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Pakistan is a racially diverse country with a range of of skin colors and facial features. There are people of European descent in its northern areas like the Kalash along with the Sheedi or Makrani people of African descent in parts of the south along the Arabian Sea coastal line.

Many Pakistanis of Chitral, Hunza, Gilgit and Nagir have long claimed descent from the Greek and the Macedonian invaders who were led into India by Alexander in 327 B.C. Among them are the Kalash people who live in Chitral, Pakistan.

Kalash Genes:


Kalash Girls in Chitral Valley
Last year, a genetic study reported in The New York Times found that the Kalash people's DNA seems to indicate that they had an infusion of European blood during a "mixing event" at roughly the time of Alexander's conquests in 4th century B.C. This isolated people are thus most likely the direct descendants of the ancient Greek-Macedonian armies who came to this region 2,300 years ago.

The study was published in February 2014 in the journal Science by a team led by Simon Myers of Oxford University, Garrett Hellenthal of University College London and Daniel Falush of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany.

A 2013 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics has found that vast majority of Indians today have descended from a mixture of two genetically divergent populations--Ancestral North Indians (ANIs) who migrated from Central Asia, the Middle East, the Caucasus, and Europe, and Ancestral South Indians (ASI), who are not closely related to groups outside the subcontinent.

Sheedis of Sindh and Balochistan:

Sheedis are thought to be the descendants of African slaves brought to the shores of Pakistan at the height of the international slave trade that started in the 7th century and continued into the 18th century.


Sheedi Makrani in Karachi
Also known as Siddis in other parts of South Asia, they are believed to have arrived in India in 628 AD at the Bharuch port. Several others followed with the first Arab invasions of Sindh in 712 AD. The latter group are believed to have been soldiers with Muhammad bin Qasim's Arab army, and were called Zanjis. Siddis are related to the Bantu peoples of Southeast Africa. They were brought to the Indian subcontinent as slaves by the Portuguese.

The Sheedis of Pakistan, also known as Makranis, live primarily along the Makran Coast in Balochistan, and southern part of Sindh. In Karachi, they are mainly concentrated in Lyari. Pir Mangho is revered by Sheedis as their patron saint. Sheedis have an annual celebration in Manghopir area around the shrine of their patron saint.

Chitral Valley:

A 10,000 ft high mountain pass and big glaciers separate the scenic Chitral valley, the home of the Kalash, from the Swat Valley that was hit by the Taliban insurgency in 2009. It has so far served to insulate these pagan people from the rising tide of intolerance and religious militancy in the Islamic Republic.


Young Kalash

A CNN story calling the Kalsh "the happiest people in Pakistan" succinctly captured their lives in the following sentence: "Year round, the Kalasha dance their way through a stream of festivals and rituals, and socially and culturally, theirs appears to be a joyful existence".

Greeks and Macedonians of Pakistan - PakAlumni Worldwide: The Global Social Network
 
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How One #Pakistan Town in #Sindh Mastered Religious Tolerance How One Pakistani Town Mastered Religious Tolerance | Hassan Raza via HuffPost Religion

"IN February this year, I happened to travel to Tharparkar with friends to view the drought-affected areas and launch some projects to overcome the disaster that hits every year. After a 20-hour arduous road and rail journey, I finally reached the quaint little town of Mithi, and here I experienced what I had never expected to see in a Pakistani town.

Mithi is as sweet as the name it has been given. Approximately 80 percent of the population here is Hindu. It is a town where Muslims, out of respect for Hindus, do not slaughter cows; and where Hindus, out of respect for Muslim rites, have never organised any marriage ceremonies or celebrations during the month of Muharram.

Not only that, the Hindus of Mithi also happily participate in providing food and drinks for Muslims during Ramazan, and both groups exchange sweets on Eid and Diwali. The crime rate in Mithi is at two percent and never has anyone witnessed any incident of religious intolerance.

