F-22p News & Discussions

[ghazi52]

Thanks for sharing the photos.

 

[owais.usmani]

 

[Penguin]

Ships from DIMDEX 2010:
PNS Zulfiquar (FF 251) - the first F22P
HMAS Stuart (FFH 153) - an ANZAC class frigate

 

[Penguin]

double post

 

[Dazzler]

Some details of KH-2007 navigation radar onboard F-22p

http://www.kelvinhughes.com/NavPDF/KH%202007.pdf

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well since these are small size frigates , we should really have 20 of these friagtes

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Well since these are small size frigates , we should really have 20 of these friagtes

Here we go again. Azad Bhai we do not have the money to have a 50 plus ship navy with carrier group and.......

 

[Penguin]

Well since these are small size frigates , we should really have 20 of these friagtes

Small doesn't necessarily mean cheap

 

[applesauce]

Small doesn't necessarily mean cheap

well these ones are actuality quite cheap for what they are

 

[Penguin]

well these ones are actuality quite cheap for what they are

F22P is relatively inexpensive for a new ship of this size and capability. That doesn't make is cheap ($175 mil or so is not peanuts)

ANZAC is somewhat heavier than F22P and has CODOG propulsion versus CODAD on F22P

ANZAC (modified MEKO 200)
Displacement: 3,600 tons (full load)
Length: 118 metres (387 ft)
Beam: 14.8 metres (49 ft)
Draught: 4 metres (13 ft)

F22P (modified Type 035H3)
Displacement: 2,500 tonnes (standard)
3,144 tonnes (full load)
Length: 123 m (406 ft)
Beam: 13.4 m (44.2 ft)
Draught: 6 m (19.8ft)

 

[Dazzler]

This is from SIPRI data base 1950-2007 Pak-China missile trades. C803 for F-22ps are mentioned.

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1950 to 2007
Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://armstrade.sipri.org/>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 20 October 2008


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


China
R: Pakistan (16) HY-2/SY-1A/CSS-N-2 Anti-ship missile 1980 1981 (16) For Hegu (Haibat) FAC; SY-1A (CSS-N-2) version
(40) HQ-2/CSA-1 SAM (1983) 1983 (40)
(32) HY-1/SY-1/CSS-N-1 Anti-ship missile 1983 1984 (32) For Huangfen (Azmat) FAC
(100) HN-5A Portable SAM (1984) 1987 (100)
(36) LY-60 SAM (1994) 1996-1997 (36) For 3 modernized Tariq (Amazon) Class frigates
(20) C-802/CSS-N-8/Saccade Anti-ship missile 1997 1997-1999 (20) For Jalalat FAC
(20) C-802/CSS-N-8/Saccade Anti-ship missile (2003) 2006 (20) For Jalalat FAC
(40) C-803 Anti-ship missile (2005) For Jiangwei (F-22P) frigates
(70) R-440 Crotale SAM (2005) For Jiangwei (F-22P) frigates; HQ-7 (FM-80) version

L: (1000) HN-5A Portable SAM (1988) 1989-1998 (1000) Pakistani designation Anza-1
(55) M-11/CSS-7 SSM (1988) 1992-1994 (55) Incl assembly in Pakistan
. . Red Arrow-8 Anti-tank missile 1989 1990-2007 (14600) Pakistani designation Baktar Shikan
. . QW-1 Vanguard Portable SAM (1993) 1994-2007 (1150) Pakistani designation Anza-2



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[Dazzler]

Totally agreed with Apple sauce. They offer perhaps the best price/performance ratio in their class and fill the role of relatively medium sized combatants perfectly. The need for heavy combatants/destroyers still remains to be filled as many options are available from Chinese 054 series to Turkish Milgem series.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think 20 of F22P will help us make for the lack of size

We can overcome the size with quantity of such versitile ships ...
and we should continue to enhance the production of these ships

 

[Ibr0kEmYrAz0r]

F22P is relatively inexpensive for a new ship of this size and capability. That doesn't make is cheap ($175 mil or so is not peanuts)

Indeed, naval ships are never cheap; but comparing with the ugly-looking insanely-overpriced £200 ($300) millions per unit British-built 2000-tonnes class corvette patrol boat that sold to Algerian National Navy by Royal Brunei Navy , suddenly it is not that bad at all.

$175M per unit are calculated by dividing the total cost of $750M by 4, so that should include 1.5 helicopter + 1/4 of (total weapons + spare ammo + TOT + some production facility, etc.) and most of all, good learning experiences for building indigenous frigates.

ANZAC (modified MEKO 200)
Displacement: 3,600 tons (full load)
Length: 118 metres (387 ft)
Beam: 14.8 metres (49 ft)

F22P (modified Type 035H3) ===> 053H3
3,144 tonnes (full load)
Length: 123 m (406 ft)
Beam: 13.4 m (44.2 ft)

Interestingly the western ships are generally fatter than the Chinese ones (8:1 versus 9:1 ratio), so slightly better comfort at rough seas for the fat boys. The difference of 456 tonnes at full load are considerable, but not too significant for helicopter and missile operations under sea state 5~6 ish on a 3K-ton class ship.

Nowadays a line draws around 3000 tonnes class ship indicating adequate endurance for ocean-going vessels and somewhat good autonomy and seaworthiness. F22P class just manages to get over the line (Though at the good old days - 100 years ago - people would call it a "cruiser"! )

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The F22P is ideal platform to meet our navy's short term goals.

If we combine F22P (Anti Ship) and Type 054 (Air defence+Anti Ship) and OHP anti submarine warfare capabilities compliment the other ships well
its a good investment for our Navy

Considering how bad shape our fleets are in term of numbers

That whole idea of leasing ships messed up our fleet's numbers

Also Pakistan navy is not venturing into Atlantic ocean or something we are stying on our own sea 100-500 km zone at most or visiting near by countries for training missions

F22P x 8

Type 054 x 4

OHP X 6

Would give us some respectability to protect shores from Terrorist sneaking in ppl or weapons out of borders etc

For items we have TOT we really have no excuse not to produce in numbers

Like Agostas & F22P we really need to be producing 10 of each !!! in our own naval engineering facilities

The rest can be purchased