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TOKYO/BEIJING (Reuters) - Japan has ordered geological survey ships to prepare for possible deployment to the East China Sea after it detected Chinese drilling near the disputed maritime border, a source with direct knowledge of the order told Reuters on Thursday.

A plan by Chinese state-run oil firms to dramatically expand gas drilling in the disputed East China Sea, which threatens to further damage ties between Asia's two biggest economies, was first reported by Reuters on Wednesday.

In a possible sign of brinkmanship, Japanese survey ships, if deployed, would operate "right up to the median line", which is the disputed maritime boundary with China, said the senior Japanese source who declined to be identified due to the sensitivity of the issue.

Tension over the East China Sea has escalated this year, with China and Japan scrambling fighter jets and ordering patrol ships to shadow each other, raising fear that a miscalculation could lead to a broader clash.

The Japan Oil, Gas and Metals National Corporation (JOGMEC) has been ordered to put both its survey ships on standby and to prepare to deploy without any foreign members of staff on board, said the source.

A spokesman at JOGMEC referred inquiries to the government when asked about the possible deployment.

The Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, which gave the order, according to the source, also declined to comment. The ministry would normally be in charge of such deployments.

On Thursday, Japan again warned China not to expand gas exploration in the disputed area. China had slowed exploration in the East China Sea but is now rapidly expanding its hunt for gas, a cheaper and cleaner energy to coal and oil imports.

"If the Chinese side is to proceed unilaterally with development in the area over which there are conflicting claims, Japan would never accept it," Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told a regular news conference on Thursday.

Japan seemed to be taken by surprise at the news that Chinese oil firms would soon ask Beijing to approve seven new gas fields in the East China Sea under a $5 billion expansion plan.

"We are going to closely watch the Chinese side's reaction to the concerns expressed by our side through diplomatic channels and we will think about our next step," said a spokeswoman in Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's office when asked about any possible deployment.

JOGMEC has two survey ships, the Shigen and the Hakurei. The Shigen is off the coast of Hokkaido in northern Japan and would take about a week to reach the East China Sea, said the source. The Hakurei is in Okinawa, not far from the disputed zone.

'DANGEROUS POLITICS'

Two of China's top newspapers accused Abe on Thursday of dangerous politics that could threaten regional security.

The People's Liberation Army Daily said Abe was trying to play the "China threat", to win votes in upper house of parliament elections on Sunday, with a visit this week to Japan's southern island of Ishigaki, near islets claimed by both China and Japan.

Rival territorial claims between China and Japan over the uninhabited islets and resource-rich waters in the East China Sea, and between China and other neighbors in the South China Sea, are among Asia's biggest security risks.

During the visit to Ishigaki island, Abe repeated Japan's stand that the nearby disputed Senkaku islands, called the Diaoyu by China, are inherent Japanese territory, adding that he has no intention of conceding even one step.

"This kind of 'drinking poison to slake ones thirst' not only threatens regional stability, it gives encouragement to Japan's 'turn to the right'," the Chinese newspaper said.

Abe wants to revise Japan's constitution, drafted by the United States after World War Two, to formalize the country's right to have a military. Critics say his plan could return Japan to a conservative, authoritarian past.

The People's Liberation Army Daily said Abe could not have chosen a worse time to visit Ishigaki, 160 km (100 miles) from the uninhabited islets the two nations contest.

"You cannot criticize a national leader for visiting his country's own territory but in a situation where the dispute over the Diaoyu Islands is continuing and the situation is complex and sensitive, Abe's actions are doubtless extremely dangerous and irresponsible," the paper, the official publication of China's military, said in a commentary.

The ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily warned that China would never allow itself to be trampled on again, a reference to China's bitter memories of Japan's invasion and occupation of the country, before and during World War Two.

In a commentary published under the pen name "Zhong Sheng", or "voice of China", the newspaper said Abe was looking for excuses to re-arm Japan and that the dispute with China was a convenient way of pushing that goal.

"The aim is to create tension and provoke incidents, to push Japan's military development," it said.

On Thursday, three Chinese surveillance vessels sailed into what Japan considers its territorial waters near the isles on what Beijing said was a routine patrol. The Japan Coast Guard said the ships later left its territorial waters.

(Additional reporting by James Topham, Elaine Lies, Kiyoshi Takenaka, Linda Sieg and Antoni Slodkowski in TOKYO; Editing by Michael Perry and Robert Birsel)

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Yahoo Comments:

Bill - Get ready to see 'BREAKING NEWS' come across your TV screen. Unlike China, Japan has no natural resources. They will fight if they think China is trying to take something they view as theirs.

Mick - Get ready. Fasten your seat belts. If you thought the middle east to be a wild ride, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Marillion - But both China, Japan (and every ASEAN nation except Cambodia) have signed and ratified the UNCLOS maritime boundary treaty. Yet, they do not seem to want to use that avenue. Instead, they rather the rant and rave approach.

