1)Dude I am familiar with Russian doctrine in this matter. However the only way the Russian system would work would have been by firing huge numbers of missiles at any fleet. But that does not mean it was the best way. It would have been suicide for the attacking forces to attempt it and the systems were already in place throughout the 80's to counter the threat. So the means existed to counter missiles such as the AS-4 (capable of speeds of 4000kmh) back in the 80's so it would be noo big stretch to build upon those ideas.
2)This Post should answer the whole question re this:
Row over BrahMos
Vladimir Radyuhin
MOSCOW: India has been caught in a row between Russian weapons companies over the Indo-Russian BrahMos missile that may affect defence cooperation.
Dr. A. Sivathanu Pillai, CEO&MD, BrahMos Aerospace Ltd., expressed bewilderment at a sharp attack the Russian Government news agency Itar-Tass mounted last week on India's efforts to promote BrahMos in international markets.
Taking objection to the way BrahMos was fielded against not only third country missiles but also Russian-built systems "Moskit," "Club" and X-55 at a recent defence show in Jakarta, Indonesia, Itar-Tass accused the JV "BrahMos Aerospace" of "discrediting" Russian missiles and "squeezing" them from the market.
"They shoot themselves in the leg by making such charges, because BrahMos is a joint product of India and Russia," Dr. Pillai told The Hindu . Quoting unnamed defence industry sources, Itar-Tass questioned the expediency of setting up joint ventures with other countries to develop new weapon systems.
Until now Russian officials praised the BrahMos project as a ground-breaking example of a shift from the buyer-seller relations between India and Russia to joint development of futuristic defence technologies.
Monopoly
The attack on BrahMos gains a bigger dimension in the light of near-total monopolisation of Russian defence exports by the Russian state company Rosoboronexport. Under a decree signed by President Vladimir Putin all Russian arms exports, with the exception of spare parts, will go through Rosoboronexport as of March 1, 2007. This means that the BrahMos missile will be the only weapon system whose sales are not be controlled by Rosoboronexport. Analysts said the attack on BrahMos may have been orchestrated by Rosoboronexport, which will not receive any proceeds from the sales of BrahMos missiles. "We cannot rule out that Rosoboronexport may bring pressure to bear on NPO Mashinostroyenie now that the latter will depend on the state exporter for the marketing of its other products," a Russian defence expert told The Hindu .
Dr. Pillai warned that the attack on BrahMos worked against the spirit of trust between India and Russia. "The aim of the BrahMos JV is to reinforce time-tested trust and friendship between India and Russia," the BrahMos chief said. "The Itar-Tass story goes against the objective of the JV."
I'll bet that Yakhont will have similar performance to Brahmos soon.
3)/4)As I stated previously the means to hit supersonic (mach 2 +) missiles have been around for some time now. If the PAK navy wasn't in a Bastion defence then it would have real troubles. HOWEVER it would have a multi layered defence. You mentioned that the P-3's and Hawkeye 2000's would be hunted and would not be able to survive with out air cover. Since the aircraft would be in easy range of land based aircraft, why do you assume there would be no air cover?
The phalanx systems have been upgraded to 1B standard and there are the other ships that are on the table. If PAK for example gets some meko's (with a potential U-214 sale) or type 54's, then it would have RAM and Umkhunto missiles or alternative VLS system along with dual CIWS system. So the means will be there. Also in order to launch with a more positive chance of hitting it would have to be from a closer range. This would put it (the ship launch platform) into the range of a number of platforms such as Harpoon, Exocet and c-802 missiles. Aircraft would have to come into the range of Airborne surveillance (The hawkeye2000 can detect out to 550km)
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/hawkeye/
Another point to consider is that it (A supersonic missile) has less time to acquire target, meaning it has less time to counter the ECM, the decoy missiles, basically less time to distinguish the real target from the duped ones.
5)A supersonic SSM can't fly as low as a subsonic SSM in it's terminal phase. A Supersonic SSM's high speed creates stochastic high pressure from air, creating Trajectory shiver. the supersonic SSM is very easy to knock down with water if it flies as low as a subsonic SSM.
Normally a supersonic SSM flies 30m in terminal phase and only drops to 5m in the last 1km of the trip. A subsonic SSM flys 3/5m high in terminal phase. This also means the subsonic missile would have less chance to be detected and shot down.
5) Supersonic SSM's reflected radar waves have a more detectable Doppler frequency shift than a sub-sonic because a supersonic SSM has higher relative speed . It's easier to pick up a supersonic SSM's signals from background clutter, such as radar waves reflected by water.
You can lock-up a supersonic SSM once it's over the horizon. It's harder to lock a stealthy subsonic SSM. You can't continuously track it because its signature is very weak and it can hide in the background noise. you can pick up signals but not enough to get a lock. So by the time you successfully lock onto a subsonic SSM and launch a SAM, the incoming SSM will only be 20/30km away from the ships/fleet. The reaction time left is always shorter than a supersonic SSM.
5)You guys seem to tout the missile speed as being some sort of magic totem but there is a flip side to the speed. The missile has less time to acquire targets, meaning it has less time to be able to pick the real targets from the ECM, Chaff etc etc.
5)The RCS of a Supersonic missile will always be bigger because it requires more fuel, a bigger engine (which needs to be a specific shape in order to be fast) Any RAM coating will not last long due to the heat. Also the heat would make a juicy target for any IR based systems. Most modern SAM systems will be able target and hit a target of that size. The Block 1b Phalanx has FLIR systems as well.