Speaking with the locals of Mithi, I discovered that here, one could find Hindu speakers organising majaalis in Muharram -- something I haven't seen anywhere else in Pakistan -- and as my friend in the United States had stated, I heard Hindus sharing their account of Muharram, where they led Ashura processions and provided assistance to procession members in a city where Muslims hardly made up 20 percent of the population.
Pakistan has become synonymous with terrorism. On most local and international news channels, we hear about minorities getting slaughtered at the hands of extremists; attacks on temples, churches, imambargahs; or the forced conversions of Hindus and Christians in the country.

I reckon you might be pleasantly surprised to know that there is a small town in Tharparkar, a district of the Sindh province where none of this is happening.

Mithi is one of the few towns in Pakistan where Muslims do not form the majority. In this quiet portion of a sprawling desert, both Hindus and Muslims have lived together like brothers since the creation of Pakistan.

In November 2014, when I was selected for a three-week fellowship program in the United States, I met a gentleman from Sindh who was also among my batch. He introduced himself like this:

"I am a Hindu from Sindh, but throughout my life I have lived with Muslims and this is why during Ramazan, we fast along with them; and when it is Muharram, us Hindu boys lead the procession because this is the culture which Sufism has given us."

I was dumbstruck at the idea of a Hindu fasting in Ramazan or leading a Muharram procession. Was this actually true?"

#Pakistan village of Rasoolpur: 100% literacy, no crime, very clean Haq's Musings: Rasoolpur: A Model Village in Pakistan With 100% Literacy and No Crimes

Pakistan's sensational media coverage projects only the dark side of the country with a constant stream of news stories of militancy, illiteracy and deprivation. But BBC Urdu took a road less traveled and found a small village of Rasoolpur in the Punjab which demolishes some of the worst stereotypes of the country.

Here's how BBC describes it:
دور دراز علاقوں سے ایک تو خبر ہی مشکل سے آتی ہے۔آتی بھی ہے تو اکثر بری خبر ہی ہوتي ہے۔ شايد سی لیے رسول پور جیسے گاؤں، 99 فیصد شرح خواندگی اور زیرو جرائم کا ریکارڈ رکھنے کے باوجود سنسنسی زدہ میڈیا کے لیے خبر کا درجہ نہیں رکھتے۔۔
Translation: News from remote areas of Pakistan does not easily reach the urban press but when it does, any good news like 100% literacy and zero crime in Rasoolpur village is discarded by the sensational media as not newsworthy.

Rasoolpur is a village with a population of just 2000. Most of its residents are ethnic Baloch whose ancestors migrated from Pakistan's Balochistan province to Southern Punjab. It is located in Rajanpur district in the Seraiki speaking region. Its literacy rate is near 100%. The United Nations defines literacy as the ability to sign one's name. But Rasoolpuris hold themselves to a much higher standard; they have all their children finish high school.

There are no children out of school. It is crime-free. It is clean. There are two high schools, one for the girls and other for the boys. Haq's Musings: Rasoolpur: A Model Village in Pakistan With 100% Literacy and No Crimes
 
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Pakistan is a racially diverse country with a range of of skin colors and facial features. There are people of European descent in its northern areas like the Kalash along with the Sheedi or Makrani people of African descent in parts of the south along the Arabian Sea coastal line.

Many Pakistanis of Chitral, Hunza, Gilgit and Nagir have long claimed descent from the Greek and the Macedonian invaders who were led into India by Alexander in 327 B.C. Among them are the Kalash people who live in Chitral, Pakistan.

Kalash Genes:


Kalash Girls in Chitral Valley
Last year, a genetic study reported in The New York Times found that the Kalash people's DNA seems to indicate that they had an infusion of European blood during a "mixing event" at roughly the time of Alexander's conquests in 4th century B.C. This isolated people are thus most likely the direct descendants of the ancient Greek-Macedonian armies who came to this region 2,300 years ago.

