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This is a huge complex. One tiny building in this complex that I measured at 30ft by 20ft appears to faded. You do understand this is like small outhouse. It could even by the bloody toilets or store that has since been demolished. Even if IAF dids this what would taking out one room in a huge complex achieve? In a military attack most of the complex would be taken out. Not take out one room in whole complex.
Fisrtly if IAF did take the so called "out house" then it wouldn't be outhouse at all, but as the intel report indicates, a madarsaa hostel. Since the attack was during the night, it makes no sense to demolish the whole complex.
JeM cadres would be in bed in the hostel and not in madarssa classes or elsewhere.
So it makes sense to target the building with maximum number bombs(3), so that entire building got demolished.
Other buildings were targeted with just singe penetration bomb, hence only the entry holes for bombs can be seen the building itself still stands.
But these question would not arise, if Pakistan would just let media enter the complex(as DGISPR had boasted), what is Pakistan afraid off ?
Well, then you should turn off your TV for once because Reuters and many other international, domestic media has already visited the site and reported on it; just that the Indian media is not interested in the truth, rather interested in blatant propaganda.
Secondly, the whole scenario being painted that the missile penetrates before explosion and so causes no external damage -- true but that only works on cases where the building is reinforced and fortified against explosions, much like how the IAF's excuse for not deploying enough Sukhoi 30MKI jets is that they don't have enough ''bunkers" for the jers, these are reinforced bunkers, im sure you have already seen a video claiming to demonstrate this although its not a Spice 2000 but concept is similar.
Now, in the case of that madrassa, even a Spice 2000 (guide) loaded with shrapnel will bring that structure down; an AK-47 doing rounds can pierce not only a hole for each bullet, but also form cracks, target it with a shrapnel on just one of its face, let alone its internal structure which holds it, and the thing will come down.
Thirdly, the witnesses: Reuters and other international, domestic media already reported that the nearest local hospital staff said there was no influx of bodies at all. Some of the local people of Balakot, clearly said that while there used to be a camp, it was converted into a madrassa many years ago, one clearly mentioning that there used to be a camp in the 80s and 90s but was removed even before 2000, and one person even said that there is a madrassa and that their children even study there.
Furthermore, Reuters went a step further than other media and even contacted ambassadors and diplomatic missions, they quoted one as saying something along the lines that it is common knowledge among our intelligence circles that the camp is no longer in Balakot, and was packed up and dispersed along time ago.
The only thing this shows us, along with the seriously low resolution potato images that ANI obtained from military sources, is that India has no ground intelligence and is relying on outdated, old information as an excuse to continue its rhetoric and hold false grudges.
Unscratched? Did u even bother to read the article? An entire structure has turned into rubbles. On thetbiggest structure has clear 1 m wide entry hole is visible.
So the Pakistani Army is guarding a private property?
Those are military structures, media cannot be allowed inside. Is the madrassa too a secret military station? Don't tell me it's a private property and Pakistani Army is guarding it.
In a huge complex a building about 30 metres by 20 metres. Are we supposed to believe that all Jem activists were stuffed into that tiny outhouse like sardines in a can waiting for IAF? Does that make sense? My point is the building is way too small. Here I am going along with assumption that it was bombed which itself is wild speculation.Fisrtly if IAF did take the so called "out house"
For amongst other reasons that it is probably a JeM facility which has links to the insurgency in Kashmir and of course the army does not want media sticking their noses into it.but were not allowed near it by Pakistan army.
In a huge complex a building about 30 metres by 20 metres. Are we supposed to believe that all Jem activists were stuffed into that tiny outhouse like sardines in a can waiting for IAF? Does that make sense? My point is the building is way too small. Here I am going along with assumption that it was bombed which itself is wild speculation.
And seriously are we expected to believe that 300 died in this 'attack' on a outhouse?
This is what independant observors are saying. From Reuters Report -
Image below from Reuters is expanded. The outhouse is clearly visible in image on right post so called 'attack' by IAF. It appears that the image posted by you guys is forged @Osiris
Satellite images reviewed by Reuters show that the religious school appears to be still standing days after India said it had flattened the Islamist militant group's training camp in the area.
