Factors Affecting India Pakistan Relations

[Hussein]

Agree with point 1 but not with point two. You can give one example of disrespecting muslims and chrisitans in India and in return I can give you thousands of example of unity between different casts in India, but don't want to waste my time because you think that this is propaganda. And you can't argue with me on this because i have spent 23 years of my life in India. Problem of living together is only in minds of few stupid politicians and Media (not all media).

It's all about perspective. Even stupid people think that they are smart.

It is so easy to insult people to lie to ourselves when "we" are just insulting another nation which is Pakistan and "we" don't want to see our own problems.
About myself i have a thesis of physics . I don't care about someone like you insulting me saying i am stupid. It's not going to change my life

I said this based on friends from India i have: one christian, no muslim. thye criticize honestly the stick to the poverty.
someone said i am a kid. right then when when i read the books of gurcharan Das, who is saying about these problems... i appreciate very much his books. but maybe he is a liar ?

i was speaking about propaganda because some of you, i didn't say you, are using very evident hatred against Pakistan and showing everything is perfect in India. In Iran it 's the hell . I am not afraid to be honest about my country. In France there are many problems especially economy now. Most people know it. It is important to be honest to ourselves as said a famous french writer here, jean paul sartre.

have a nice day

 

[Atheist]

Lol - India has a lot of problems - People know that, Politicians know ...the media knows that - but the point is every country has it's own problems ... What we are worried is the problems created by our Neighbours by the so called Jihad...and most Pakistani's who still believe that India is behind all the attacks in their country...should feel sorry for them

Either India has balls to screw up the whole Pakistani nation every now and then and Pakistan does not have the guts to talk to the world regarding this as no one would believe them or there is no sufficient evidence

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There is a real problem and Pakistani people have to wake up and stand united against extremism let it be TTP or LeT or even Taliban in Afghanistan

 

[Spring Onion]

. What we are worried is the problems created by our Neighbours by the so called Jihad...and most Pakistani's who still believe that India is behind all the attacks in their country...should feel sorry for them

If India did not start State Terrorism in Held Kashmir then there would not have been any LeT or any other freedom fighting group.

Either India has balls to screw up the whole Pakistani nation every now and then and Pakistan does not have the guts to talk to the world regarding this as no one would believe them or there is no sufficient evidence

oh so Indians do screwing by using their balls. ahhh thats why you get screwed up every time and run crying to the world.
Mumbai was one such screw


I doubt if you had the ability to even screw your own insurgencies within India.

 

[Atheist]

If India did not start State Terrorism in Held Kashmir then there would not have been any LeT or any other freedom fighting group.

Maybe your history is weak...

oh so Indians do screwing by using their balls. ahhh thats why you get screwed up every time and run crying to the world.
Mumbai was one such screw
I doubt if you had the ability to even screw your own insurgencies within India.

Next time come up with a better reasoning - I never said India was not troubled by decisive forces... i only commented on the fact that Pakistani people need to wake up from the Anti America Israel India rhetoric - rather put more effort into educating people regarding the threats posted by extremists....No you guys will never do that... Only to satisfy your alter ego you bash India simply forgetting the fact that these extremists will some day screw up our lives

 

[FireFighter]

Ejaz007 you have a very simplistic view of factors affecting India-Pakistan.

From the Indian point of view

1. Conflict of Idealogy - Pakistan is a Islamic Republic , India is a Secular Democratic Country ( Rather problem is pakistan has been or controlled by military and is a major institution - India on the other hand is a democratic country)

2. Kashmir ( It's under the illegal occupation of Pakistan and china ( Aksai Chin area gifted by pakistan))

That's another lie. India lost that territory during the war of 1962 when Indian army was totally shattered by the Chinese mililtary. Since the Indian govn't couldn't muster up the courage to swallow the defeat that was handed to them by the Chinese on a platter, It went on spreading disinformation about Pak giving Aksai Chin to China. Very funny!!

Why does the Indian govn't prepetually feed the Indian populace lies and disinformation? and how can you blindly accept it? it's rather a mockery of ones intelligence to blindly accept things at face value

 

[EjazR]

He probably mixed up Aksai Chin with the Karakoram Tract or Shkasam valley an area of 5,800 km² that was given by the GoP to China. This is a fact.Source

The Aksai Chin was taken away by China in 1962. The pre-1947 Jammu and Kashmir includes this parts that are illegally occupied by China which under to for of resolution can ever be a entitled to hold these territories.

 

[EjazR]

That is our internal matter. And the thinking which you showed in your above para is one of the biggest factors affecting Indo-Pak relations

Ofcourse its your internal matter, only the people of Pakistan can decide what they want. But I was pointing out a fact that the "ideology" of Pakistan concept being the two nation theory was not there before the Zia era. I can give you more details on this but it will derail the topic.

Kashmir is the core of all tension between Pakistan and India. Kashmir is not part of India hence there is no question of terrorism in India viz viz Kashmir.

3. India is funding terrorsim in Balochistan province of Pakistan and also shelttering the terrorists from BLA and TTP.

It is an important problem but supporting terrorist activities is not the solution of this problem. I'm sure the average Pakistani is against attacks in India. India has made mistakes in Kashmir particularly in the intial period between 1988-94. There were secular indigeneous militant movements like JKLF which were fighting for Independace of the entire J&K region. But all these groups gave up violence and do not indulge in any terrorist activites and pose a threat to the local population now.