Nonsense. Genetically they are very distant from Greeks. From an evolutionary PoV, a mere 2400 years of separation cannot explain the difference. These guys are one of the ancient Central Asian tribes migrating to South Asia and got isolated from the rest, maybe because of geographical barriers between themselves and other tribes (who were not necessarily very friendly and the isolation might have been to their advantage).
 
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There are people of European descent in its northern areas like the Kalash along with the Sheedi or Makrani people of African descent in parts of the south along the Arabian Sea coastal li
The author is bluffing!!!!
Genetics studies in the region have claimed otherwise, the European contribution to Subcontinental genes is as low as 0-3%

Please go through the study conducted here
http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Kivisild2003b.pdf


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And if Kalash ppl are claiming that they are descendants of Greeks then....

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Seriously when you have such a decorous past then why do you try linking it with Europeans whose civilisations were in their infancy while the civilisations in the subcontinent were at its peak???
 
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The author is bluffing!!!!
Genetics studies in the region have claimed otherwise, the European contribution to Subcontinental genes is as low as 0-3%

Please go through the study conducted here
http://evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Kivisild2003b.pdf


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And if Kalash ppl are claiming that they are descendants of Greeks then....

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Seriously when you have such a decorous past then why do you try linking it with Eruopeans whose civilisations were in their infancy when the subcontinent had Sindhu-Saraswati civilisation??

Bibi no one is linking them with euros. Kalash are one of original aryans who got isolated in mountains. And its Indus valley civilization, please don't bring your nationalistic hindu agenda here.
 
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Bibi no one is linking them with euros. Kalash are one of original aryans who got isolated in mountains. And its Indus valley civilization, please don't bring your nationalistic hindu agenda here.

Red: Bravo .....
Green: Tsk Tsk Tsk

and there was only one civilization which was in Indus Basin, Pakistan. Calling it South Asian is false because it implies that it was spread all over South Asia whereas truth is it was more or less centred on Indus Basin, Pakistan.
 
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Bibi no one is linking them with euros.

Read these lines from the article....,
the Kalash people's DNA seems to indicate that they had an infusion of European blood during a "mixing event" at roughly the time of Alexander's conquests in 4th century B.C

please don't bring your nationalistic hindu agenda here
I don't have an agenda because
1) I'm an OMNIST, I believe in one god.
2) I'm a political mugwump, that means I don't support any political party.
So keep your suggestions to yourself.
 
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Read these lines from the article....,


I don't have an agenda because
1) I'm an OMNIST, I believe in one god.
2) I'm a political mugwump, that means I don't support any political party.
So keep your suggestions to yourself.

Ignore that, remember this.

Kalash are one of original aryans who got isolated in mouintains. Do you agree with this?
 
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Bibi I though you had no agenda? How do you explain kalash people if not aryans? I am open to new theory on kalash.
Tell me your version of Aryans and Kalash ppl first. And then I'll tell you what I think about it.
And stop BIBI-ing me.
 
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Tell me your version of Aryans and Kalash ppl first. And then I'll tell you what I think about it.

Bibi I already told you they are one of original aryans who got isolated in hindu kush. Do you have any other explanation?
 
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Bibi I already told you they are one of original aryans who got isolated in hindu kush. Do you have any other explanation?
Frankly speaking I don't have any interest in knowing who Kalash ppl are.

I came to this thread expecting some tourism related pictures. But unfortunately the OP was trying to mislead ppl here, and that's when I decided to post on this thread. And this is not the first time OP has claimed that Paksitan's gene pool has European contribution.

If you're talking about Aryan invasion theory then that myth has been debunked already. If at all some nomads, who had no knowledge of city planning, who lived in circular huts and who might have migrated to Indian subcontinent towards the end of Harappan period were Aryans, then in my knowledge those nomads got assimilated into the subcontinent's population.

And can you pls stop bibi-ing me?
 
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