The images produced by Planet Labs Inc., a San Francisco-based private satellite operator, show the facility and its surroundings on March 4, six days after the air strike.
The image is virtually unchanged from an April 2018 satellite photo of the facility. There are no discernible holes in the roofs of buildings, no signs of scorching, blown-out walls, displaced trees around the madrasa or other signs of an aerial attack.
Jeffrey Lewis, director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Project at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, who has 15 years’ experience in analysing satellite images of weapons sites and systems, confirmed that the high-resolution satellite picture showed the structures in question.
“The high-resolution images don’t show any evidence of bomb damage,” he said. Lewis viewed three other high-resolution Planet Labs pictures of the site taken within hours of the image provided to Reuters.
For amongst other reasons that it is probably a JeM facility which has links to the insurgency in Kashmir and of course the army does not want media sticking their noses into it.
Note: This source is independant. Not Pakistani or Indian.
https://graphics.reuters.com/INDIA-KASHMIR/010090XM162/index.html
Source with a link please?According to Jeffrey Lewis, Director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Project at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, "The high-resolution images don't show any evidence of bomb damage."
However, a closer analysis of pre-blast and post-blast images indicate four likely bomb entry points on the roof of the largest structure at the camp.
It also shows significant changes on the ground and possibly structures a short distance from the building mentioned above.
Not indian propaganda post, but Reuters which Pak members were very happy to cite when it published an article citing words of 'independent analysts' claiming no damage took place. Now that they say Pak army isnt allowing media to approach the strike site but is limiting access to the foothill, u call it propaganda....
Never received a memo saying, that only Pakistani propaganda is allowed on this forum.
According to Jeffrey Lewis, Director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Project at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies, "The high-resolution images don't show any evidence of bomb damage."
However, a closer analysis of pre-blast and post-blast images indicate four likely bomb entry points on the roof of the largest structure at the camp.
It also shows significant changes on the ground and possibly structures a short distance from the building mentioned above.
Nope, they were not allowed to climb the hill and see inside the madressa. Wonder what's they hiding.International media including Reuters report have debunked Indian claims.
Doesn't work that wayYour bombs are sipping tea inside or what? Seems like they forgot to explode...
Exclusive: What Unreleased Satellite Images Of The Balakot Strikes Show
Balakot air strike: The image accessed by NDTV is of the Markaz, the hostel for terrorists. The image is far clearer than any others published since the Balakot attack took place on February 26.
All India | Written by Vishnu Som | Updated: March 13, 2019 16:50 IST
NEW DELHI:
One of the images of the Indian Air Force (IAF)'s strike on the Jaish-e-Mohammed terror training camp in Pakistan's Balakot, seen by NDTV, is a monochrome high resolution photo.
This is an image of a hostel for Jaish terrorists that the IAF was tasked to attack.
The image is far clearer than any others published since the Balakot attack took place on February 26.
The image shows a house with sloping roofs -- nothing out of the ordinary in hilly areas.
There are, however, three clear marks on one of the sloping roofs. These can be described as "holes". Each hole has a diameter of 1 metre, a detail clearly mentioned on the printout of the satellite image.
These details are now a part of a dossier with the government which, according to the Hindustan Times, spells out the impact of the Balakot attack.
''Among the targets destroyed were a guest house where Maulana Masood Azhar, his brothers Adul Rauf Azhar and senior functionaries of the banned terror group Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) usually stayed while visiting the camp and a Markaz or hostel for JeM's trainee terrorists, according to the report,'' says the Hindustan Times.
The image accessed by NDTV is of the Markaz, the hostel for terrorists.
Balakot Jaish-e-Mohammed base, 2018 (pre-strike)
The hostel, located immediately to the north of a large field at the Jaish facility, had a breadth of approximately 40 feet, a detail which can be corroborated on images on Google Earth Pro (shown above). Along its sides, it appears to be approximately 35-feet long.
