Examining the impact of JF-17 Block 3 , Capability Enhancements for PAF

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well if we look at JF17 Platform as a defensive all purpose fighter Jet , Armed with BVR missiles , the plane is sufficient for our defensive needs. Having planes with necessary missiles up in Airspace is a great milestone.

However we have to work with advancement in aviation happening around us in various platforms and so it is natural to ask the Thunder platform also continues to evolve

Having Lesser fuel capacity just means perhaps we won't be venturing into certain long distance missions which is not the prominent requirement for PAF in first place. As we can send Missiles for those missions.

But after 10 years , of service , it is not bad idea to enhance all aspects of plane


Thunder can cover radius Range: 3,482 km and that is quite a distance

 

[denel]

Well if we look at JF17 Platform as a defensive all purpose fighter Jet , Armed with BVR missiles , the plane is sufficient for our defensive needs. Having planes with necessary missiles up in Airspace is a great milestone.

However we have to work with advancement in aviation happening around us in various platforms and so it is natural to ask the Thunder platform also continues to evolve

Having Lesser fuel capacity just means perhaps we won't be venturing into certain long distance missions which is not the prominent requirement for PAF in first place. As we can send Missiles for those missions.

But after 10 years , of service , it is not bad idea to enhance all aspects of plane


Thunder can cover radius and that is quite a distance
Range: 3,482 km

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no.... divide by 2. normally it is 25% less of max combat radius ... around 1200km but this is still questionable.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well it is just a general idea of how far the Thunder can outreach so it is serving the important defensive role 99.9% of time the Thunders stay in Pakistan's airspace. With 0.1 % participation in international shows

So it is easy to see that Thunders can safely cover every Territorial area of Pakistan and areas close to our national interest

 

[araz]

I didn't use the plural.

No because the OP is singular. As to blank space, there seems a lot between the two ears.
Iam out.
A

 

[MastanKhan]

Having Lesser fuel capacity just means perhaps we won't be venturing into certain long distance missions which is not the prominent requirement for PAF in first place. As we can send Missiles for those missions.
Thunder can cover radius Range: 3,482 km and that is quite a distance

Hi,

Man---you really are a TOTALLY CLUELESS poster---.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well range can be extended by friendly airports and air-air refueling

However the real requirement for JF17 THUNDER is to improve it's competitive nature vs
Same generation platform i.e F16 , F18, F15

Comparing it to Rafale/ Typhoon/Sukhoi is premature but at least we should have comparable performance matrices similar to F16 C/D or E/F or F18 or F15


> Improvement in Thrust power i.e Acceleration to reach top speed Engine
> Improved Avionics package (Radar / Helmet)
> Greater fuel capacity (Low requirement) , and more weight carrying ability


Physical performance characteristics for Block 3 , we should certainly ask such request because it has been 10 years so our expectations are naturally higher now

<<<BLOCK 3>>> will have to be defecto !!! Premiere Offering

Note the twin engines above have more combined value for Thrust​

 

[jupiter2007]

Block 3 which won't be ready until 2019 or 2020 should be re-branded as Block 4. Why? Because PAF is building a new squadron of JF-17's for 2018-2019, right?

So it doesn't make sense to build a new squadron in 2018 with Block 2's when the newer JF-17B two-seat version exist. Why not build a single-seat version of the JF-17B to fill the gap for 2018-2019 & re-brand it as the Block 3?

Mostly likely block 1 will be upgraded to block 2 or may be few JF-17B in 2018.
JF-17 block 3 mockup will be build in 2019.

 

[Taygibay]

OK, that's enough!
AzadP mate, 100% for your enthusiasm
but you're worst than Trump as for truth.

In that post 36 above,
Fuel load without SFC,
Speed without profile
but there is worse :

What exactly is the unit for mass measurement in that graph?
Because the Rafale's MTOW is 24.5 t or 54, 000 lbs; not 32k?
Check : https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/rafale/specifications-and-performance-data/
​

Your numbers are mostly wrong making
any assumption you try to extrapolate
from them, no matter how well intended, wild
and to be brutally honest, quite useless.

Sorry kiddo, just spend more time researching
before forming an opinion and it will fix itself.

