F-35A in full loadout for first time

[DarX]

Is that what freedom looks like?

If oil is discovered in India, that is what American Freedom looks like.

 

[gambit]

They have 4th gen fighters that can do another decade.

So according to you, they should stay with inferior jets TODAY because the F-35 MIGHT be inferior to POTENTIAL 5th gen fighters TOMORROW.

This is why no Americans on this forum takes you seriously.

Is that what freedom looks like?

Yes, it is. You know your India want it.

 

[Śakra]

Yes, it is. You know your India want it.

You know damn straight we want it.

If oil is discovered in India, that is what American Freedom looks like.

Can you stop obsessing about India???

 

[UKBengali]

So according to you, they should stay with inferior jets TODAY because the F-35 MIGHT be inferior to POTENTIAL 5th gen fighters TOMORROW.

This is why no Americans on this forum takes you seriously.

Most Americans here are clueless and so who cares what they think anyway.

F-35 will be inferior to jets coming out over the next 10-15 years. Why buy a fighter that will spend at least half it's life being a sitting duck to far better fighters?

Those nations buying F-35 have adequate fighters for the threats they face today and so no real need to get this turkey.

UK made a big mistake buying F-35. It should have lead a program with the likes of Netherlands, Norway, Italy etc to make an European 5th generation jet. That was a great opportunity missed.

You know damn straight we want it.

When Pakistan and BD start inducting the kinematically better J-31, F-35 will be at a severe disadvantage in air-combat in South Asia.

I suggest you read about the disadvantage that the F-35 has against a true air-dominance fighter like F-22 before being taking in by the hype.

 

[gambit]

Most Americans here are clueless and so who cares what they think anyway.

And your country is any more 'enlightened' ?

F-35 will be inferior to jets coming out over the next 10-15 years. Why buy a fighter that will spend at least half it's life being a sitting duck to far better fighters?

Yeah...And am sure you are speaking from extensive personal experience in military aviation.

Wait...You used Pierre Sprey...!!!

Am not sure which is worse.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Most Americans here are clueless and so who cares what they think anyway.

F-35 will be inferior to jets coming out over the next 10-15 years. Why buy a fighter that will spend at least half it's life being a sitting duck to far better fighters?

Those nations buying F-35 have adequate fighters for the threats they face today and so no real need to get this turkey.

UK made a big mistake buying F-35. It should have lead a program with the likes of Netherlands, Norway, Italy etc to make an European 5th generation jet. That was a great opportunity missed.



When Pakistan and BD start inducting the kinematically better J-31, F-35 will be at a severe disadvantage in air-combat in South Asia.

I suggest you read about the disadvantage that the F-35 has against a true air-dominance fighter like F-22 before being taking in by the hype.

The F-35 has superior avionics and sensor suites over every foreign fighter in the world. It will see and shoot first in almost every engagement. You talking out of your rear as usual Bengali.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Most Americans here are clueless and so who cares what they think anyway.

F-35 will be inferior to jets coming out over the next 10-15 years. Why buy a fighter that will spend at least half it's life being a sitting duck to far better fighters?

Those nations buying F-35 have adequate fighters for the threats they face today and so no real need to get this turkey.

UK made a big mistake buying F-35. It should have lead a program with the likes of Netherlands, Norway, Italy etc to make an European 5th generation jet. That was a great opportunity missed.

and they can't upgrade it into future like F-16 and super-cruise will be not needed by next generation jet 6th sensor wise its a world most advanced plane on the planet

J-20 is not an air-superiority combat aircraft. Its design is suitable for fighter-bomber missions.

air-superiority jet with secondary ground attack capabilities just like F-22

 

[randomradio]

The Russians are unlikely to product a viable '5th-gen' combat aircraft.

The Russians are way ahead compared to what you have been led to believe through the media.

 

[Ultima Thule]

The Russians are way ahead compared to what you have been led to believe through the media.

the current Su-57 is the less stealthy then F-22, F-35, J-20

 

[randomradio]

No it WILL be inferior to fighters that will have an airframe that will allow much better kinematics.
F-22 has superb kinemtics to allow good air-to-air capability.
F-35 is ok if the enemy only has 4th generation fighters.

The USAF has the F-22 and they want the new PCA (F-22 replacement) receiving IOC in 2028.

Most of the other countries that will operate the F-35 will be supporting the USAF or will have alternate designs that will complement the capabilities of the F-35, like Japan's X-2. Israel is the only country in the list of F-35 customers that will not have USAF support.

So most of your assertions are baseless.

Yes, it is. You know your India want it.