Balakot Jaish-e-Mohammed base, March 4, 2019 (post-strike)
This hostel seems missing altogether in the post-strike satellite image of March 4 (six days the IAF attack) which has been released by Reuters and shown above. The structure which was targeted either collapsed entirely or was taken down in the days following the February 26 attack. In its place, a patch of dark soil can clearly be seen in the satellite image handed out by Reuters.
Sources say that in addition to the hostel, there were two other buildings which were hit. ''One [bomb] for the trainers and senior hostel, and one [bomb] for the guest house.''
Both these buildings lie to the south of the field mentioned above and are under the cover of trees and not clearly visible in either pre-strike or post-strike images released commercially. The Air Force, however, says they have satellite images that clearly indicate that these buildings have been struck as well.
Earlier reports by satellite imagery experts suggested that the bomb entry points were visible in the largest structure at the Balakot camp, a structure described as a "hall". It is now unclear if this hall was hit by other weaponry or the damage shown is the result of the explosion of 3 Spice 2000 bombs just metres away.
The weapon used in all cases was an Israeli-designed smart munition called the Spice 2000, a long-range glide bomb which uses satellite guidance to home in on its targets.
Designed to prevent collateral damage, the weapon strikes within 3 metres of its designated impact point.
The IAF used a penetrator variant of the Spice 2000 which pierces roofs and floors and explodes at a pre-designated depth.
According to a senior officer, three weapons were dropped on one target (the hostel) within 1.5 to 3 metres of the point they were supposed to hit. The other two weapons hit their targets precisely - with no error whatsoever. Six weapons in all were carried by the Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 fighters involved in the attack mission.
Five bombs were dropped and all five hit their designated targets.
Getting this satellite imagery has been problematic for the Indian Air Force. NDTV has learnt that the best images that have been acquired come from a friendly partner nation. A satellite pass of the Balakot target in the hours following the IAF attack on the morning of February 26 did not reveal the detail the government was looking for because of the presence of clouds.
It is unclear if the government will ever release images of the attack. International media and security experts have questioned the success of the IAF's attack on the Jaish training facility. They say commercially available footage does not appear to show significant damage and that none of the structures appear to have been brought down. Jeffrey Lewis, the Director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Project at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies says, "The high-resolution images don't show any evidence of bomb damage."
The Indian Air Force counters this vociferously. Senior officers NDTV has spoken to describe the manner in which the Spice 2000 works and say the weapon does not necessarily bring down all buildings that it strikes. ''It kills all soft skin targets by the blast over pressure wave within a confined room. An advanced fuse, available as an option, can also count floors.'' In the case of Balakot, at least one of the Spice 2000 smart bombs was set to pierce a two-storey building before exploding.
It is still not clear if the government will release satellite images of the Balakot attack or intends to provide further proof on the number of terrorists who have been eliminated. What seems to be clear, though, is that the images do not show a `big bang.' There is, however, clear evidence of precision strikes on selected targets within the terror base in Balakot.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bal...ot-air-strikes-show-2006941?pfrom=home-livetv
1. Most media reports, Pakistani and international, have talked about a JEM Madrassa being present which has not been hit per what they observed externally, from interviewing locals and analyzing satellite imagery.1. If what you say is true, that firstly there is no JeM madrassa there and secondly it was not bombed then you should have no problem letting media there. Infact your DGISPR promised on the day of the strikes, that he would take members of international media, as well as India media to the bombing site.
It has been over two weeks, that trip has not materialized yet .. why ?
this one is concrete bunker not a rag tag madrassa man use some sense please . you hit a crow and we admit it our loss of trees and crowNope, they were not allowed to climb the hill and see inside the madressa. Wonder what's they hiding.
https://in.reuters.com/article/indi...chool-that-india-says-it-bombed-idINKCN1QO26W
Doesn't work that way
Yes it does. You can’t just change the laws of physics. The bomb has a penetrator ‘head’ that allows it to go through reinforced structures prior to detonation. So, as shown in that video, the bomb penetrates through the concrete structure before detonating its explosives. However, the explosive blast and the resulting shockwave would demolish any ordinary structure. You can see how large the blast radius is in comparison to the Airplane.Doesn't work that way