5)The air pressure would create a aerodynamic effect which strengthening the body would not have a effect.
5)Ever wondered why the shuttle loses contact when re-entering the atmosphere? The same principle would apply when moving a supersonic missile through heavy air at sea level. This would have an effect on the seeker, hence the point that the seeker on a supersonic missile would not be as effective as a subsonic one. Also the fuel and engine requirements would limit the supersonic missiles' electronics.
Finally there have been lots of supersonic interceptions a Mig-25 was shot down at mach 3. Most missiles are tested on supersonic target drones so I doubt the 14 tests will have overcome the numerous problems there are.........The reaction time is all very nice but if you spot it earlier then you will have additional time to intercept it.
Sorry for the delayed response. Long posts take huge amount of time.
1. How is that different from a sub-sonic launch? Sub-sonic missiles also needs to launched in large numbers. Even in such a scenario,supersonic's have a better chance of getting through. Again.. reaction time.
As far as being sucidical.. I dont think so. When will the range of 300 be useful? The range is higher than any other ASHM like Exocet or Harpoon. For simple fact that Russian did not believe they could close as 100km within American battle groups.
2. The report it self answers the question . Robon. will not get the money out of this sale as it is outside of its export profile. It will hit it's sale of Yahknot,hence it is obvious they will cry foul.
By the way there will not be another Yakhnot Mark 2. Because Brahmos is the Yahknot Mark 2.
The partner in Brahmos company is the organization which produced Yakhnot in the first place. Why would the company produced another Yakhnot when it is getting money from Brahmos?
3. Keys,you are forgetting the range. Brahmos has 300 km. IN does hot have to be near IN to do the kill.Even if in a simpel ship to ship engagement Brahmos will stil have range advantage over Harpoons. Brahmos will be air launched by all means to hit a ship,where there is Orions. On the other hand.. a PN ship or aircraft have to come close to 100 km+(Harpoon or Exocert ) range.. with air cover. Can that happen? Who is at disadvantage here?
About decoys. If you say it has less time to lock on targets,what makes you think it lock on decoy's much faster? If you saying that decoys would be deployed the moment the missile is fired so that it locks on the decoy instead of the target..well it is the same for a subsonic as well. I dont see how subsonic is better off here.
4. Well it is taken for granted that the missile will be detected by anti-ASHM defence,be it subsonic or supersonic. Would I bother that it files high or low until i give the defences the minimum time to react?
The days are gone where subsonic ASHM was difficult to detect. Barak has a range of around 9 km. Which means the radar can detect these missiles at even further range.
Even if detected and locked at 9 km it ,a subsonic will take around 30-45 sec to reach the target..a supersonic gives you 10-15 sec. Which will do you think can be easily shot?
Supersonic detection needs long range radars plus powerful airborne survillence plus long range fast reaction missiles in numbers.. who has deployed this kind of infrastructure in SE Asia?
5. The Doppler shift etc.. comes into picture if the missile gives back emission. If the missile is design with stealth features, how do you think they calculate Doppler shift?
Would you say that F-22 can be detected easily if it super-cruise?
I am not saying Brahmos is super stealth but reduction in RCS has been one of the criteria.
By the way you are comparing stealthy subsonic with non-stealthy supersonic to prove that supersonic can easily locked?
6. In SE Asia,it is a force multiplier.
7. If needed RCS of a supersonic can be reduced. If F-22 can hide engine emission,engine inlets etc ..why not supersonic missile. But then is it worth the effort and money for a missile that will be destroyed? Brahmos developers already assume that it wil detected on launch itself. They worked on providing better counter measures to ASHM defences like forming a "S" shaped flight during the terminal phase etc.
8. If BVR missiles traveling at Mach4 can handle 30-40 G's how much pressure would be there on a low flying ASHM almost traveling a straight line?
9.Shuttles come down at Mach 25. I expect communication to be lost when coming down at such a speed due to heat generated.If detection was so difficult at MAch 3, there would not have been a Brahmos. There are videos which show Brahmos impacting targets with pin point accuracy at incredible speed. So we can rest assure that Brahmos guidance works at
that speed.
Okay shooting down of Mig-25. You mean to say they were shot down while coming at Mac h 2+? Okay first and foremost you are comparing a aircraft with a missile.
Second Mig 25 require to travel at very high altitude to go to speed of Mach 2+ to reduce drag. In that case, if they shot which would invariably happened at lower height because the shooting aircraft would not have gone to such a height as Mig-25 can. This means they were NOT travelling at Mach 2+ speed, when they were shot.
I am not aware of any Mig-25 being shot at Mach 2+. I would like to see any such reports. If you are talking about Syrian Mig-25's ,as far as I know they are not shot at Mach 2+.
In the Gulf war, BVR's fired at Mig-25 lost the target, becoz the speed at which Mig-25 turned back and ran.
And yeah Mig-25 cannot easily attain Mach 3. It results in a complete engine burn out. IAF pilots were strictly ordered not to fly Mach 3.
You can develop counter for every missile if detected early. The simple fact stays that if detected a supersonic at 100km or a subsonic at 30km ,I get the same reaction time.
So i dont see the concept of "more time".
Hell in subsonic why bother to detect the missile,when I easily detect the firing source at 100km and know that a missile is coming at me.
So where does the advantage of non-detection for subsonic missile come from?
