F35-I(Adir): News,Videos and Pictures

[DavidSling]

Thats enough to win against Iran.

Please don't start this conversation on this thread

 

[Hexciter]

Is that F-35B's are still on the paper for purchasing by Israel?

@DavidSling @500

 

[Natan]

Seems soon for IOC, considering there's only 3 so far. When's the next batch arriving?

There are five, and another two or four are about to arrive next month.
IOC comes pretty soon, yes. Why? I don't know.

Is that F-35B's are still on the paper for purchasing by Israel?

F-35B's are being considered, nothing more.

 

[DavidSling]

AMID IRAN NUCLEAR FEARS, ISRAEL TO BOLSTER ITS FIGHTER JET ARSENAL

BYANNA AHRONHEIM

AUGUST 23, 2017 20:46

With an extremely low radar signature, the F-35 can operate undetected deep inside enemy territory.

An Israeli Air Force F-35 fighter jet flies during an aerial demonstration at a graduation ceremony for Israeli airforce pilots at the Hatzerim air base in southern Israel December 29, 2016.. (photo credit:REUTERS/AMIR COHEN)

Israel will take delivery of two more stealth F-35 “Adir” fighter jets by the end of the month, joining the five already undergoing tests at IAF bases.

An additional two jets will arrive by October, and in December Israel is set to declare Initial Operational Capability of its F-35 stealth fighter jets, making it the first air force outside the United States to do so.

The single-seat, single-engine, all-weather stealth multirole fighters are expected to be used for long-range missions and will, according to senior Israeli officials, provide complete air superiority in the region for the next 40 years. The Lockheed Martin F-35 is the most expensive military weapons system in history.

The IAF, which is expected to receive a total of 50 planes over the next few years to make two full squadrons by 2022, is considering purchasing an additional 15 F-35s from the US.

With an extremely low radar signature, the F-35 can operate undetected deep inside enemy territory such as Iran and evade advanced missile defenses like the advanced Russian-made S-300 system that Tehran announced in March had become operational.

Russia delivered the S-300 system last year, in an $800 million deal that had been frozen in 2010 due to United Nations Security Council sanctions which barred the sales of advanced weapons to Tehran.

Israel had long sought to block the sale, as it remains concerned that Iran will develop nuclear weapons.

Jerusalem remains concerned that Iran will violate the July 2015 nuclear deal, and on Tuesday, Ali Akbar Salehi, one of the Islamic Republic’s vice presidents, said it could start creating highly enriched uranium within five days if the US canceled the nuclear deal.

“If we make the determination, we are able to resume 20% enrichment in at most five days,” he said.

Salehi’s comments echoed others made by President Hassan Rouhani, who warned earlier this month that “threats and sanctions” made by Washington would give Iran reason to build up its nuclear capabilities.

“In an hour and a day, Iran could return to a more advanced level than at the beginning of the negotiations,” he said, adding that “those who are trying to go back to the language of threats and sanctions are prisoners of their past hallucinations. They deprive themselves of the advantages of peace.”

Former Israel Air Force chief Maj.-Gen. (res.) Amir Eshel has called the F-35 “game changing,” saying that Israel gathered new intelligence during a single flight by the F-35 earlier this year that other reconnaissance and intelligence gathering systems would take weeks to gather.

The air force has been working on integrating the F-35s already in Israel, carrying out dozens of test including a series of aerial refueling tests. The tests, carried out from the Tel Nof Air Base near Rehovot, aimed to see how the “Re’em” (Boeing 707) tanker aircrafts refueled the F-35s at every speed and height.

Israel’s fleet of Re’em planes, the number of which remains confidential, are former civilian aircraft adapted for military uses such as aerial refueling for fighter jets. During a visit to the Nevatim Air Base near Beersheba last month, a senior IAF officer in the Re’em Squadron told the Post that the squadron allows the IAF to reach countries far from its borders.

“We like to see ourselves as the squadron which allows the IAF to go anywhere. Without air refueling, fighter jets can only go so far.”