It is the "Jihadi" groups like LeT HUJI and Hizb under the loose banner of United Jihad Council at Muzaffarabad who are responsible for most of the terrorist activities now. This had been shutdown by Musharraf around 2005-2006 but since have opened offices again and are back to issuing press statements. This has to be stopped if we want demilitarisation and move forward to resolve Kashmir.

And it goes without saying that this applies to India also and it should not support any terrorist activities by BLA or TTP and killing of civilians if indeed it is doing so which many people not just Indians are skeptical about.

 

[MilesTogo]

I thouht Pakistan has declared LeT as a terrorist organization and banned it. Is there a change in that stand?

If India did not start State Terrorism in Held Kashmir then there would not have been any LeT or any other freedom fighting group.




oh so Indians do screwing by using their balls. ahhh thats why you get screwed up every time and run crying to the world.
Mumbai was one such screw


I doubt if you had the ability to even screw your own insurgencies within India.

 

[FireFighter]

He probably mixed up Aksai Chin with the Karakoram Tract or Shkasam valley an area of 5,800 km² that was given by the GoP to China. This is a fact.Source

The Aksai Chin was taken away by China in 1962. The pre-1947 Jammu and Kashmir includes this parts that are illegally occupied by China which under to for of resolution can ever be a entitled to hold these territories.

This is not the first nor the last time I heard Indians falsely accuse Pak for their failures and defeat in Indo-Chinese 1962 war.

At least have the courage to accept your defeats. Delusional folks. No wonder they never question their failures or defeats, rather accuse Pak for

It is an important problem but supporting terrorist activities is not the solution of this problem. I'm sure the average Pakistani is against attacks in India. India has made mistakes in Kashmir particularly in the intial period between 1988-94.

India has been making gregarious mistakes since 1947 when it decided to massacre Muslim migrants on their way to Pakistan.

There were secular indigeneous militant movements like JKLF which were fighting for Independace of the entire J&K region. But all these groups gave up violence and do not indulge in any terrorist activites and pose a threat to the local population now.

That's another lie and propaganda fed to you by Indian Govn't and media. Even according to the Indian Stooge in Kashmir, Abdullah, states that there thousands of indigenious freedom fighters in Jammu. Foreigners account for only 30%

You most of the Kashmiris gave up violence and their political rights for nothing? I mean, without any resistance?

India's state sponsored terrorism done throughly Military massacred Kashmiri Muslims in broad day light in the eighties that targeted political parties, protesters, and brutally oppressed them. Nearly 60,000 civilians were ruthlessly massacred in the uprisings of 80s and 90s. How can you deny this?

 

[arihant]

This is not the first nor the last time I heard Indians falsely accuse Pak for their failures and defeat in Indo-Chinese 1962 war.

At least have the courage to accept your defeats. Delusional folks. No wonder they never question their failures or defeats, rather accuse Pak for

Who is denying defeat in 1962. Let me again shout. "We got defeated in 1962 by China". It should clear that Indians know they got defeated in 1962. Now it turns you. Do you accept defeat in 1965, 1971, 1984 and the latest version 1999.

India has been making gregarious mistakes since 1947 when it decided to massacre Muslim migrants on their way to Pakistan.

It was mistake by pakistanis who decided to kill out hindus and sikhs on their way to India from Pakistan. You look brainwash. Don't you know equal no. of people where killed in riots. Rather than condemning the riots you are blaming others.

That's another lie and propaganda fed to you by Indian Govn't and media. Even according to the Indian Stooge in Kashmir, Abdullah, states that there thousands of indigenious freedom fighters in Jammu. Foreigners account for only 30%

You most of the Kashmiris gave up violence and their political rights for nothing? I mean, without any resistance?

India's state sponsored terrorism done throughly Military massacred Kashmiri Muslims in broad day light in the eighties that targeted political parties, protesters, and brutally oppressed them. Nearly 60,000 civilians were ruthlessly massacred in the uprisings of 80s and 90s. How can you deny this?

The death chart is correct but it was by Terrorist sponsered by ISI and Pakistan. Don't you know LeT, JeM. I don't know how much brainwash you are. You are talking about independent Kashmir while UN Resolution doesn't allow that.

 

[Hari]

I have written an article on the above subject. I would like to have opinion from fellow members about the article. Since it is a long article I am only posting the link:

Factors Affecting India-Pakistan Relations - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Please do not change this into a bashing contest and provide me with feedback.

Mr Ejaz you might have now got the factors affecting Indo-Pak relationship, after reading all the post in this thread

 

[ejaz007]

Mr Ejaz you might have now got the factors affecting Indo-Pak relationship, after reading all the post in this thread

Yes I now understand the factors affecting India-Pakistan relations. I am thinking of revising my article and adding Defence.pk as one of the major factors affecting our relations.

 

[arihant]

Yes I now understand the factors affecting India-Pakistan relations. I am thinking of revising my article and adding Defence.pk as one of the major factors affecting our relations.

You should add Indian Sentiments too.

 

[ejaz007]

You should add Indian Sentiments too.

Articles are never written keeping in mind some ones sentiments. Articles should always be written from neutral point of view otherwise these are biased.

I have not presented Pakistan's case. I have just written what I believe affects the two countries relations.

 

[arihant]

Articles are never written keeping in mind some ones sentiments. Articles should always be written from neutral point of view otherwise these are biased.

I have not presented Pakistan's case. I have just written what I believe affects the two countries relations.

What I mean from sentiment was view point from Indians. You just build article learning from Pakistan sources. That is called brainwashed.