Ex general released from prison

[Irfan Baloch]

Tried many times, its of no use. I learned that long time ago, Moderation is nothing but a bunch of cry babies who will ban you if you don't agree with them.


Why are you crying? we are free to follow whoever we want, you are moderator who act on reports, we are not bound to follow what BS you follow, so stop telling people who to follow or who to believe. Don't become Indian gutter chaap forum which has no quality.


yeah and I am Genghis Khan reincarnate, you could be a Patwari sitting behind PC faking to be a Fauji, but even though I don't give a %%%$ to who you are and if you get shot or stab, nobody cares man. Just stop being a cry baby, people are free to criticize Army, express their opinion and discuss things, even Moderators here troll many posters so first start the accountability from within yourself.

I am really sorry I suspected you were little man child.
but you are kingkong.

 

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‘Court-martialled’ general continues legal battle to clear his name​

ISLAMABAD: A retired general convicted of sharing ‘classified information’ with foreign spies has been pardoned by the new military leadership and released from prison.
However, he still plans to continue challenging the guilty verdict, awarded to him by an army tribunal until he is honourably acquitted, his lawyer told Dawn on Saturday.
Lt Gen retired Javed Iqbal was released from Rawalpindi’s Adiala Jail on Dec 29 after the new military leadership reviewed his case soon after taking charge and, according to his lawyer Omer Farouk Adam, “realised the injustice done to him” by the previous command.
Gen Iqbal was awarded 14-years rigorous imprisonment by Field General Court Martial (FGCM) — a life term in Pakistan — on May 30, 2019 after being convicted of “espionage/leakage of sensitive information to foreign agencies prejudicial to the national security”, but eventually came out of jail after four years.




The 14-year sentence was commuted by the appellate authority by seven years, in May 2021. Later, former army chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa further reduced the sentence by another two and a half years just before his departure from GHQ.


The jailed general was, therefore, scheduled to be freed on May 29 this year, but the new Army Chief Gen Asim Munir finished the sentence completely, paving the way for his early release.


Gen Iqbal has been pursuing a separate petition in the Lahore High Court since 2021, in which he has appealed for setting aside his conviction by the FGCM for being “coram non judice, without jurisdiction, and suffering from mala fides including malice in law and fact,” according to a copy of his appeal that is being heard by the court.


His counsel, Adam, says nearly a dozen hearings have been held by the court without much headway. He vows to press ahead with the appeal and is hopeful that his client would eventually get justice.


The next hearing in Gen Iqbal’s appeal is set for the end of this month.


Commenting on the pardoning of Gen Iqbal by Gen Munir, the lawyer said: “It’s a good start, but not acceptable. He must be acquitted of all malicious and malafide allegations.”


Mr Adam said his client was determined to continue fighting for an “honorable acquittal”.


Gen Iqbal’s conviction on espionage-related charges and sentencing was almost unprecedented for a three-star retired military officer, and more so for someone who had held key appointments, including director-general of military operations, adjutant-general, and corps commander.


He had also led the military’s internal probe into the US special forces’ raid in Abbottabad in 2011 in which Al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden was killed.


While announcing the sentence, the army had neither disclosed what secrets he had allegedly divulged to foreign spies, nor identified the foreign agency.


Gen Iqbal’s engagements with Americans, which ultimately landed him in trouble, allegedly started when he was approached by Ryan Kessler from Gaming Company Take-II during a visit to US after retirement and engaged as a consultant in 2016.


However, his involvement came to an end after he objected to plans for showing US forces thwarting an attempt to smuggle nuclear material through Karachi port.


He is alleged to have subsequently come in contact with two other individuals, one from the Harvard Group and someone who worked for the US National Security Adviser’s office.


The latter got in touch with him in 2018, and the general is said to have conveyed these engagements to Gen Bajwa. He was never granted a subsequent audience with the army chief and taken into custody on Dec 5, 2018.


After investigations, Gen Iqbal was charged under Section 3 of Official Secrets Act and Section 59 of Army Act, 1952 and court martial proceedings were initiated against him.


The allegations against him included sharing his career profile; disclosing the SPD deals with fissile material; explaining the selection process for the appointment of the army chief; detailing how the army channels its advice to the government and elaborating the National Security Committee’s composition; talking about Pakistani role in military operations in Afghanistan; divulging plans to erect fence on border with Afghanistan; revealing that a joint training exercise had been held with Russia and sharing information about negotiations with Russia for acquisition of military equipment, especially gunship helicopters; giving details of deployment of an infantry brigade at Gwadar for security of Chinese and CPEC and army’s involvement in CPEC security.


