Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[Verve]

yes and im not proud about it

My sincere apologies. It was to hammer an obvious point that many just can't seem to get in their heads.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Islam is not recogniced as religion in Italy. So its not granted the rights of a religion in Italy.

It is obligatory to show your face in Italy. Why would you hide your face? Only because you are a criminal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...accept-to-change-that/?utm_term=.c07c77bca7f5

If we allow this veil thing whats next? Aztecs demand they cut out hearts from people to satisfy Quetzalcoatl?

I don't know about Italy . I was sharing my personal opinion . If you force women to take her hijab off then you are as extremist as those Taliban who force them to wear it . You boht are extremist who want to impose your own will on others by force . You should not act as champion of human rights and freedom when you act like extremist

You should understand that there are different culture , traditions and beliefs and allowing freedom to people to live as per their personal belief is actually tolerance . Women wear bikini or hijab don't hurt me in any way so I should not interfere in their private personal matters . I will be intolerant bigot if I do this and if some western government limit this choice of people then they should be last one to talk about freedom, equality and liberty etc

 

[lastofthepatriots]

British Pakistanis are super weird.

 

[Hell hound]

for all those saying that the sole purpose of west to ban veil is to discriminate against Muslim have a read
http://io9.gizmodo.com/man-in-joker-makeup-charged-with-felony-for-wearing-mas-1793638966
the purpose of banning every clothing article or makeup which can conceal your true identity is purely because of security risks. get out of the mentality that every thing west do is to oppress or discriminate against muslims.

a similar ban must be place in our country too considering the security threats
example

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Face veil isn't mandatory.

To always label West is incorrect because you outlaw the two Muslim States that have enforced this law.

Face veil is face coverage.

Let me point out what was banned in public:

Hoodies - covered faces and thuggish looking

Motorcycle helmets - can't wear these in public places and even if you enter the petrol station have to remove it

Air pollution masks - aren't recommended either

The argument of jackets etc would weigh down on the same scale as Jubbas etc.

That however is not the discussion here.

sister you are a thread runner please post a few massages in my mystery thread so it may prosper

 

[Verve]

British Pakistanis are super weird.

There is a common saying we have here in UK ... BBCD ... British Born Confused Desi ...

And I'm not pointing to anyone ...

 

[lastofthepatriots]

@Divergent1

Please remove the face veil from your profile pic first. LMAO

 

[maximuswarrior]

If you choose to live in the west, you must adhere to their rules.

You should not be able to cover your face, for obvious security reasons.

No law in the West prohibits people from covering their face. This is a BS argument invented by the right-wing nutters.

The problem only arises during identification. You can only argue that full face cover becomes a hindrance during identifying a person. This is a valid argument. I'm sure there are always solutions to resolve this issue. For instance, women who cover their face don't have an issue identifying themselves to other women.

A ban is extreme. In fact, it is counterproductive. You can't decide if people who want to cover their face for whatever religious or cultural reason should not be allowed to do so. Not everyone in the West has piercings or wears a baseball hat. Those that do have the choice and freedom to do so. The same principle should apply to women who opt for face veil.

Whether anyone agrees or disagrees with this practice is irrelevant.

 

[Zarvan]

Covering your face doesn't make you a criminal but Muslims should respect the law of the land they live in.



Ajaye Hazrat lmao you know it isn't.

It's compulsory and ALLAH order is more important than west

 

[Verve]

In Italy you dont wear a veil. If you do so, you become air. When you have an accident i ignore it. If you die, i ignore it. If your house burns, i ignore it. Because you are not one of us. Just air.

And the masked fascist face of liberal secularism will be revealed ....

 

[abdulbarijan]

Face veil isn't mandatory.
To always label West is incorrect because you outlaw the two Muslim States that have enforced this law.
Face veil is face coverage.
Let me point out what was banned in public:
Hoodies - covered faces and thuggish looking
Motorcycle helmets - can't wear these in public places and even if you enter the petrol station have to remove it
Air pollution masks - aren't recommended either
The argument of jackets etc would weigh down on the same scale as Jubbas etc.
That however is not the discussion here.

-The two muslim states you quoted, don't claim to be the champions of human rights, the beacons of freedom, openness, diversity and inclusiveness. Don't get angry at us baji hazoor , we're merely judging the west by it's own self professed moral standards which it loves to prescribe for other nations.

-BTW just to restate my earlier point,
" I will say however, if you as a muslim, make the conscientious choice to go live in the west and raise your families there--- well, the treatment you get (edit: and the law of the land) is part of the package. Whether it is maltreatment for having a beard or wearing a niqab. Yes, the perpetrator who maltreated you is a piece of $hit, but it was your decision to go in a country, knowing full well what goes on there."

 

[Divergent]

face veil is not mandatory as per your understanding but others could not agree with you and me and they have right to wear it for religious or cultural reasons. I personally don't want others to live as per my expectation and desires . Its their life and they should be free to make personal choices which don't affect me

I'm not supporting any bans, I'm saying Muslim Women in the West need to compromise a bit because there have been incidents abusing the attire and therefore created a scare and should do for their own safety etc.

No law in the West prohibits people from covering their face. This is a BS argument invented by the right-wing nutters.

The problem only arises during identification. You can only argue that full face cover becomes a hindrance during identifying a person.

Thank you

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I give a shit about human rights. In my country you do as i demand it or leave. Or die. fair deal?

In Italy you dont wear a veil. If you do so, you become air. When you have an accident i ignore it. If you die, i ignore it. If your house burns, i ignore it. Because you are not one of us. Just air.

When you come here i demand that you follow our customs 100%.

I have doubt that anyone will bother to enter in Italy if every Italian think like you but you have few bigot in every country but they are in minority Its up to people whether to compromise on their belief or leave the country who limit their personal freedom but then this will not be any different than living under strict mullah rule

what are Italian customs? speaking Italian, eating Italian food, dating and sleeping like italain ?

Several towns in Italy have local bans on face-covering veils. The north-western town of Novara is one of several local authorities to have already brought in rules to deter public use of the Islamic veil.

In the Lombardy region of Italy, a burka ban was agreed in December 2015 and came into effect in January 2016.

Governments have discussed extending laws to impose penalties on Muslim face coverings, but these have not yet been enforced nationally.

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[Zarvan]

In the west,or at least in most of those countries,the law of God has no value at all. Pointing out your beliefs in front of Police officers or in a court will get anyone nowhere.

For Muslims It's more important than anything else and west will attack it than things will not turn good for anyone

 

[Hell hound]

A ban is extreme. In fact, it is counterproductive. You can't decide if people who want to cover their face for whatever religious or cultural reason should not be allowed to do so. Not everyone in the West has piercings or wears a baseball hat. Those that do have the choice and freedom to do so. The same principle should apply to face veil.

Whether anyone agrees or disagrees with this practice is irrelevant.

what about the cctv security footage veil or face mask these things render them useless.