Honestly, India is willing to take a look at the F-35, but only as part of a competitive tender. But LM wants a direct purchase deal through FMS because they want more monies without giving up secrets that one will have to reveal due to the nature of competitive bidding.

And the bigger problem is India also wants license production, for up to 150 jets apart from directly buying 60 jets, and the ToT requirements are higher than what the US Congress will allow, as of now.

I'm a fan of the F-35B in particular because the IN has experience operating jets of that type. And it would really come to use when we expand our expeditionary capabilities over the next decade.

LM has been forced to engage in competitive tendering in some countries in Europe right now, like Belgium, Finland. So let's see how the F-35 fares against current European jets. It will be interesting to watch considering the Europeans are a bit more open about the competitive results.

 

[randomradio]

the current Su-57 is the less stealthy then F-22, F-35, J-20

It depends. The current version doesn't have the new engine, but its frontal RCS is smaller than the F-22's and this is from shaping alone. The new version with the new engine will take care of the rest.

Moreover, only a small part of the Su-57's passive RCS reduction comes from shaping. The entire airframe is made using RAS, unlike the F-22 which is mostly metal, meaning well over 90% of the F-22's stealth comes from shaping. And the Su-57 also has active measures for RCS reduction which the F-22 lacks.

You forget that the Su-57 was designed 20 years after the Raptor, at least 12 years after the F-35, while the new version that's coming up for Stage 2 is 25 years after the Raptor.

 

[The Accountant]

One of the most hyped weapon systems ever produced.
Oh wait a minute forgot tejas. So second most hyped weapon system ever produced.

Sir dont push for trolling ... lets keep the quality of the forum without trolling ...

Nah, I think the title should be rewarded to the J17.
I laugh loudly when you guys compare it to the newly made F16's, like they're on the same level

Stop trolling ,,, we compare it with vipers to identify the gap as from very beginning we wanted to reach that mark ... None of the senior members here claimed that it is better than viper ... However, from pure Pakistan's point of view, it is better than viper in some scenarios as the anti-ship role (our f16s are not configured for the anti-ship role), in air to air refueling, in anti radiation role and connectivity with link 17 ...

 

[CriticalThought]

@F-22Raptor @AMDR @gambit

Care to comment on this?

 

[jhungary]

Most Americans here are clueless and so who cares what they think anyway.

F-35 will be inferior to jets coming out over the next 10-15 years. Why buy a fighter that will spend at least half it's life being a sitting duck to far better fighters?

Those nations buying F-35 have adequate fighters for the threats they face today and so no real need to get this turkey.

UK made a big mistake buying F-35. It should have lead a program with the likes of Netherlands, Norway, Italy etc to make an European 5th generation jet. That was a great opportunity missed.



When Pakistan and BD start inducting the kinematically better J-31, F-35 will be at a severe disadvantage in air-combat in South Asia.

I suggest you read about the disadvantage that the F-35 has against a true air-dominance fighter like F-22 before being taking in by the hype.

The problem with your argument is that you compare a technology today to something that is happening in the future. F-35 is a fighter in production today, J-20 or PAK-FA or any other 5th Gen fighter in the pipeline.

That is the same as you compare the F-22 in 1990s and a J-20 now, and you claim you can defeat a 1990 era F-22 with advance J-20 avionic and mission package. This is kind of a moot point, because you assume F-35 (in this case) will still be the same F-35 now then in 10 years time, when other country started fielding J-20 or whatever.

US is currently developing 6th Generation Aircraft, and most technology the US will be use in 6th Gen Aircraft will be retrospectively put into F-35 to magnify it power. The edge, is the time frame between production, the sooner the production started, the more time I can upgrade and patch and fine tune the existing version. I don't know what the future bring, but I can be sure of one point, by the time China or Russia have been able to field reasonable amount of their Fifth Gen, F-35 will have enough time to evolve into 5.5 gen by adding 6th gen fighter technology in it, just like today 4th gen F-18 and F-15 further developed into FA-18F Superhornet and F-15E/F/G/K strike eagle.

Legacy fighter is legacy because it went past their prime, it does not mean they cannot be upgrade, in fact, EVERYTHING in the US Military inventory can be upgrade, and unless US stay the same in the 10 or 15 years with technology, then we will have a scenario, like you said, F-35 will be outgun by newer 5th Gen Aircraft, but I am pretty sure US technology is going to go forward and in a visible time frame, it will still be ahead of any nation in the world, and the gap between production time would mean the US have more time to fine tune their 5th gen then any other nation in the world, and that, in itself, is an advantage no other country can have.

 

[LeGenD]

air-superiority jet with secondary ground attack capabilities just like F-22

This: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-real-purpose-behind-chinas-mysterious-j-20-combat-jet-2017-1