it we should make laws false allegation friendly? Where a woman who makes a false allegation should face no penalty.

It's not culprit friendly. You get convicted for rape, you face appropriate punishment. You get convicted for a false allegations, which mind you is just not another one of those allegations, you face punishment. I don't think the punishment she is getting is fair enough (assuming she is getting it since we don't know for sure because it's not reported elsewhere). She should face a minimum 15 years in jail. Why? I explained that in my first post in this topic.

 

[niaz]

According to my limited knowledge; for Hadd to be applied one must have 4 witnesses who can swear that they have seen rape being committed. Pray tell me, if a woman is abducted and taken to room with door shut; how on earth she can provide 4 eye witnesses of the event?

In modern times one can take DNA analysis/semen analysis or other tests such traces of the fabric from the attacker’s clothes to conclusively prove the rape actually took place. Alas not so according to the literal interpretation. This has caused tremendous injustice and in most cases attackers go free whereas the victims are punished.

A recent case was in Al Khober in Saudi Arabia where a girl took a lift with a boy she knew quite well. Later the same person along with 3 others gang raped her and deposited her on a street. The girl complained to the Sharia court. Naturally she could not produce 4 eyewitnesses only some of her friends who could vouch that she sat in the car. Wahabi Sharia court let the attacker go free but punished the poor girl with 100 lashes because medical examination proved that sexual intercourse had indeed take place and it was the girls fault in the first place as she agreed to sit in the car with a non-mehram male. The case I am quoting is not a fabrication as there was hue and cry in the interantional media for this obvious miscarriage of jusitice.
There was also a case in Pakistan where a mentally retarded girl was punished but the guilty again let off for the lack of 4 witnesses.

Can’t say for sure whether this particular woman is guilty or not? However, in Mideastern/Pakistan society, it is very hard for women to openly acknowledge that they have been a victim of rape unless it was true. In majority of cases every one including the family advise the victim to keep quite to avoid the shame that follows such an event being publicized; immaterial of the fact that it was woman’s’ fault or not.

Justice or Adl is the soul of Islam. Is this called justice???. As Muslim I am not against imposing Sharia Law. However I am dead against the Hudood Laws in their present forms as implemented in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. This is because of the literal application of the practices in the Arabian Peninsula during the 7th century AD being applied in today’s world by the ruthless mullahs. That is why I am against mullahs in general and against Wahabi and Deopbandi interpretation in particular. Besides there is no shortage of the people who are willing to swear false witness?

It appears that soul of the great and peaceful religion that our holy Prophet(PBUH) preached has gone and the bigots only care about the façade.

 

[SMC]

I don't think that law exists in Pakistan anymore. Something happened about this during Musharraf era.

 

[DbnReaper]

If the allegation is rape then DNA evidence should be introduced to prove or disprove the alleged rape. Obviously to prove the allegation by calling 4 eyewitnesses is impractical. Shariah law can still have its advantages if it incorporates modern technology. However the outdated and impractical idea of calling 4 eyewitnesses is something that should be done away with. Also the harsh punishment being meted out to complainants should also be done away with. After all in modern society the idea is not to hinder justice but to ensure that those who are wronged do not take the law into their own hands and instead turn to the courts for justice. Incidents like this alleged incident could cause family or tribal conflicts and can result in instability in civil society.

 

[Evil Flare]

Still no news in the Media



is this FAKE Report ??