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...ael-to-bolster-its-fighter-jet-arsenal-503235

 

[DavidSling]

The recently appointed Head of the F-35 JPO (Joint Program Office), Vice Admiral Mathias Winter, visited Israel this week and was exposed to the “Adir” (F-35I) stealth fighter’s progress towards IOC (Initial Operational Capability)
Carmel Stern


Today (Thursday), a delegation led by the recently appointed head of the F-35 JPO Vice Admiral Mathias Winter completed its visit to Israel and returned to the United States. Vice Admiral Winter was appointed Head of the Joint Program Office last May, and this is his first visit to Israel. The JPO is the main element in the United States responsible for development of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) project – the F-35.

Photography: Adi Abu

Vice Adm. Winter's visit was five days long, in which he'd met with IAF Commander Maj. Gen. Amikam Norkin, and visited Israeli Aerospace Industries. He also visited Hatzerim, Tel-Nof and Nevatim AFBs, the last of which being home to the IAF’s first "Adir" (F-35I) Squadron (the "Golden Eagle" Squadron). "In light of the integration process we are undergoing - heading towards our first IOC inspection - we utilize the JPO's knowledge and experience in many fields", explained Maj. Roy, from the IAF International Affairs Branch. "Israel is the first country to integrate the stealth fighters outside the US, and so we have a lot to learn from the Americans".

Photography: Adi Abu

A Promising Future
During the delegation's visit to Nevatim AFB, they visited the "Adir" (F-35I) simulator, squadron and HAS (Hardened Aircraft Shelter). "The Admiral wanted to see the technical capabilities of the 'Adir' (F-35I) already integrated by the IAF and its future developmental capabilities. He witnessed the integration process from up close when visiting Nevatim AFB", added Maj. Roy.

Vice Admiral Winter was presented with the complex strategic challenges the IAF faces. As part of his visit, the Vice Admiral took off for a sortie in a "Sufa" (F-16I), where he was exposed to the density of the Israel’s airspace. "It felt like the Vice Admiral was very impressed by the processes and various developments presented to him", concluded Maj. Roy. "He showed full support for cooperation between the forces, and expressed a desire to deepen the collaboration".

Photography: Adi Abu

http://www.iaf.org.il/4463-49463-en/IAF.aspx

Israel finalizes agreements to buy 17 more F-35 jets
New deal will bring IAF’s fleet of the high-tech stealth fighters up to 50, to be delivered by December 2024
BY TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF August 27, 2017, 12:46 pm


An F-35 jet arrives at its new operational base at Hill Air Force Base, in northern Utah, September 2, 2015. (AP/Rick Bowmer, File)

Israel finalized its agreement to buy 17 more advanced F-35 stealth fighters from Lockheed Martin on Sunday, the Defense Ministry said, which will bring the air force’s fleet of the aircraft to 50.

The initial decision to purchase the 17 additional F-35 fighters was made by the security cabinet in November 2016, but it took an additional nine months to hammer out the agreement with the United States and Lockheed Martin.

Israel is currently in possession of five F-35 stealth fighters, the first of them delivered in December 2016, and the air force will continue to receive the remaining 45 in small batches over the next few years.

The initial order of 33 F-35 jets is expected to be completely delivered by 2021. The new batch of 17 airplanes is set to arrive by December 2024, the Defense Ministry said in a statement.


An F-35 fighter jet lands in the Nevatim air base in southern Israel on December 12, 2016. (Judah Ari Gross/Times of Israel)

According to the air force, the state-of-the-art aircraft are expected to be declared operational by next year.

“Completing the deal to acquire 17 F-35 planes represents a significant and strategic addition of strength to the air force,” Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman said in a statement.

The defense minister also noted that this deal is further evidence of “how deep the connection and military relations are between the State of Israel and our great friend the United States.”

In its statement, the Defense Ministry would not specify the exact cost of the fighters, but it noted that for the first time, the F-35 jets will cost under NIS 358 million ($100 million) per airplane, which means the additional aircraft will likely set Israel back at least NIS 6.09 billion ($1.7 billion), not including the costs of additional maintenance and support equipment.


Lockheed Martin unveils Israel’s first F-35 fighter jet in Fort Worth, Texas, on June 22, 2016. (Lockheed Martin)

Dovi Lavi, the head of the Defense Ministry’s delegation in Washington, praised the US Defense Department for negotiating with Lockheed Martin to bring down the price.

