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[rent4country]

Your not taking it, you're paying for it. At a premium.

This is like if blacked.com was based out of China, and you're trying to spin as a win by purchasing it from the Chinese.

You seem to think that Microsoft is being forced to do this and not because they see it as a lucrative investment. They've made billions of dollars in investment many times over and chose to do so again. They are answerable to their shareholders, and the board will have to approve the final deal.

 

[kankan326]

That's true. Like, Facebook, Youtube, and many more.

Yet the reasons for the US and Chinese banning apps are different.

1. The Chinese ban US apps to censor their public and not out of any concern for protecting their user's data being used by the American Government to gather intelligence. Data on users is kept inside China. All companies are required to host their platforms inside their firewall and within their data centers.

2. The Chinese CCP passed a specific law in 2017 that requires any Chinese company, upon request, to hand over and assist in gathering all information for the purpose of intelligence gathering. This law is becoming the bane of their tech company's continued existence in the western world. The Chinese CCP has time and again been caught tracking and harassing Chinese dissenters settled in other parts of the world

1. US government never gave up their desire to overthrow Chinese government. We all know US meida are involved. Facebook, Twitter played a nasty role in Xingjiang riot and Syria civil war.
2. May I know the name of the law? I searched in Chinese search engine but did not find any result. So I really doubt the law exsits.

 

[rent4country]

1. US government never gave up their desire to overthrow Chinese government. We all know US meida are involved. Facebook, Twitter played a nasty role in Xingjiang riot and Syria civil war.
2. May I know the name of the law? I searched in Chinese search engine but did not find any result. So I really doubt the law exsits.

1. Facebook and Twitter are not press. They allow your citizens to post their opinions and videos of what is happening on the ground in China and don't control what they say outside of universal decency laws and criminal activities. I'm always curious about this line of attack from the Chinese since your people can only overthrow you, and the US media has never overthrown any government. We see an open and free press in all democracies. Would you show us where they have been the reason to overthrow any government due to some collaborative conspiracy?

2. Here's an excellent reason for an open press. As a citizen, you are unaware of your government's enacted laws because they feed you what they want you to know. China's National Intelligence Law from 2017 requires organizations and citizens to "support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work."

Two pieces of legislation are of particular concern to governments — the 2017 National Intelligence Law and the 2014 Counter-Espionage Law. Article 7 of the first law states that "any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work in accordance with the law," adding that the state "protects" any individual and organization that aids it.

This law was enacted by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress on November 7, 2016 and was implemented on June 1, 2017

links:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/hua...ata-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html

https://www.business-humanrights.or...comply-with-further-internet-censorship-rules

 

[TruthHurtz]

1. Facebook and Twitter are not press. They allow your citizens to post their opinions and videos of what is happening on the ground in China and don't control what they say outside of universal decency laws and criminal activities. I'm always curious about this line of attack from the Chinese since your people can only overthrow you, and the US media has never overthrown any government. We see an open and free press in all democracies. Would you show us where they have been the reason to overthrow any government due to some collaborative conspiracy?

2. Here's an excellent reason for an open press. As a citizen, you are unaware of your government's enacted laws because they feed you what they want you to know. China's National Intelligence Law from 2017 requires organizations and citizens to "support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work."

Two pieces of legislation are of particular concern to governments — the 2017 National Intelligence Law and the 2014 Counter-Espionage Law. Article 7 of the first law states that "any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work in accordance with the law," adding that the state "protects" any individual and organization that aids it.

This law was enacted by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress on November 7, 2016 and was implemented on June 1, 2017

links:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/hua...ata-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html

https://www.business-humanrights.or...comply-with-further-internet-censorship-rules

Facebook and Twitter actively censor specific posts and ban users for opinions. Recently David Duke was banned despite never violating Twitter rules. They also promote specific political agendas domestically and abroad, these are ideological organisations and it doesn't support your assertion that these are free speech companies. Access to Facebook, Twitter and Google are not human rights. And these companies should be heavily regulated abroad.

Your point about the Chinese espionage law is complete hypocrisy, the US is guilty of the same things too and more egregiously than any other nation has done in the past.

 

[kankan326]

1. Facebook and Twitter are not press. They allow your citizens to post their opinions and videos of what is happening on the ground in China and don't control what they say outside of universal decency laws and criminal activities. I'm always curious about this line of attack from the Chinese since your people can only overthrow you, and the US media has never overthrown any government. We see an open and free press in all democracies. Would you show us where they have been the reason to overthrow any government due to some collaborative conspiracy?

2. Here's an excellent reason for an open press. As a citizen, you are unaware of your government's enacted laws because they feed you what they want you to know. China's National Intelligence Law from 2017 requires organizations and citizens to "support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work."

