Failed Attacks in UK!!!

[Samudra]

Thats what I call true propaganda...blame it all on Pakistan whithout sharing proof.

Are these attacks Petty Crimes to drag the rascals who planned the crime to court room, produce evidence and then prosecute ?

These are attacks planned at higher levels with complete support, atleast passive, from our neighbours. Providing any level of evidence exposes our sources, helps plan better attacks.

But you'll know better when the genie comes to get you. Come, it will.

 

[KashifAsrar]

Australia Charges Doctor With Aiding Terrorist Group

By RAYMOND BONNER
Published: July 14, 2007
LONDON, July 13 — The authorities in Australia have charged an Indian doctor there in connection with the recent failed bombings in London and Glasgow, according to his lawyer.

The Australian police arrested Dr. Mohammed Haneef on July 2 as he attempted to leave the country.
The doctor, Mohammed Haneef, has been charged with “intentionally providing resources” to a terrorist organization, which the authorities define as including two brothers, Dr. Sabeel Ahmed and Kafeel Ahmed, according to Mr. Haneef’s lawyer, Peter Russo, who spoke in a telephone interview from Brisbane. “Resources” refers to a SIM card, according to the charge sheet.

Mr. Ahmed was in the Jeep that was driven into the airport in Glasgow on June 30, and burst into flames. He is in critical condition in the hospital in Glasgow.

Dr. Ahmed was arrested in Liverpool on June 30, but has not been charged.

Dr. Haneef was detained by the Australian police after his SIM card was found in the possession of Sabeel Ahmed, according to an Australian police affidavit, which was provided to The New York Times. After being detained, Dr. Haneef voluntarily submitted to a six-hour taped interview. He said that he had given his SIM card to Dr. Ahmed one year ago, in July 2006, when he was leaving Britain, where he had been studying.

The charge does not name any terrorist organization, and does not say that Dr. Haneef knew he was giving his SIM card to any organization. He is charged with “being reckless as to whether the organization was a terrorist organization,” Mr. Russo said.

“It’s pretty distressing,” he added.

Dr. Haneef had been held without charges for 10 days. On Tuesday, the Australian police told the court they were going to seek an extension of the time that he could be held and questioned without charges. But on Friday, they withdrew the request, and Dr. Haneef had been expected to be released within 24 hours.

Dr. Haneef’s wife gave birth to a baby girl in late June, and Dr. Haneef was on his way home to Bangalore to see her when he was arrested at the Brisbane airport, his family said at the time.

He is due to appear in court on Saturday morning to answer the charge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/14/world/europe/14london.html

 

[Neo]

Australian govt halts Indian doctor’s release on bail ​

* Car bomb suspect pleads not guilty in London court

SYDNEY: The Australian government stopped an Indian doctor from being released on bail on terrorism charges linked to British car bombings by cancelling his visa on Monday and ordering him into an immigration detention centre.

Mohamed Haneef, 27, has been in custody since July 2 but was only charged on Saturday, sparking criticism by civil rights groups of his 12-day detention without charge. An Australian magistrate on Monday ordered Haneef be released on A$10,000 (US$8,700) bail, saying he had no known links to a terrorist organisation and that police were not alleging that his mobile phone SIM card had been used in relation to the British terror plot last month.

But within hours of Monday’s bail ruling, Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews said he had cancelled Haneef’s visa and ordered him placed in Sydney’s Villawood immigration detention centre. “ I reasonably suspect that he has or has had an association with persons engaged in criminal activity, criminal conduct, namely terrorism in the UK,” Andrews told a news conference in Canberra.

Andrews said Haneef, who worked at a hospital on Australia’s tourist Gold Coast city, had failed a “character test” and he had used his powers under migration law to cancel his visa. Australia’s immigration laws give the minister the power to cancel or stop a visa if a person fails a “character test” or is reasonably suspected of being involved in criminal conduct.

Australia’s main opposition Labor Party supported the government’s decision, but the Australian Greens said the move undermined the doctor’s chances of a fair trial. “The government has effectively declared Dr Haneef guilty before he even gets his day in court. Immigration detention is not meant to be a jail of last resort when the government does not like a court’s decision,” Greens Senator Kerry Nettle said.

Haneef’s wife called for the Indian government to help. “The charge is baseless,” Firdaus Arshiya told reporters in Bangalore. “The government has to help an Indian citizen being harassed by the Australian government. “If they had to cancel his visa, why didn’t they do it when they charged him on Friday. Somehow they want to detain my husband. My husband is innocent, the world knows it.” But Andrews said cancelling Haneef’s visa was unrelated to whether Haneef would receive a fair trial. Haneef’s case was adjourned to August 31.

Meanwhile, an Indian doctor suspected over the recent failed car bombings in Britain pleaded not guilty Monday after being charged over the weekend. Sabeel Ahmed, 26, was remanded in custody until August 13, after appearing at a preliminary hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates’ court on charges of withholding information on terrorism.

