Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[Azadkashmir]

england is the headquarters of the evil rothschild but unfortuntely most citizens dont know the truth and are easily manipulated.

G4S security is owned by israel, false flag coming this way.

by ahem empowering the women they are able to tax her too for working and also take her kids in the institution at earlier age to brainwash them. Not only that the child has no bond with its mother since it is taken care by others. breaking families slowly but surely.

I am for do as the romans do but england got more important issues to deal with like erderly dying in winter becuase no heating money. no jobs, public services are underfunded but military budget is growing.

heres the catch you dont like the law so you move out, to your home country but then western countries start to dictate to us, that we cant have islamic law banking etc we must accept thier system and thinking in our home country.

 

[SouI]

Well our Islamist government too criminalized covering of the face.

 

[Divergent]

Nice one ... West, the torch bearers of higher moral grounds & freedoms etc etc, will follow Egypt and Tunisia. Since when?

Stop taking it out of context, what I'm suggesting is they had it done too so stop labelling the West alone.

 

[Jf Thunder]

There is no point of a "discussion" when there is no opposing point of view and even though I'm no fan of @Zarvan when it comes to his predictions in the defense section, I have no problem in admitting that he does seem somewhat knowledgeable when it comes to the religion.

The fact that you already protest to someone joining a mere discussion at a forum says alot about the strength of your arguments to be quite frank with you. My reasoning to your points wasn't even religious and I haven't seen a response as yet

apparently you have never had a discussion with Zarvan?
he takes it all in circles
A DISCUSSION WITH HIM IS AN ENDLESS VOID

 

[Verve]

Stop taking it out of context, what I'm suggesting is they had it done too so stop labelling the West alone.

You are the one suggesting that West can justify this as Egypt & Tunisia have outlawed ... and I'm asking, does West need to take cue from these countries to make own laws?

 

[Divergent]

You are the one suggesting that West can justify this as Egypt & Tunisia have outlawed ... and I'm asking, does West need to take cue from these countries to make own laws?

No. What I'm saying is point out flaws to them as well. Even if the face veil is banned it's not such a big deal it's not compulsory, however England hasn't outlawed but is advising it is safer. People fear. The opposition also live in fear therefore respect their laws.

 

[cocomo]

Their land their rules. But when you project yourself as protectors of "Freedom of religion" and "freedom of expression", people argue for consistency.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Stop taking it out of context, what I'm suggesting is they had it done too so stop labelling the West alone.

I fail to understand why such a topic was even started to begin with? to top it all off Zarvan has been summoned here, this is going to be a long long and endless thread.
And the arguments and discussions are going to become annoying, the same old quotation from the Quran with different translations, the same Hadith supporting both the POVs. and Neither side is going to budge. The only result will be some people will be getting high blood pressures

 

[Divergent]

I fail to understand why such a topic was even started to begin with? to top it all off Zarvan has been summoned here, this is going to be a long long and endless thread.
And the arguments and discussions are going to become annoying, the same old quotation from the Quran with different translations, the same Hadith supporting both the POVs. and Neither side is going to budge. The only result will be some people will be getting high blood pressures

Lmao don't worry I got you

 

[Divergent]

I fail to understand why such a topic was even started to begin with? to top it all off Zarvan has been summoned here, this is going to be a long long and endless thread.
And the arguments and discussions are going to become annoying, the same old quotation from the Quran with different translations, the same Hadith supporting both the POVs. and Neither side is going to budge. The only result will be some people will be getting high blood pressures

If people can take your comments out of context Sacred Scriptures are something else lol

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I personally think full face veil or burka is bit too much and those Muslim women who choose to wear it in western countries often get more attention which actually kill the purpose of Hijab

But I still think women should be free to wear whatever they like wearing for whatever reasons . I am against imposing anything on others by using force whether you force them to wear it or you force them to take it off. People often want to impose their own like or dislike on others and use excuses of security for this. If full face veil is security threat then wearing long jacket could also be security threat as people could hide suicide explosive stuff under their jackets so should we ban long coat/jackets then?

also those women who wear full face veil has to show their identity when they are at some sensitive places like airports, court, police etc

 

[Divergent]

Personally in the West, it is better if you do not wear the Face veil on. Wear it on in the East, don't endanger yourselves.

 

[abdulbarijan]

Hi,

Absolutely---the person's face MUST BE visible and the eyes as well---.

See---many a pakistanis would stand in a line to gang rape a girl or a woman or child molestation---but none would wage a war on these perverts---.

And these fundos---even their women folks would justify the action of their men---.

Lemme just say Mastan Bhai that I respect you, cuz your around the age of my dad and I've learned alot from you. As far as your opinion on this particular subject goes, I completely disagree.

-First of all, If your going to judge my entire nation of over 200 million people based on the actions of a few, well ... If I recall correctly, According to RAIIN, in the US Every 98 seconds, an American is sexually assaulted. And every 8 minutes, that victim is a child. Meanwhile, only 6 out of every 1,000 perpetrators will end up in prison. So, if you can stereotype my countrymen by the worst among us, do note that we can respond in kind, with interest.

-Secondly, I heard this alot from people especially in the west and it goes like this "Who are you as a man, to enforce your views of what is appropriate to wear or not to wear for a woman?" Last time I checked enforcement of such clothing code was termed "oppression". Better to go and get your own house in order before you comment on ours ...

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Personally in the West, it is better if you do not wear the Face veil on. Wear it on in the East, don't endanger yourselves.

We dont like when others preach us what to wear and why we should dictate others what they should be wearing? Its personal choice and freedom of people. forcing people to take off hijab is as bad as forcing them to wear it ..they are boht extremism

 

[Verve]

No. What I'm saying is point out flaws to them as well. Even if the face veil is banned it's not such a big deal it's not compulsory, however England hasn't outlawed but is advising it is safer. People fear. The opposition also live in fear therefore respect their laws.

But your first post is promoting 'against' with for various other reasons other than security itself .... so not sure what you want out of this thread. You want to discuss 'Faith'?

Morally it is advised IN Western Countries not to because:

1) It is not mandated by Faith
3) There is a very powerful saying derived from Faith 'Do not over-burden yourself'.
4) It is not safe for these women especially when the attire is abused and will endanger them due to excessive suspiciousness and uninvited discrimination