F-35 myths and facts

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It depends on what these 4th gen aircraft are carrying.

No matter what.

The F-35 has better stealth and avionics than the F-22. But the F-22 will beat the F-35 in air combat.

If F-35 see F-22 first he has better chance to win.

The negative press is due to the obscene delays in the program. Kinda like why LCA has been criticised as well.

All programs have delays. F-22 and pak fa had similar delays.

 

[randomradio]

If F-35 see F-22 first he has better chance to win.

Not necessarily. Just because you see first doesn't mean you are ready to shoot first.

All programs have delays. F-22 and pak fa had similar delays.

Unlike the F-22 and PAK FA, the F-35 followed concurrency. So the US ended up making hundreds of prototypes instead due to the delays. That's what all the criticism was about.

And for some analysts like Carlo Kopp, their main agenda was they wanted the F-22 exported, not the F-35.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

F-35 is a compromise. It lacks the size to achieve Mach 2 speed and super cruise. It has fewer weapons load. It does away with thrust vectoring. In exchange for shortening development.

All programs have delays. F-22 and pak fa had similar delays.

F-22 first flew 1997 achieved IOC in 2005. Not bad. Su-57 first flew 2010 first delivery 2019. Not too bad but longer than F-22 took. Before F-22 there was ATF technology demonstrator. Before Su-57 there were two technology demonstrators. MiG 1.44 and Su-47.

 

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Not necessarily. Just because you see first doesn't mean you are ready to shoot first.

AA weapons are identical on both F-22 and F-35. Anyhow if you see the foe first you can chose better position and tactics.

Unlike the F-22 and PAK FA, the F-35 followed concurrency. So the US ended up making hundreds of prototypes instead due to the delays. That's what all the criticism was about.

There is no any hundreds of prototypes. You should also kep in mind that while F-22 was one aicraft for one air force, F-35 is 3 different aicraft for dozen air forces.

And for some analysts like Carlo Kopp, their main agenda was they wanted the F-22 exported, not the F-35.

Thats what I said. Kopp hates F-35 because its too small, while Sprey hates F-35 because its too big.

 

[Ultima Thule]

F-35 is a compromise. It lacks the size to achieve Mach 2 speed and super cruise. It has fewer weapons load. It does away with thrust vectoring. In exchange for shortening development.

Top speed doesn't matters, only acceleration and T/W ratio matters in combat, thrust is too maintenance prone its useless, too up coming 6th generation will don't have TVC

And as for your information F-16 have a similar size of F-35 but still reeaches Mach 2 @undertakerwwefan

 

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F-35 is a compromise.

I'll tell you a secret. But don't tell anyone. Every plane in the world is a compromise. And not only plane.

It lacks the size to achieve Mach 2 speed

1.8 Mach Rafale will kick *** of 2.2 Mach Mirage 2000. I am not talking about 2.2 Mach Mirage III.

and super cruise. It has fewer weapons load. It does away with thrust vectoring. In exchange for shortening development.

F-35 is much smaller than F-22 but carries more fuel.
F-35 is much smaller than F-22 but carries two times bigger bombs internally.
F-35 is much smaller than F-22 but carries E/O navigation and targeting system internally.
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F-22 first flew 1997 achieved IOC in 2005. Not bad. Su-57 first flew 2010 first delivery 2019. Not too bad but longer than F-22 took. Before F-22 there was ATF technology demonstrator. Before Su-57 there were two technology demonstrators. MiG 1.44 and Su-47.

F-35 first flew in 2006 and achieved IOC in 2015.

Su-57 delivery was planned in 2015:
http://www.interfax.ru/wc2018/122926

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Top speed doesn't matters, only acceleration and T/W ratio matters in combat, thrust is too maintenance prone its useless, too up coming 6th generation will don't have TVC

And as for your information F-16 have a similar size of F-35 but still reeaches Mach 2 @undertakerwwefan

Speed is essential. F6F shot up Zero in WW2 because it is faster. 380 mph compared to 350 mph.

1.8 Mach Rafale will kick *** of 2.2 Mach Mirage 2000. I am not talking about 2.2 Mach Mirage III.

Rafale complements Mirage 2000. Rafale is better for ground attack. Mirage 2000 is better for air to air.