Ahmed was among eight suspects arrested in Britain and Australia over the failed attacks in London and Glasgow at the end of last month, three of whom have so have been released and three charged. agencies

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\07\17\story_17-7-2007_pg4_17

 

[Always Neutral]

Australian govt halts Indian doctor’s release on bail ​

* Car bomb suspect pleads not guilty in London court

SYDNEY: The Australian government stopped an Indian doctor from being released on bail on terrorism charges linked to British car bombings by cancelling his visa on Monday and ordering him into an immigration detention centre.

Mohamed Haneef, 27, has been in custody since July 2 but was only charged on Saturday, sparking criticism by civil rights groups of his 12-day detention without charge. An Australian magistrate on Monday ordered Haneef be released on A$10,000 (US$8,700) bail, saying he had no known links to a terrorist organisation and that police were not alleging that his mobile phone SIM card had been used in relation to the British terror plot last month.

But within hours of Monday’s bail ruling, Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews said he had cancelled Haneef’s visa and ordered him placed in Sydney’s Villawood immigration detention centre. “ I reasonably suspect that he has or has had an association with persons engaged in criminal activity, criminal conduct, namely terrorism in the UK,” Andrews told a news conference in Canberra.

Andrews said Haneef, who worked at a hospital on Australia’s tourist Gold Coast city, had failed a “character test” and he had used his powers under migration law to cancel his visa. Australia’s immigration laws give the minister the power to cancel or stop a visa if a person fails a “character test” or is reasonably suspected of being involved in criminal conduct.

Australia’s main opposition Labor Party supported the government’s decision, but the Australian Greens said the move undermined the doctor’s chances of a fair trial. “The government has effectively declared Dr Haneef guilty before he even gets his day in court. Immigration detention is not meant to be a jail of last resort when the government does not like a court’s decision,” Greens Senator Kerry Nettle said.

Haneef’s wife called for the Indian government to help. “The charge is baseless,” Firdaus Arshiya told reporters in Bangalore. “The government has to help an Indian citizen being harassed by the Australian government. “If they had to cancel his visa, why didn’t they do it when they charged him on Friday. Somehow they want to detain my husband. My husband is innocent, the world knows it.” But Andrews said cancelling Haneef’s visa was unrelated to whether Haneef would receive a fair trial. Haneef’s case was adjourned to August 31.

Meanwhile, an Indian doctor suspected over the recent failed car bombings in Britain pleaded not guilty Monday after being charged over the weekend. Sabeel Ahmed, 26, was remanded in custody until August 13, after appearing at a preliminary hearing at City of Westminster Magistrates’ court on charges of withholding information on terrorism.

Ahmed was among eight suspects arrested in Britain and Australia over the failed attacks in London and Glasgow at the end of last month, three of whom have so have been released and three charged. agencies

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\07\17\story_17-7-2007_pg4_17

Dear Neo,

No bail for him.

In one go he and his friends have killed the aspirations of 1000s of Doctors who want to practice in Europe. I really pity what their families are going thru. How can they let down their parents, wives and children like that ? Also all the innocent people they would have killed.

i wish they get excommunicated from being muslims. why muslims why not human beings ?

regrds

 

[Neo]

Dear Neo,

No bail for him.

In one go he and his friends have killed the aspirations of 1000s of Doctors who want to practice in Europe. I really pity what their families are going thru. How can they let down their parents, wives and children like that ? Also all the innocent people they would have killed.

i wish they get excommunicated from being muslims. why muslims why not human beings ?

regrds

A good post again A.N. I'm as worried about the future of thousands of doctors as other expats living in the west. I too wish we had a system like the one The Vatican has to excommunicate these radicals and rogue elements from the community, maybe a Board of Ullema that would officially declare the person to be a non muslim by his actions.

How long can we, the silent majority of moderates, pretend to be mute about the issue.

 

[joey]

India loses the plot

The Pioneer Edit Desk

Don't prejudge Glasgow inquiry

Kafeel Ahmed is in hospital, where he was brought severely burnt after a failed suicide-bombing attack on Glasgow Airport. His brother Sabeel Ahmed has been charged with assisting the terrorist plot and arrested. Their cousin, Mohammed Haneef, has been detained by Australian police for, most certainly, lending his SIM card to those who used it to make criminal phone-calls, and, possibly, not disclosing what he knew about the Glasgow conspiracy. All three are from Bangalore and, as phone and computer records now show, the Ahmed brothers planned the Glasgow assault at least partly in the capital of Karnataka. In recent years, Kafeel also organised radical meetings and conferences in Bangalore, raising Islamist slogans, and seeking an Indian Muslim intervention on such obscure issues as the situation in Chechnya. The Bangalore Police and Indian intelligence agencies knew nothing of this and the Ahmed brothers - and their cousin, though the degree of his complicity is not clear - were not on their radar. Today, they must be feeling very silly, as British and Australian investigators reveal what should have been old information. When asked for help, Indian agencies such as the CBI can only respond by telling Australian Federal Police to route the message through "proper channels" and be thorough with their paperwork. There is no pro-active determination or urgency; there is no difference for the Indian bureaucracy, it would appear, between a request for assistance in case of an act of terrorism or a banking swindle. Instead, a churlish 'Indian intelligence' has been planting stories in friendly media outlets, alleging it was "kept out of the loop", and insisting that Sabeel and Haneef were innocent and only Kafeel was guilty. No evidence is offered, no explanation is pronounced - how do Indian authorities know so much since the family was not even under surveillance till London and Canberra got in touch?