In his communications, he was also said to have told the Americans that UAE and KSA provided funds for the rehabilitation of militancy-hit areas of KP province; and that US assistance was going to the government instead of directly reaching the armed forces.


Moreover, he allegedly informed them how the military funded its welfare programmes for veterans through Fauji Foundation/Army Welfare Trust (AWT).


ISPR did not comment on the matter.

‘Court-martialled’ general continues legal battle to clear his name

Lt Gen retired Javed Iqbal was released on Dec 29 after the new military leadership reviewed his case soon after taking charge.

www.dawn.com

 

[Goritoes]

I am really sorry I suspected you were little man child.
but you are kingkong.

Apology accepted

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

sadly the Pak military hatred is so blinding that people are willing to eat any shit that is thrown at them just to express their hatred.

That is to be expected when people feel so betrayed by an institution that has engaged in constitutional violations, political persecution and political engineering.

Until the Army/military demonstrably fixes itself, why should it be given any respect?

How are people supposed to know whether Gen. Javed Iqbal was innocent and victimized by Bajwa over personal grudges?

On the surface it looks like the Army just pardoned a convicted general, with no detailed formal statement and clarification on what drove the initial conviction and court martial and what new facts drove the pardon.

If the answer is as simple as ‘Bajwa victimized Iqbal’, then the Army needs to hold everyone involved responsible by conducting a transparent investigation, trial and punishment.

This cloak and dagger stuff is not going to fly any more. Either Army becomes transparent and gets out of the political manipulation business or be prepared to have each and every decision it takes questioned and ridicule thrown its way.

 

[Olympus81]

Looks like the army’s justice is as good as it’s civilian counterpart.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That is to be expected when people feel so betrayed by an institution that has engaged in constitutional violations, political persecution and political engineering.

Until the Army/military demonstrably fixes itself, why should it be given any respect?

How are people supposed to know whether Gen. Javed Iqbal was innocent and victimized by Bajwa over personal grudges?

On the surface it looks like the Army just pardoned a convicted general, with no detailed formal statement and clarification on what drove the initial conviction and court martial and what new facts drove the pardon.

If the answer is as simple as ‘Bajwa victimized Iqbal’, then the Army needs to hold everyone involved responsible by conducting a transparent investigation, trial and punishment.

This cloak and dagger stuff is not going to fly any more. Either Army becomes transparent and gets out of the political manipulation business or be prepared to have each and every decision it takes questioned and ridicule thrown its way.

NO
using Insults as a response to my posts is not something should be a norm.
these potty mouth posters use abuses as an argument to anything that doesn't match their narrative.
why it should be expected that people who have connection with the military directly or indirectly should be subjected to their mothers being called whores and they being called bastards?

this is why I am calling it cult following. its not support. its madness. supporting or defending the indefensible is not even an issue here . I have yet to see one single post supporting or praising Gen Bajwa.
my request is that at least use the correct charge and stay factual before starting a rant on the army. that will make such criticism more legitimate and appealing. could understand if the shock of loosing Imran was new. its been how long now? about 8 months? even those who lose their loved ones end their mourning and get on with their lives.
check out my content where I have repeatedly asked those abusive posters to calm down and be civil but to no avail

I request all pro PTI moderators and Think tanks to bring some decency to the discussions. please join this political discourse and bring those blowhards under control. please use your post above in that thread so that we can talk about this in open forum and show alternative way to disagree gracefully.

other than that, you can bet that every thread that is started then follows with one liners like
Bastard Generals ... this, GHQ boot lickers that, .. Bastard sell out army this. ...sons of dirty mothers .. bastards.. and so forth,
the least you can do is bring up the quality bar of pro PTI posts...

I am going to make this request in think thank group as well.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

USA USA USA.................!!!

 

[RescueRanger]

Sorry I’ve not had much time to catch up with threads owing to work and having shitty internet access where I am.

May I please politely request members to keep the “abuse” to a minimum and let’s have some decorum here please.

To quote my favourite Indian General:

So please friends, let’s keep it civil.

 

[SIPRA]

So please friends, let’s keep it civil.

Why, if the answer, to the question of great General Bakshi, is in affirmative?

 

[Goritoes]

Sorry I’ve not had much time to catch up with threads owing to work and having shitty internet access where I am.

May I please politely request members to keep the “abuse” to a minimum and let’s have some decorum here please.

To quote my favourite Indian General:

So please friends, let’s keep it civil.

I've been asking the same thing for our GHQ (Samjhdaar ko ishara kafi hai).