In the meanwhile, have a great day, Tay.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Certainly a great add what you shared
Max. take-off weight 24.5 t (54,000 lbs)

So it does still showcases that F18 Hornet / Rafale / Typhoon have some close physical performance characteristics

Which makes more sense , twin engine , more greater power to push / lift more weight at tack offs , more weight = more missiles and bombs


So it seems while we bench mark every thing we do on F16 the world is bench marking it's platforms on the top tier planes to try to make it close as possible to those level

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

On a positive Note Pakistan will always have more choices if that happens

JF17 Block 3
> Other options such as improved J10
> Possible consideration for stealth platform (local or from China)

(Note the delata concept wing here is too small will have to be made bigger to fit missiles but this is a artist's concept)

The delta wing concept is certainly a possible enhancement
Considering there is research funding designated for either

a) Twin engine
b) Or Delta Wing

Anything is possible but remains to be seen what the PAF is planning they have hinted many times for the Stealth platform

We already know how to make Delta Wings and mods

 

[Hammad ur Rehman]

Block 3 airframe may be based upon JF-17B less the dual seat.

AESA Radar is a given
May be uprated engines
15-20% higher internal fuel
4-4,500 kg payload
extra hard point on wings
IRST / EOTS ???
Flushed antennas
Some information integration softwares of 5th gen system
Semi-retractable IFR of like Tornado

 

[GriffinsRule]

Block 3 airframe may be based upon JF-17B less the dual seat.

AESA Radar is a given
May be uprated engines
15-20% higher internal fuel
4-4,500 kg payload
extra hard point on wings
IRST / EOTS ???
Flushed antennas
Some information integration softwares of 5th gen system
Semi-retractable IFR of like Tornado

AESA Radar is a given - Likely, hence the delay
May be uprated engines - Unlikely in the time frame and no indication of it from PAF
15-20% higher internal fuel - Assumption based on the air frame being the same as JF-17B
4-4,500 kg payload
extra hard point on wings - If the wing is the same, no extra hard points will be coming
IRST / EOTS ??? - Not going to happen ... if podded IRST, takes up extra hard point with little benefit
Flushed antennas - Assumption, its not a LO platform
Some information integration softwares of 5th gen system - Likely as its avionics will be newer
Semi-retractable IFR of like Tornado[/QUOTE] - Assumption, not going to happen due to engineering/space limitation and not required

Can we rename this thread as a fantasy world of JF-17 improvements?

 

[Arsalan 345]

Block 3 is important for pakistan.we need to raise more squadrons and retire the existing old fleet.i think China is more than a friend.they help us in difficult times.i suggest paf to make this fighter jets until block 4 and than focus on 5th generation program.before starting any 5th generation program,we must fund research department so that they understand how to make new advance planes.5th generation will not come without the help of Chinese expertise.all in all, I want paf to create to a road map to replace old fighter jets and also start new projects of making air bases in Balochistan Sindh and near afghan Pakistan border.we need more air bases.after developing advance fighter jets,Pakistan should sell all f-16s to some other country.we know america.they will never provide any logistic support in case of war with India.we must better get rid of all f-16s.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Can we rename this thread as a fantasy world of JF-17 improvements?

Imagination is more important than knowledge - Albert Einstein

 

[Ultima Thule]

Block three will most likely be the same airframe as now

Same engine

Same range and load

The improvement will be

Cockpit IE better radar and ew suites
Hmd and new hobs missile capability

Maybe some composite material to airframe

To change A-frame or add new engines or increase size costs hundreds of millions and takes five to eight years of flight testing .

For China they seem to be spending their real time and effort on

J20
J31
J11
J10.

China has never hinted at ever needing a jf17 to date .

If it's block 3 is better than USA f16 which some. Claim that's rather strange

AESA radar
Maybe IRST
UPGRADED AVIONICS may be from j10
Weapons loads comparable to JF-17B 4000 - 4500 kg
More COMPOSITE as compare to blk1-2
New engine RD-93MA - WS-13E
Its a same class in GRIPPEN-E/F latest version of FCK and Korean F/A 50,only immature fanboys on PDF comparing it for latest block of F-16 blk-52 but avionics wise is certainly better than all blocks of F-16 with a exception of F-16 E/F and remember that those jets are in a different categories JF-17 sits in light weight category whereas F-16 stand on medium weight category

On a positive Note Pakistan will always have more choices if that happens

JF17 Block 3
> Other options such as improved J10
> Possible consideration for stealth platform (local or from China)

(Note the delata concept wing here is too small will have to be made bigger to fit missiles but this is a artist's concept)

The delta wing concept is certainly a possible enhancement
Considering there is research funding designated for either

a) Twin engine
b) Or Delta Wing

Anything is possible but remains to be seen what the PAF is planning they have hinted many times for the Stealth platform

We already know how to make Delta Wings and mods

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 you lives in too much your false wishful thinking/assumptions/superstitions we have no mature aircraft industries not even close to even india lets forget China/West/Russia
This thread should be closed @The Eagle , @waz please close this useless thread thanks