WayToGo - Children, you both need to agree on a joint venture and share the gas, otherwise, there will be blood, money wasted, and no gas.

Politico - Interesting that China does not want Japan to rearm but itself is arming to the teeth. WWII is over. Japan has every right to arm itself to defend its interests. The US, having a new relation with China, may not intervene if China begins actions that are a military threat to Japan. That leaves Japan only one choice: to rearm with a new constitution. Japan's past is past and it cannot forever be used against it to rob it of its interests and natural resources. China is not only being greedy, but a bully not just against Japan but against other Asian nations. It shoiuld not forget, regardless of its population, it can still be hammered. The Vietnamese handed China a bloody lesson when it wanted to invade Vietnam after the US pulled out. The new government of Vietnam, like Japan, is in no mood to let China bully it or others. Just because it is called East China sea does not mean it belongs to China. It is international waters and the splitting of resources has to be done according to UN rules. If push comes to shove, there is no question where the US will be: on the side of Japan and Vietnam and other Asian countries that see China for what it is: a threatening bully.

Michael - Why doesn't China conduct a joint exploration with Japan and the other countries disputing this area? It would cool tensions all around and be one heck of an example to the rest of the world on cooperation instead of confrontation. Russia has started in that direction with their admonishment of Snowden.

Sorry the title should be "Exclusive - Japan survey ships prepare for deployment, tension with China rises"
 
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the situation reminds me a great movie.."There will be blood"..a movie about oil exploration..

by the way,If China isn't trying to make the situation worse,why the hell did they dig up a gas field in the disputed region??this "grab whatever you can find" attitude will make the situation worse...
 
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Could you explain why these fields are in a "disputed" area? I read news from some Japanese news agencies and can't understand their logic.

the situation reminds me a great movie.."There will be blood"..a movie about oil exploration..

by the way,If China isn't trying to make the situation worse,why the hell did they dig up a gas field in the disputed region??this "grab whatever you can find" attitude will make the situation worse...
 
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One thing I'd like to say about this article is that I doubt Japan is using the dispute as a reason to re-arm. Japan can rearm as much as they'd like but they won't win a war with China for obvious, geological reasons and they know that. Perhaps they want to show that they are a country that won't go down without a fight should a fight ever happen.

Could someone explain to me why the planned gas fields are in the disputed area?

Maybe they just want a reason to muscle flex?
 
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1) China proposed joint development awhile back with Japan but the latter is dragging her feet.

2) So China has been drilling on her side but Japan complains gas from her side might/probably inadvertently travels over China's side under the sea.

3) Now Chinese companies is asking permissions to drill more holes and Japan wants to do the same.
 
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Could you explain why these fields are in a "disputed" area? I read news from some Japanese news agencies and can't understand their logic.

well,its about the view..while china views almost all of SCS as theirs,other countries has different perceptions..
 
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I posted this article before and re-posted here.
China's East China Sea Gas Exploration Latest Flare-Up In Japan-China Senkaku/Diaoyu Island Dispute - Forbes

You can read this article. Abe lied again:

Prime Minister Abe Shinzo’s Liberal Democratic Party (LDP)/New Komeito (NK) coalition is certain to will a huge victory in the July 21 Diet House of Councillors election. Abe will surely win a majority of seats and could reach the two-thirds level that would facilitate his plan to amend Japan’s (U.S. written) “Peace Constitution.”

The election campaign is now in full swing throughout the country. In it we observe the strange but admirable phenomenon of abundant, almost excessive, media coverage being accorded leaders and candidates of fringe and obscure parties. These are labels that might now apply to all except the LDP/NK. The Democratic Party of Japan (DPJ) that ruled for three years until last December has imploded and retains a support level of only some 5%, below that of the Japan Communist Party.

Following the July 21 vote, Abe will have a relatively free hand to push through even the more controversial parts of his agenda, adumbrated in the LDP election “manifesto” summarized in the previous two posts.

But what may be the most fateful issue for Japan has been carefully played down by Abe, and even by the opposition parties, during the election. This is how or whether Japan can or should endeavor to unfreeze relations with China and resolve the Senkaku/Diaoyu island dispute.

The serious and increasingly dangerous rupture with China gained a new dimension–and regained the headlines–on July 5 when Abe, appearing on a Fuji Television program, expressed “deep regret” that China was moving undersea gas field exploration equipment into an area of the East China Sea “in violation of a bilateral agreement.” “I must ask China to honor our agreement,” said Abe.

Abe’s criticism produced a brief flutter of comment in the Japanese media, but was quickly passed over. In Beijing, however, there was a multi-day thunderstorm.

In this instance, as in so many others affecting Japan’s foreign relations–including with the U.S.–we are again witnessing from Abe a maladroitness bordering on incompetence. What is going on here?