Two pieces of legislation are of particular concern to governments — the 2017 National Intelligence Law and the 2014 Counter-Espionage Law. Article 7 of the first law states that "any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work in accordance with the law," adding that the state "protects" any individual and organization that aids it.

This law was enacted by the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress on November 7, 2016 and was implemented on June 1, 2017

links:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/hua...ata-to-china-government-if-asked-experts.html

https://www.business-humanrights.or...comply-with-further-internet-censorship-rules

1. Are you saying Facebook and Twitter are total free from censorship? Who are you kidding?
2. You have a wild imagination. I just could not find the result by using your key words.
"any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work in accordance with the law," -----I don't see anything weird here. I believe any country has similar request in terms of national security. Do US companies have the right to refuse national security investigation? More importantly, it is far from your interpretation"requires any Chinese company, upon request, to hand over and assist in gathering all information for the purpose of intelligence gathering." Totally different meanings. So are you lying?

Here it the law:http://www.cac.gov.cn/2016-11/07/c_1119867116_3.htm

 

[rent4country]

Facebook and Twitter actively censor specific posts and ban users for opinions. Recently David Duke was banned despite never violating Twitter rules. They also promote specific political agendas domestically and abroad, these are ideological organisations and it doesn't support your assertion that these are free speech companies. Access to Facebook, Twitter and Google are not human rights. And these companies should be heavily regulated abroad.

Your point about the Chinese espionage law is complete hypocrisy, the US is guilty of the same things too and more egregiously than any other nation has done in the past.

You can wish a conspiracy, but facts tell otherwise.

David Duke is an open KKK and white supremacist sympathizer and leader. Twitter finally banned him from his endless racist views over the years (he was on the platform for years).

You are perhaps new to Twitter, but it's a platform where people set up their accounts. Twitter does not have its agenda or own accounts to promote any political agenda. It states that the content needs to meet universal decency laws and criminal laws.

There is no requirement of free speech within the US private companies. This website is hosted within an American data center. Try to tell the ownership you have free speech rights here and test out the response.

Finally, please show us any US law that requires all US private organizations to give up and share all user data upon request.

 

[TheTruth]

Wow, I was building up some sympathy for Americans because 155,000 died of coronavirus but now I will just watch that number climb to 250,000 or 300,000 and just not give a shit.

US members of this forum have shown that they are utterly vile. Watching with interest as US GDP continues to contract.

Hope Chinese members here will boycott US products. US sells half a trillion in China a year, what on earth are you guys doing?

 

[TheTruth]

As I said Poobah, China will continue to play second fiddle to the United States. China is the 9.92 Olympic sprinter who is not quite good enough to compete with the 9.7-9.8 Gold medalist. World class, but not good enough to stack up with the very best.

HAHAHAHAHA

It's hilarious that you actually think this. Lets see what you say in 4 years when what every real China watcher knew years ago becomes undeniably true.

 

[kankan326]

You can wish a conspiracy, but facts tell otherwise.

David Duke is an open KKK and white supremacist sympathizer and leader. Twitter finally banned him from his endless racist views over the years (he was on the platform for years).

You are perhaps new to Twitter, but it's a platform where people set up their accounts. Twitter does not have its agenda or own accounts to promote any political agenda. It states that the content needs to meet universal decency laws and criminal laws.

There is no requirement of free speech within the US private companies. This website is hosted within an American data center. Try to tell the ownership you have free speech rights here and test out the response.

Finally, please show us any US law that requires all US private organizations to give up and share all user data upon request.

No more excuses. American police choking the black man video was released via Tik tok. And the video was blocked by Facebook and Tiwtter very soon. And in Syria and Xinjiang Facebook and Tiwtter supported anti government rebels and rioters.

 

[rent4country]

1. Are you saying Facebook and Twitter are total free from censorship? Who are kidding?
2. You have a wild imagination. I just could not find the result by using your key words.
"any organization or citizen shall support, assist and cooperate with the state intelligence work in accordance with the law," -----I don't see anything weird here. I believe any country has similar request in terms of national security. Do US companies have the right to refuse national security investigation? More importantly, it is far from"requires any Chinese company, upon request, to hand over and assist in gathering all information for the purpose of intelligence gathering." Totally different means. So are you lying?

Here it the law:http://www.cac.gov.cn/2016-11/07/c_1119867116_3.htm

1. I said indecency and criminal activities are censored, and in some countries, content that a govt requests to takedown are adhered to by these platforms. You come from a country where extreme censorship is deployed. Whats's your point- who are you kidding?

2. It does not matter what your interpretation is of the law; what only matters is what the rest of the world interprets it as being. You are arguing about something you did not previously know and insisting that it does not exist. That link and argument are not going to get Chinese tech companies back into the other government's favor. The link I provided you had those words, perhaps you are banned from viewing it. I have shared an image from the article

 

[TheTruth]

1. I said indecency and criminal activities are censored, and in some countries, content that a govt requests to takedown are adhered to by these platforms. You come from a country where extreme censorship is deployed. Whats's your point- who are you kidding?