 

[Jazzbot]

that general got into trouble for speaking up against Gen Bajwa and Gen Bajwa is known to keep grudges against people.

the spying charges against him were very flimsy it was apparently an online scenario game where he was invited as an analyst or advisor something similar we shared on our forum,
he claims he even got the clearance to be part of that and in the end he didn't participate but this was enough to use as a reason to punish him. the JAGs branch of GHQ knew that they didnt have valid case against him and it was just a matter of time once Gen bajwa had left that the appeal was to be made to COAS and allow a review.

 

[mourning sage]

Khan saaab, please

his case is different. general or no general . there is no leniency. generals sons are drummed out of PMA on the last day for misconduct. rank is no protection if the charges are real.
the media reporting is pathetic. he was punished for a policy violation for writing an article and participating in a meeting with international think tank. his case is in no way related to the other two guys.

how do I know? a friends son is Lt col in JAGs branch and has dealt with the case it was filed for review few times but previous leadership didn't allow it. as far as I know he fell off with Gen Bajwa and his carelessness gave the vengeful Gen Bajwa an opportunity.
do Watch Haider Mehdis' (former army officer now in Canada) blogs he will tell you in detail how mean spirited vengeful Gen Bajwa is because he and his family has personally suffered Gen Bajwa revenge.



there are no angels in GHQ but we must put hatred aside and criticize only where the criticism is valid.

DM me and we can talk over it in detail.

you are fighting a lost battle. In today's age of information and media warfare, losing the trust of a nation will not be easy to recover from. The seething rage for the uniform that public now has does not see reason. Thats where the GHQ has landed with the public and it's a choice it made deliberately, and a choice it chooses to make every single day.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

using Insults as a response to my posts is not something should be a norm.
these potty mouth posters use abuses as an argument to anything that doesn't match their narrative.
why it should be expected that people who have connection with the military directly or indirectly should be subjected to their mothers being called whores and they being called bastards?

I was not at any point defending the use of abuse/expletives against you or any other member (staff or regular).

In general I would like to strongly suggest that members not use expletives in their posts because it reduces the quality of discourse. However, criticism of the institution and the occasional use of abuse towards the Army and Army leadership is not some massive issue - that should not, however, extend to members who are pro-Army and/or who have familial or other links within the Army.

People are frustrated, angry and betrayed - the occasional use of abuse towards the Army/Army leadership is not that critical of an issue - it should NOT be directed at other members, irrespective of their views.

Personally, I believe we all need to move away from trying to paint people we disagree with as pro-Army, pro-PTI, pro-PMLN etc etc.

Criticize the Army or any other political party (the Army is basically a corrupt, violent political party that leans on autocratic measures to retain influence), but not other members.

its been how long now? about 8 months?

And has the corrupt, treasonous Army leadership fixed itself or the mess it created?

No.

So why should anyone back off? If anything, criticism of this parasitic institution needs to increase many fold until its leadership is forced to accept that they are public servants beholden to the elected government and the citizens of the country.

 

[doorstar]

that should not, however, extend to members who are pro-Army and/or who have familial or other links within the Army.

oh really?
- https://defence.pk/pdf/posts/14143756
- https://defence.pk/pdf/posts/14147037

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And has the corrupt, treasonous Army leadership fixed itself or the mess it created?

yeah! Army should not serve the gormint of the day but a particular Party/imam/khalifa/supreme leader like in China arabia. BD and persia

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I was not at any point defending the use of abuse/expletives against you or any other member (staff or regular).

In general I would like to strongly suggest that members not use expletives in their posts because it reduces the quality of discourse. However, criticism of the institution and the occasional use of abuse towards the Army and Army leadership is not some massive issue - that should not, however, extend to members who are pro-Army and/or who have familial or other links within the Army.

People are frustrated, angry and betrayed - the occasional use of abuse towards the Army/Army leadership is not that critical of an issue - it should NOT be directed at other members, irrespective of their views.

Personally, I believe we all need to move away from trying to paint people we disagree with as pro-Army, pro-PTI, pro-PMLN etc etc.

Criticize the Army or any other political party (the Army is basically a corrupt, violent political party that leans on autocratic measures to retain influence), but not other members.


And has the corrupt, treasonous Army leadership fixed itself or the mess it created?

No.

So why should anyone back off? If anything, criticism of this parasitic institution needs to increase many fold until its leadership is forced to accept that they are public servants beholden to the elected government and the citizens of the country.

awesome post.
now that's how one conducts himself while disagreeing.


let's carry this on I will clarify for the sake of what I said before and adress your points.