“This is a significant decrease in price compared to the airplanes that the State of Israel has purchased until now,” Lavi said.

The F-35 — known in Israel as the Adir, meaning “awesome” or “mighty” in Hebrew — is a fifth-generation stealth fighter jet equipped with an array of the latest technology that is expected to anchor the Israel Air Force for years to come.

Despite taking years to produce, a high price tag, and suffering numerous setbacks, Israel’s purchase of the 17 additional F-35s appeared to be a show of confidence in the plane and its abilities.

Israel receives over $3 billion a year from the US in military aid, and early this year the two countries agreed on a new aid package that will see Israel receive $3.8 billion annually through 2028, the vast majority of which must be used on purchases from American defense companies.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-finalizes-agreements-to-buy-17-more-f-35-jets/

 

[Gomig-21]

In its statement, the Defense Ministry would not specify the exact cost of the fighters, but it noted that for the first time, the F-35 jets will cost under NIS 358 million ($100 million) per airplane, which means the additional aircraft will likely set Israel back at least NIS 6.09 billion ($1.7 billion),

Wait, what? "Set Israel back $1.7B?" Doesn't the purchase cost of each of those F-35 come out of...

Israel receives over $3 billion a year from the US in military aid, and early this year the two countries agreed on a new aid package that will see Israel receive $3.8 billion annually through 2028, the vast majority of which must be used on purchases from American defense companies.

$3.8B to be precise. Closer to $4B. So why would it set Israel back a single penny?

Here's a snipit from Wiki:

However, there is strong competition for funding. Israeli ground commanders argue that because of the potential threat that the giant and modern Egyptian army would be turned against Israel, it is necessary to establish an additional mechanized division, equipped with Merkava tanks and the new Namer armored personnel carrier. The production of the Namer was moved to General Dynamics Land Systems in the U.S. in order to enable Israel to procure them using US military aid funding, the same funding source used to acquire the F-35s.

I understand that in return for these jets that would be funded from the $3.8B aid package, Israel Aerospace has agreed to exchange some work for the jets? From the same source:

Israel's guarantees of more than US$4B of aerospace work in exchange for their purchase of 20 F-35s valued at US$2.7B

Not sure what and why the US would need$4B in aerospace work TBH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_Israeli_procurement

And BTW, why are you guys threatened by us? Aren't we at peace? Aren't we collaborating against terrorism in general around the Negev and Sina and even with intelligence beyond that area? We need a large army because we are a big country with very long maritime borders and an important strategic location and role in the ME, and our military is only modernizing a long, overdue process, especially the air force and navy. Besides the navy and maybe the number of tanks, I think it's safe to say that Israel is still qualitatively and quantitatively superior to Egypt, especially where it's the most important in the AF but more importantly, Egypt has never indicated any hostility towards Israel for this kind of fear or caution. So why the worry? Does Israel hear threats from Egypt? Is it just talk for funding?

 

[DavidSling]

Wait, what? "Set Israel back $1.7B?" Doesn't the purchase cost of each of those F-35 come out of...



$3.8B to be precise. Closer to $4B. So why would it set Israel back a single penny?

Here's a snipit from Wiki:

However, there is strong competition for funding. Israeli ground commanders argue that because of the potential threat that the giant and modern Egyptian army would be turned against Israel, it is necessary to establish an additional mechanized division, equipped with Merkava tanks and the new Namer armored personnel carrier. The production of the Namer was moved to General Dynamics Land Systems in the U.S. in order to enable Israel to procure them using US military aid funding, the same funding source used to acquire the F-35s.

I understand that in return for these jets that would be funded from the $3.8B aid package, Israel Aerospace has agreed to exchange some work for the jets? From the same source:

Israel's guarantees of more than US$4B of aerospace work in exchange for their purchase of 20 F-35s valued at US$2.7B

Not sure what and why the US would need$4B in aerospace work TBH.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_Israeli_procurement

And BTW, why are you guys threatened by us? Aren't we at peace? Aren't we collaborating against terrorism in general around the Negev and Sina and even with intelligence beyond that area? We need a large army because we are a big country with very long maritime borders and an important strategic location and role in the ME, and our military is only modernizing a long, overdue process, especially the air force and navy. Besides the navy and maybe the number of tanks, I think it's safe to say that Israel is still qualitatively and quantitatively superior to Egypt, especially where it's the most important in the AF but more importantly, Egypt has never indicated any hostility towards Israel for this kind of fear or caution. So why the worry? Does Israel hear threats from Egypt? Is it just talk for funding?