2. It does not matter what your interpretation is of the law; what only matters is what the rest of the world interprets it as being. You are arguing about something you did not previously know and insisting that it does not exist. That link and argument are not going to get Chinese tech companies back into the other government's favor. The link I provided you had those words, perhaps you are banned from viewing it. I have shared an image from the articleView attachment 658261

The US was more subtle about this. All US tech companies are terrorist facilitators and spies for the US but it's hard to pin point where this directive comes from, which is a combination of back-room threats, white supremacism/nationalism and bribes.

 

[TruthHurtz]

You can wish a conspiracy, but facts tell otherwise.

David Duke is an open KKK and white supremacist sympathizer and leader. Twitter finally banned him from his endless racist views over the years (he was on the platform for years).

You are perhaps new to Twitter, but it's a platform where people set up their accounts. Twitter does not have its agenda or own accounts to promote any political agenda. It states that the content needs to meet universal decency laws and criminal laws.

There is no requirement of free speech within the US private companies. This website is hosted within an American data center. Try to tell the ownership you have free speech rights here and test out the response.

Finally, please show us any US law that requires all US private organizations to give up and share all user data upon request.

It doesn't matter, that's not an excuse. He should've been protected by his 1st amendment rights but wasn't, he neither harassed, called for violence or violated any of Twitter's policies. He merely expressed his views on race and religion, people were free to block his account if they didn't like his views. By agreeing with this you essentially proved my point, social media companies aren't free speech platforms and neither is the US (anymore). As such you're a hypocrite because you believe in conditional speech, not free speech absolutism.

The fact is that social media controls public discourse. You can no longer go out into the town square and express your opinion with a megaphone because it's an inadequate and outdated form of expression. Twitter, Facebook and Google, with their hundreds of millions of users have a duty to respect freedom of expression outlined in the American constitution. Censoring speech you don't like leads to violent outcomes like mass shootings and terror attacks because when people can no longer resolve problems through communication, they result to violence because it's the only way to get their message heard.

It's public knowledge that these social media companies violate data protection laws and share it with US intelligence, I don't need to spoon feed you specific examples when everything was laid out to the world during the Snowden leaks.

 

[kankan326]

1. I said indecency and criminal activities are censored, and in some countries, content that a govt requests to takedown are adhered to by these platforms. You come from a country where extreme censorship is deployed. Whats's your point- who are you kidding?

2. It does not matter what your interpretation is of the law; what only matters is what the rest of the world interprets it as being. You are arguing about something you did not previously know and insisting that it does not exist. That link and argument are not going to get Chinese tech companies back into the other government's favor. The link I provided you had those words, perhaps you are banned from viewing it. I have shared an image from the articleView attachment 658261

1, Check #99
2, It's not "the rest world interprets". More accurately it's US interpretation. Chinese law asks companies passively cooperate government when necessary. US interpretation is "Chinese companies actively gathering information for Chinese government."
I have one question: Do US companies have the right to refuse cooperation with US government in term of national security? If not, why double standards?

 

[rent4country]

No more excuses. American police choking the black man video was released via Tik tok. And the video was blocked by Facebook and Tiwtter very soon. And in Syria and Xinjiang Facebook and Tiwtter supported anti government rebels and rioters.

Look, I get your frustration because you grow up in an environment where you are fed extremely restricted content along with intense propaganda about the world outside. Ask a Chinese American here if any of those platforms blocked the George Floyd video. That video is was all over Twitter, Facebook, US media and TV channels.

Twitter did not support anyone in Xinjiang, where hundreds of thousands of Muslims are being tortured and put into labor camps. It's the Chinese people who put up their content on those platforms once they smuggle it out of China. Twitter does not create and put out the content. In Syria, it was Syrian people who put up the content.

 

[rent4country]

1, Check #99
2, It's not "the rest world interprets". More accurately is US interpretation. Chinese law asks companies passively cooperate government when necessary. US interpretation is "Chinese companies actively gathering information for Chinese government."
I have one question: Do US companies have the right to refuse cooperation with US government in term of national security? If not, why double standards?

1 This is going nowhere with you, and I have stated indecent and criminal content is censored.

2. Your spin and interpretation ultimately do not matter, or if you think only the US interprets it as such. We see all these countries pushing back on Chinese tech and apps and use similar concerns as of the United States of America.

Yes, in the US, any company can refuse to give up user data. Govt has to go to the courts to prove its case, and then too; they have to prove their case, one user, at a time. Unlike your law, that is CCP edict with no legal alternatives.
Link: US Companies that protect ser private data from the US govt.