Su-57 delivery was planned in 2015:

Su-57 first flew January 2010. No modern plane enters service 5 years after first flight.

 

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Oh common F-35 has lost to F-16 and everyone knows it

Thats another myth. There was no intention to see who wins but rather testing high angle of attack behavior. One of the reason why F-35 performed bad in this test was too aggressive automatic anti spin. So conclusion of the test was to limit anti spin and give the pilot more authority.

Overall high angle of attack is virtually never used in battle because very high lose of energy and speed.

Su-57 first flew January 2010. No modern plane enters service 5 years after first flight.

I said delivery to the army. Paka fa is late by 4 years. And delivery to he army does not mean it will enter service.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Thats another myth. There was no intention to see who wins but rather testing high angle of attack behavior. One of the reason why F-35 performed bad in this test was too aggressive automatic anti spin. So conclusion of the test was to limit anti spin and give the pilot more authority.

Overall high angle of attack is virtually never used in battle because very high lose of energy and speed.


I said delivery to the army. Paka fa is late by 4 years. And delivery to he army does not mean it will enter service.

Deliveries in 5 years is unrealistic. Su-35 first flew in 2008 and delivered since 2012 but that is because it is a mature proven design. Su-57 would take at least 9 years between first flight and first delivery.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Speed is essential. F6F shot up Zero in WW2 because it is faster. 380 mph compared to 350 mph.

how can F-22 launch its weapons above mach 2 impossible best speed to launch weapons of F-22 is trans sonic speed 0.85 to 1.5 mach @undertakerwwefan

Rafale complements Mirage 2000. Rafale is better for ground attack. Mirage 2000 is better for air to air.

Mirage 2000 can't reach Mach-2 speed with external weapon loadout and you research on aerodynamics before you post its a sincere advice from me to you @undertakerwwefan

Su-57 first flew January 2010. No modern plane enters service 5 years after first flight.

Su-57 is basically is Su-27 series of jets modified for stealth, that lack of R & D and $$$$$$$$ from Russia for the development of Su-57 @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Su-57 is basically is Su-27 series of jets modified for stealth

Nope. The only Su-27 derivatives are Su-27UB, Su-35 formerly named Su-27M, Su-30 formerly named Su-27PU, Su-34 formerly named Su-27IB, Su-33 formerly named Su-27K. Su-57 is an entirely new design. Look at the air intakes. Totally different. Su-35 compared to Su-27 is like P-40K compared to P-40A, having the same airframe. Su-57 compared to Su-27 is like P-51 compared to P-40. A totally new design.

 

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Deliveries in 5 years is unrealistic. Su-35 first flew in 2008 and delivered since 2012 but that is because it is a mature proven design. Su-57 would take at least 9 years between first flight and first delivery.

I posted official plan according to Zelin - the head of Russian air force.
Again delivery does not mean operation capability.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I posted official plan according to Zelin - the head of Russian air force.
Again delivery does not mean operation capability.

Well, you know what? I don't read Russian. Maybe so, but 5 years is not realistic.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Nope. The only Su-27 derivatives are Su-27UB, Su-35 formerly named Su-27M, Su-30 formerly named Su-27PU, Su-34 formerly named Su-27IB, Su-33 formerly named Su-27K. Su-57 is an entirely new design. Look at the air intakes. Totally different. Su-35 compared to Su-27 is like P-40K compared to P-40A, having the same airframe. Su-57 compared to Su-27 is like P-51 compared to P-40. A totally new design.

Su-57 is basically Su-27 series of jets modified for stealth you admit or not but its fact @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Su-57 is basically Su-27 series of jets modified for stealth you admit or not but its fact @undertakerwwefan

Nope. It's a completely new design. Super Hornet compared to Hornet is a new design like F6F compared to F4F. Su-35 compared to Su-27 is like P-40K compared to P-40A. Su-57 compared to Su-27 a new design like P-51 compared to P-40.

Su-57 don't even have the same wingspan as Su-27 the way Su-30, Su-35, Su-34, Su-33 do which are derived from Su-27.