Israel is threatened by the whole middle east, but more from shia rather than the sunni muslims.
Israel will always do it's best to remain in advantage against any middle eastern country, be it a "friend" or a foe.
And Egypt did indicate several times hostility toward Israel, just saying.

 

[Gomig-21]

And Egypt did indicate several times hostility toward Israel, just saying.

Give me an example of these hostile actions. Are you referring to the rapid deployment exercises across the canal? Those are completely defensive, nothing in those to suggest aggression or hostility. Everything is defensive.

There's no aggression from Egypt towards Israel, even in the political realm. I think it's quite the opposite.
Look at this, Shoukry and Netanyahu last November watched the Euro Final together lol.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...ns-highest-level-history-161107083926863.html

 

[Natan]

Wait, what? "Set Israel back $1.7B?" Doesn't the purchase cost of each of those F-35 come out of...

$3.8B to be precise. Closer to $4B. So why would it set Israel back a single penny?

Israeli annual expenses for defence are around $15-16B. So even $4B is not enough to buy everything, and we still pay the rest of it.

I understand that in return for these jets that would be funded from the $3.8B aid package, Israel Aerospace has agreed to exchange some work for the jets? From the same source:

Israel's guarantees of more than US$4B of aerospace work in exchange for their purchase of 20 F-35s valued at US$2.7B

That's right. We are about to produce 800+ pairs of wings for F-35 customers around the world. This is how F-35 becomes cheaper eventually.

And BTW, why are you guys threatened by us? Aren't we at peace? Aren't we collaborating against terrorism in general around the Negev and Sina and even with intelligence beyond that area? We need a large army because we are a big country with very long maritime borders and an important strategic location and role in the ME, and our military is only modernizing a long, overdue process, especially the air force and navy. Besides the navy and maybe the number of tanks, I think it's safe to say that Israel is still qualitatively and quantitatively superior to Egypt, especially where it's the most important in the AF but more importantly, Egypt has never indicated any hostility towards Israel for this kind of fear or caution. So why the worry? Does Israel hear threats from Egypt? Is it just talk for funding?

You guys had three different pharaohs in a short period of time, two of them were overthrown. The current one is indeed wishes to collaborate with us against terrorism, and shows no sign of hostility towards Israel. That's good, but who will be next? Maybe someone who would choose to be hostile.

 

[DavidSling]

Give me an example of these hostile actions. Are you referring to the rapid deployment exercises across the canal? Those are completely defensive, nothing in those to suggest aggression or hostility. Everything is defensive.

There's no aggression from Egypt towards Israel, even in the political realm. I think it's quite the opposite.
Look at this, Shoukry and Netanyahu last November watched the Euro Final together lol.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...ns-highest-level-history-161107083926863.html

Yeah, until another muslim brotherhood nut job will threaten to cancel the peace deal

 

[Gomig-21]

Israeli annual expenses for defence are around $15-16B. So even $4B is not enough to buy everything, and we still pay the rest of it.

But the $4 billion is more than enough for the $1.7 billion purchase price required for the additional 20 F-35's. So the money to buy those doesn't come out of the military budget, but rather from the aid money.

That's right. We are about to produce 800+ pairs of wings for F-35 customers around the world. This is how F-35 becomes cheaper eventually.

But Israel is getting paid to produce those wings. I doubt they're supplying the materials, assembling them and delivering them for free.

You guys had three different pharaohs in a short period of time, two of them were overthrown. The current one is indeed wishes to collaborate with us against terrorism, and shows no sign of hostility towards Israel. That's good, but who will be next? Maybe someone who would choose to be hostile.