There is a strange nexus at work here - between a domestic intelligence that failed spectacularly, a political class in denial, and a Government living on large doses of political correctness. It began with the Prime Minister suggesting that the Indians arrested in the UK and Australia were probably victims of racial profiling. As matters turned more conclusive, the focus moved to Haneef and his likely release, with much prominence being given to his detention "only" because he gave his SIM card to his cousin. Is this the sole lead the Australians have? Do they suspect more? Given the nature of the crime, do Indians have a right to jump to conclusions? Of course, nobody has time for these questions.

Through the 1980s - when the Khalistan fire raged - and in the jihadi phase post-1990, India had one consistent complaint: The West did not take its terrorist problem seriously. When it pointed fingers at Pakistan and provided dossiers on training camps and funding, these were disbelieved. The burden of proof India was expected to offer was extraordinarily weighty. Its interlocutors had already made up their minds. Now consider what the Indian establishment's reaction has been to the Glasgow outrage. How would this country have responded if, for instance, terrorist Lal Singh's wife had been interviewed by a Canadian television channel shortly after the bombing of Air India's Kanishka in 1985, and had said, "Of course he is innocent. The Indian Government is stupid to suspect him."

A good post again A.N. I'm as worried about the future of thousands of doctors as other expats living in the west. I too wish we had a system like the one The Vatican has to excommunicate these radicals and rogue elements from the community, maybe a Board of Ullema that would officially declare the person to be a non muslim by his actions.

How long can we, the silent majority of moderates, pretend to be mute about the issue.

How can you change the ulema? Have you noticed normally outside Iran/Iraq secterian issues, Shias have never really contributed in any sort of terrorism, and even in India. There is a food for thought in this secterian strifes. Have you ever seen issues from followers of Ajmer Sharif?

India has the roots of fundamentalism quite deeply entrenched.

The Dar-ul-Uloom (Deodand school in Lucknow, UP) is a fundamentalist Sunni Wahabi sect. This is the sect that has Osama bin Laden as its follower and patron. This Dar-ul-Uloom does not call for armed uprising against the secular Indian Government, so long as most of its demands are met. However they do not shy away from using the minority card to meet their demands based on "victimhood". They are in bed with the Marxists. (and it is communism that killed millions of Muslims not even a decade back).

All Indian political parties pander to this sect of Dar-ul-Uloom. They want to get votes and the Saudi money to fund their election campaigns. the Student Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), who were involved in the 7/11 blasts in 2006, draw their inspiration from this Dar-ul-Uloom. The SIMI is associated with the Laskhar-e-Tayyiba and the Jasih-e-Muhammad, Hizb-ul-Mujahadeen not only because of the Kashmir issue, but with a broader goal to Islamize India and implement the Sharia law.

India is so indirectly a major of fundamentalists and terrorists. The guy who was caught in the 7/11 blasts in Mumbai in 2006 was a Unani doctor from Mumbai and came from a very well educated family - not the hungry and impoverished types.

This gentlemen khaleef or whatever is a patron of A sect called Tableeghi Jamaat which draws its influence from the Dar-ul-Uloom.

My question is how can ulemas declare the ideologue of these sects as problematic , wouldnt it create strife among the muslim world itself? It is kind of Like the recent comment pope made, Catholism is the only way to salvation.

Call me whatever The government of India stands to take the blame as well, Maoists are here for a reason, and they are being kept alive by the government as well, It is a effect of poor policy making and implementing right things on right time.

Flawyed Nehruvian Secularism which draws inspirations from acts such as Endowments act which is till implemented, is a sure way of anarchy unless beaureacracy inplements itself properly.

As Kalam says 'Judiciary is the pillars of this country till now, The legislature needs to understand many things before putting more pressure on judiciary'.

The very reason Today Pakistan problems are happening because of leadership (loko at south korea) , the very reason India is facing such issues is of inept leadership.

Truly Subcontinent lacks Proper leadership.

 

[Bull]

How long can we, the silent majority of moderates, pretend to be mute about the issue.

This line, frame it and have it in your bedroom, everyday you get up you have to be taunted by this line.

 

[Bull]

Haneef terrorism charges dropped

Dr Haneef's lawyers say they will fight any attempt to deport him
Australian prosecutors have dropped terror charges against an Indian doctor over the failed bomb attacks in the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6918569.stm