F-16 Rolls While SU-30 Crawls

[HammerHead081]

Such maneuverability doesn't means much since in this modern era, there are rarely going to be any dog/close ranged fights taking place in air. SU-30 main purpose is long ranged fights and it excels at it compared to F16.

 

[Windjammer]

Such maneuverability doesn't means much since in this modern era, there are rarely going to be any dog/close ranged fights taking place in air. SU-30 main purpose is long ranged fights and it excels at it compared to F16.

Yea, 27th February just proved that.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

So how the TVC is an advantage then....I doubt they will have time to play around with TVC against a BVR missile traveling at around Mach-4.

TVC is great for doing aerobatics. Makes for a perfect bollywood plane.

SAM routinely knock passenger airliners out of the sky. BVR air to air work the same way. They are dumb. No IFF. Best bet is gun battle dog fight.

By routinely you mean 4-5 every 20 years?

 

[HammerHead081]

Yea, 27th February just proved that.

Yes that was all possible due to superior in quality PAF pilots as well as the radar jamming. I would not say it was due to the jets.

 

[Windjammer]

Yes that was all possible due to superior in quality PAF pilots as well as the radar jamming. I would not say it was due to the jets.

All this wasn't happening on 26th, so what stopped Indian jets from carrying out their task.

 

[The Accountant]

No dude, Su-30 with TVC is far more maneuverable then F-16. In modern air warfare its gonna be VERY rare for fighter jets to engage in dog fights.

No buddy its munverable at low speed but at higher speed its really difficult to manuver such a big plan due to enormous weight. And even if you try to do so by using TVC u will bleed alot of energy which will slow down the plane and hence eventually will result in letting go the advantage

 

[sohail.ishaque]

There was a time when so many Indians used to talk about Su30mki but now, the people who talk about SU30s are Pakis only. You won't hear a damn thing from the Indians about su30s,. Its as if they have just forgotten about this jet.

 

[The Accountant]

If a pilot is smart and trained well he can utilize TVC to doge missiles.

she has seen too much IAF comedy and was later executed by BJP.

How

G limits of aircrafts r lower than missiles

 

[Myth_buster_1]

There was a time when so many Indians used to talk about Su30mki but now, the people who talk about SU30s are Pakis only. You won't hear a damn thing from the Indians about su30s,. Its as if they have just forgotten about this jet.

just one incident does not change the reality that su30 is still a better fighter in every aspect.

 

[Basel]

No dude, Su-30 with TVC is far more maneuverable then F-16. In modern air warfare its gonna be VERY rare for fighter jets to engage in dog fights.

TVC woks in slow speeds in high subsonic regime the are not that effective for dog fights of 21st century.

not really.... you don't dogfight with full speed ahead... su30 WVR is different animal... it's slow speed handling characteristics is second to none... but no indian pilot is beating a pakistani pilot in maneuver skills that's for sure

Slow TVC maneuvers can get Su-30 pilots killed as latest gen WVR missiles can take them out with ease.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

just one incident does not change the reality that su30 is still a better fighter in every aspect.

You should teach this to the indians. they don't believe in it. Their PM cries for Rafale so as their Air force chief.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

You should teach this to the indians. they don't believe in it. Their PM cries for Rafale so as their Air force chief.

Sometimes its a good idea to downplay your true capabilities to confuse your enemy.
Losing just 1 Su-30 does not change the fact that Su-30 is still by far the best fighter in south east asia after Rafael. It in cooperates one of the best technologies from France Israel and Russia.

No buddy its munverable at low speed but at higher speed its really difficult to manuver such a big plan due to enormous weight. And even if you try to do so by using TVC u will bleed alot of energy which will slow down the plane and hence eventually will result in letting go the advantage

So Russia invested billions of dollars developing a fighter series that are useless in WVR and BVR...?
If you look at all PAF CAP F-16s they carry more AMRAAMs then Sidewinder for a reason.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Sometimes its a good idea to downplay your true capabilities to confuse your enemy.
Losing just 1 Su-30 does not change the fact that Su-30 is still by far the best fighter in south east asia after Rafael. It in cooperates one of the best technologies from France Israel and Russia.

So Russia invested billions of dollars developing a fighter series that are useless in WVR and BVR...?
If you look at all PAF CAP F-16s they carry more AMRAAMs then Sidewinder for a reason.

Underestimating your own capabilities is not a good practice either. don't suffer from inferiority complex.
Btw there is a time to downplay your capabilities and there is a time to perform to your capabilites. And that feb skirmish wasn't the time to downplay your capabilities. To get insulted infont of the whole world, while elections were around the corner, and before that, making high claims,. well i don't think they downplayed it. They actually got their azz kicked.

Had they been trying to down play, then they wouldn't had tried so hard to convince the world that they got an F16. They tried to achieve with their media what they failed to achieve with their MIGHTYYYYY SU30s....

 

[BATMAN]

this was the result of party trick last February

wonder why she is smiling while others been to a funeral
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She's not the only one.
They all know, Imran Khan will always make sure no AIM is fired next time, at least not 9 in a single air battle!

On the subject, SU is not only slow in the air. It's also slow on the ground!
By the time Indians scramble one SU, PAF can scramble jF-17 x 3 matching the number of Indian BVRs in air at any given point in time!

 

[Water Car Engineer]

There was a time when so many Indians used to talk about Su30mki but now, the people who talk about SU30s are Pakis only. You won't hear a damn thing from the Indians about su30s,. Its as if they have just forgotten about this jet.

You should teach this to the indians. they don't believe in it. Their PM cries for Rafale so as their Air force chief.

It's like talking about a car you owned now for several, several years. It's old at this point, not back then when it was the fresh toy. Rafale is the fresh toy.

MKI was and is still a great choice for India. Having 230+ by now was worthwhile for the IAF. Any sane Indian or Pakistani would say the same. It would be hilarious to underestimate IAF or the MKI.