Well the first pharaoh was in there for 30 years and never showed any signs of aggression or hostility, quite the opposite. I think the worst thing Mubarak did was piss off Lieberman because he didn't want to visit Israel. But if there ever was a threat, it actually came from Lieberman himself when he said the silly stuff about bombing the Aswan dam lol. Now who's the nuttier or hostile one? I don't think a single Egyptian politician ever said anything remotely close to that. All these politicians are nuts anyway.

The peace treaty is highly respected by Egypt. It's much more conditional and restrictive to Egypt than it is to Israel, so there shouldn't be any fear of hostility whatsoever.

 

[DavidSling]

But the $4 billion is more than enough for the $1.7 billion purchase price required for the additional 20 F-35's. So the money to buy those doesn't come out of the military budget, but rather from the aid money.



But Israel is getting paid to produce those wings. I doubt they're supplying the materials, assembling them and delivering them for free.



Well the first pharaoh was in there for 30 years and never showed any signs of aggression or hostility, quite the opposite. I think the worst thing Mubarak did was piss off Lieberman because he didn't want to visit Israel. But if there ever was a threat, it actually came from Lieberman himself when he said the silly stuff about bombing the Aswan dam lol. Now who's the nuttier or hostile one? I don't think a single Egyptian politician ever said anything remotely close to that. All these politicians are nuts anyway.

The peace treaty is highly respected by Egypt. It's much more conditional and restrictive to Egypt than it is to Israel, so there shouldn't be any fear of hostility whatsoever.

You're forgetting that the aid is also used to maintenance and spare parts, and producing merkava and namer parts and what not.
In the end, large sum also comes from Israel military budget which stands on 16.8billion USD (without aid) as of today.

 

[Gomig-21]

Yeah, until another muslim brotherhood nut job will threaten to cancel the peace deal

What do you mean "another?" Morsi affirmed the peace treaty with Israel and even told the Egyptian people how important it was. Not sure what you mean by that.

 

[DavidSling]

What do you mean "another?" Morsi affirmed the peace treaty with Israel and even told the Egyptian people how important it was. Not sure what you mean by that.

Rashad al-Bayumi, the deputy chief of Egypt's largest party, the Muslim Brotherhood, said that they would not recognize Israel and that the treaty could be put to a referendum, emphasizing that while they respected all of their international agreements, they "had the right to review the peace deal" and that the Egyptian people "have yet to speak their mind". Representatives of the group had told U.S. diplomats that they did not intend to revoke the treaty.[25]

Addressing Israeli concerns on July 31, 2014, Egyptian president Abdel Fattah el-Sisi pledged to continue the peace with Israel.[26]

 

[Natan]

But the $4 billion is more than enough for the $1.7 billion purchase price required for the additional 20 F-35's. So the money to buy those doesn't come out of the military budget, but rather from the aid money.

There are many other projects worth more than $4B combined. Spare parts, jet fuel, e.t.c. Aid money don't cover everything.

But Israel is getting paid to produce those wings. I doubt they're supplying the materials, assembling them and delivering them for free.

Obviously Israel is getting paid, but Israeli engineers are getting paid less than U.S. engineers. It makes the overall flyaway cost of F-35 cheaper, and allows Lockheed Martin to sell more.

Not even mentioning the "combat proven by Israel" stamp.

Well the first pharaoh was in there for 30 years and never showed any signs of aggression or hostility, quite the opposite. I think the worst thing Mubarak did was piss off Lieberman because he didn't want to visit Israel. But if there ever was a threat, it actually came from Lieberman himself when he said the silly stuff about bombing the Aswan dam lol. Now who's the nuttier or hostile one? I don't think a single Egyptian politician ever said anything remotely close to that. All these politicians are nuts anyway.

The peace treaty is highly respected by Egypt. It's much more conditional and restrictive to Egypt than it is to Israel, so there shouldn't be any fear of hostility whatsoever.

The peace treaty is being respected by Egyptian pharaohs so far, but Egyptians who do not respect their pharaohs always portrait them with six pointed stars, and clearly do not respect the peace treaty. Your mob storms our embassy, they rape an American journalist and yell "Jew!", your clerics call us "sons of dogs and pigs", and your singers sing "I hate Israeel".
So with all due respect to your peaceful pharaohs, we'd be better safe safe than sorry.