The specific issue is Chinese exploration in a section of the East China Sea close to but not over a notional mid-point line (illustrated in the graphic above) that can be drawn longitudinally (roughly north to south) through a large area of ocean and seabed that both China and Japan claim as falling within their respective 200 mile “exclusive economic zones” (EEZ). After Abe’s statement, Chinese official media published maps and diagrams documenting that activity was taking place on the Chinese side of the “mid-point line,” and that China was perfectly within its rights.

A July 4 Nihon Keizai Shimbun article reported that on June 27 the second raking official in Japan’s foreign ministry delivered a formal diplomatic protest of China’s action to the Chinese ambassador to Japan. On July 3, Japan’s cabinet secretary, Suga Yoshihide, stressed to the press that “we will not recognize any unilateral development activities in sea areas where the two countries have overlapping claims.”

Anyone with a knowledge of Chinese negotiating style could have guessed what was coming next.

In response to Suga, on the same day, July 3, China’s deputy foreign ministry spokesman, Ms. Hua Chunying, announced to the press that “we are are conducting exploration activities in sea area under our own administration.” Further, she continued, China has never agreed to and does not recognize any so-called “mid-point line” (my italics). Therefore, “China rejects Japan’s protest.”

Ms. Hua was stating facts in denying that China had ever formally accepted the concept of a “mid-point line.” Formal acceptance would mean recognizing Japan’s EEZ claims. This will never happen, just as China will never formally recognize or accept Japan’s claims to the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands.

Hence Abe was telling a highly provocative untruth when he mentioned an “agreement” with China over exploration in the East China Sea.

But of course there is something more. In June 2008, Japanese and Chinese government negotiators reach tentative agreement that a Chinese gas field development project in the East China Sea called “Shirakaba” by Japan and “Chunxiao” by China should proceed based on Chinese law, but with capital provided by Japanese corporations. Agreement in principle was also reached to establish a joint development zone in a northern area that extended across the notional “mid-point line.” In these discussions both sides set aside the issue of their respective “exclusive economic zones.”

As it happened, the above tentative agreements were scheduled to be formalized in signed agreements in September 2010. However, when Japan-China political relations soured over the collision of a Chinese fishing vessel with a Japanese Coast Guard vessel, China asked for an indefinite postponement of the joint exploration agreement signing. Since then, and particularly as the Senkaku/Diaoyu island dispute has escalated, China has reverted to strict interpretation of and insistence on its EEZ rights.

It is classic Chinese negotiating style to escalate rhetoric (sometimes combined with histrionic gestures) and to elaborately link otherwise seemingly unrelated issues, to bring maximum pressure on the counterparty to make concessions. Subtlety is practiced only in obfuscating sources, not in the message or desired effect. A vivid example of the style was an article penned by “scholars” in the People’s Daily a few weeks ago that called into question Japan’s sovereign claim over Okinawa.

What is going on in the East China Sea is really about the Senkaku/Diaoyu island dispute and China’s determination not to de-escalate pressure for concessions from the Abe government. Abe is also under pressure from the Obama administration to show initiative in trying to resolve the issue, so that the U.S. can continue improving relations with China.

It is obvious that Abe is showing strain, and even reaching for straws, as he stumbles in foreign policy. The pressure on Abe from both Washington nor Beijing will only increase after July 21.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...evelopment-clear-violation.html#ixzz2ZR7ictMI


well,its about the view..while china views almost all of SCS as theirs,other countries has different perceptions..

Could you take a look of the article I posted below? Hope it can change your view a little bit.

the situation reminds me a great movie.."There will be blood"..a movie about oil exploration..

by the way,If China isn't trying to make the situation worse,why the hell did they dig up a gas field in the disputed region??this "grab whatever you can find" attitude will make the situation worse...
 
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the situation reminds me a great movie.."There will be blood"..a movie about oil exploration..

by the way,If China isn't trying to make the situation worse,why the hell did they dig up a gas field in the disputed region??this "grab whatever you can find" attitude will make the situation worse...

There is not a disputed region
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The disputed region between red line and blue line.
Point are gas fields. Japanese are crazy:omghaha:
 
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There is not a disputed region
433326_c450.jpg


The disputed region between red line and blue line.
Point are gas fields. Japanese are crazy:omghaha:

China's whole 9 dotted line is disputed....
what it should be....

EEZ-Claims.jpg


looks like the gas field is beyond your EEZ(in this map,either near Vietnam EEZ or the position where south China sea is written,can you post a clear map????and please point out the position in english..I can't read Chinese..
 
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Found this map.
Img382100002.jpg

can you please post whats the meaning of these chinese labels???please post a bigger map and point out really where is this points are..I think all the points are near/inside Vietnamese EEZ..please see my map in post #13..
 
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