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[R Wing]

I know this for sure:
OBL was living in Pakistan under the protection of some Pakistanis for a long time (5+ years). All the news report about living in Afghanistan, caves and tribal borderlands was bullshit. The CIA or some American agency found out his location. US military killed him in a special forces raid

I do not know of any reason why Pakistani army generals would go along with US raid on OBL

How do you "know" this?

American govt claims? Tell-all memoires? NYT op-eds?

The US and its zombies "knew" Iraq had WMDs --- oops. The Gulf of Tonkin was a manufactured incident. False flags and other such trickery is a part of statecraft and intelligence.

We actually don't know anything.

As to your closing statement, the corrupt military leadership of Pakistan at the time had to choose between publicly acknowledging cooperation with the US (or tacit approval, at the very least) --- not easy in a part of the world where the US is, for some legitimate reasons, also considered a huge terror entity --- OR feigning incompetence. Tough call --- they unfortunately chose the latter and made the entire defense establishment look like a bunch of sleeping fools. Today, both the then-COAS and then-DG ISI are ridiculed and not respected in almost all current military circles.

 

[Chakar The Great]

India is just propaganda. Poor and fake.

 

[nahtanbob]

I believe this is a simplistic view. There are a lot of political and religious dynamics within the population that will invoke a response leading towards chaos in the country if "20 so called fat policemen" would have done the action vs a super well exercised foreign individuals who will fly away and who no one can lay their hands on once the deed is done.

I think that OBL was no longer of use in the regional play for either local parties and global party (as the power dynamics have moved on to others), so it was a good time to put the feather in the cap and move on.

For me there are a lot of things that makes less sense (about this operation) due to the veiled facts that may never come out, due to security reasons.

If OBL is of no longer of any use the powers in charge should have taken him and dumped him in an unmarked grave and moved on

 

[nahtanbob]

How do you "know" this?

American govt claims? Tell-all memoires? NYT op-eds?

The US and its zombies "knew" Iraq had WMDs --- oops. The Gulf of Tonkin was a manufactured incident. False flags and other such trickery is a part of statecraft and intelligence.

We actually don't know anything.

As to your closing statement, the corrupt military leadership of Pakistan at the time had to choose between publicly acknowledging cooperation with the US (or tacit approval, at the very least) --- not easy in a part of the world where the US is, for some legitimate reasons, also considered a huge terror entity --- OR feigning incompetence. Tough call --- they unfortunately chose the latter and made the entire defense establishment look like a bunch of sleeping fools. Today, both the then-COAS and then-DG ISI are ridiculed and not respected in almost all current military circles.

I never believed Iraq had WMDs. They were bombed in 1991 and were under strict sanctions after 1991 war.

You have no problem allowing US drones to kill scores of people, You have no problem allowing supply convoys for NATO forces in Afghanistan. You have no problem allowing US agents monitor entry/exit points at Pakistani airports. Yet I am supposed to believe handing OBL to USA is a big issue. Pakistani public could care less. They would line up for a $25 million bounty on OBL head. I would not be surprised if Pakistani security official betrayed OBL to the CIA.

The only reason I can think of not handing OBL to USA is if the Pakistani state colluded with him in the past or if you wanted to keep OBL as a bargaining chip with USA or KSA. in the future This scenario makes more sense than others.

If the Pakistani state did not want any nexus with terrorists they would have quietly dumped his body in unmarked grave and moved on. It takes 20 fat policemen to do that.

 

[CodeforFood]

If OBL is of no longer of any use the powers in charge should have taken him and dumped him in an unmarked grave and moved on

He was a symbol that needed to be taken out as a sign of success. I don't think his death changed anything from the stand point of overall working of these "organizations activities". So yes he was of no use for any of the parties in the play other than showing that we have reached a milestone (by killing him).