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[sword1947]

In ASEAN, you have no friends. Countries may be neutral to you, but none are over bearingly positive to you. But you do have big enemies.

Also, almost all major ASEAN countries reject, especially surrounding the SCS, don't like your reclamation activities. One has also to see his neighborhood. Also, the Americans are so good at PR/Propaganda, that they can immediately turn a lot of perception. Don't underestimate America.

It is a comprehensive power. Economically, Militarily, Politically, Diplomatically, Technologically, and Culturally.



There is a reason that US has so many allies, mutual defense treaties, and to top that, the quality of those countries is very high. Not like North Korea.

definitely wrong in first sentence, you just forget your neighborhood.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

definitely wrong in first sentence, you just forget your neighborhood.

What?

 

[TheTruth]

In ASEAN, you have no friends. Countries may be neutral to you, but none are over bearingly positive to you. But you do have big enemies.

Also, almost all major ASEAN countries reject, especially surrounding the SCS, don't like your reclamation activities. One has also to see his neighborhood. Also, the Americans are so good at PR/Propaganda, that they can immediately turn a lot of perception. Don't underestimate America.

Don't underestimate America's ability to deploy millions of lying whores?

You're getting irritating now. I linked you three times the opinion polls where 72% of Thais and 74% of Malaysians as well as 66% of Indonesians have a positive view of China: Opinion of China (2014) - Indicators Database | Pew Research Center

Are you deliberately shoving your head up your *** and screwing it around several times?

Vietnam and the Philippines are militarily a joke and India and Japan have no friends in the neighborhood.

 

[terranMarine]

Don't underestimate America's ability to deploy millions of lying whores?

You're getting irritating now. I linked you three times the opinion polls where 72% of Thais and 74% of Malaysians as well as 66% of Indonesians have a positive view of China: Opinion of China (2014) - Indicators Database | Pew Research Center

Are you deliberately shoving your head up your *** and screwing it around several times?

Vietnam and the Philippines are militarily a joke and India and Japan have no friends in the neighborhood.

Yoga flexibility?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Don't underestimate America's ability to deploy millions of lying whores?

You're getting irritating now. I linked you three times the opinion polls where 72% of Thais and 74% of Malaysians as well as 66% of Indonesians have a positive view of China: Opinion of China (2014) - Indicators Database | Pew Research Center

Are you deliberately shoving your head up your *** and screwing it around several times?

Vietnam and the Philippines are militarily a joke and India and Japan have no friends in the neighborhood.

What! First keep your words straight.
Second, public opinion is very important, but government relations also matter. There are numerous cases where public opinion and government policy may diverge, like Turkey vis a vis China.

Thailand is perhaps best predisposed to China, I agree.

Malaysians, are hosting US patrol planes, and asking them to have more patrols.

Indonesians also want US patrol planes.

I will categorize Thailand as slightly friendly to China, and Malaysia and Indonesia as neutral.

Yoga flexibility?

First you must develop some manners here. Or else it only reflects poorly on your quality of discourse.

 

[TheTruth]

What! First keep your words straight.
Second, public opinion is very important, but government relations also matter. There are numerous cases where public opinion and government policy may diverge, like Turkey vis a vis China.

Thailand is perhaps best predisposed to China, I agree.

Malaysians, are hosting US patrol planes, and asking them to have more patrols.

Indonesians also want US patrol planes.

I will categorize Thailand as slightly friendly to China, and Malaysia and Indonesia as neutral.

First you must develop some manners here. Or else it only reflects poorly on your quality of discourse.

Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia are just playing the US for dupes. They're not neutral at all. Neutrality in ASEAN is essentially a veto of Phil and Viet interests (while letting Cambodia take the blame). They're not asking for US personnel stationed on their territory. If you're not talking public opinion, who do you think the elites of these countries as well as the ROC favors? Who do you think the people favor on a fundamental, cultural, historical level? Even in India there are hundreds of millions who distrust goras and have at least more cultural affinity for Chinese than them. The reason why China does not have many alliances is because she doesn't want to get too heavily involved when they have not focused on power projection capability.

 

[terranMarine]

What! First keep your words straight.
Second, public opinion is very important, but government relations also matter. There are numerous cases where public opinion and government policy may diverge, like Turkey vis a vis China.

Thailand is perhaps best predisposed to China, I agree.

Malaysians, are hosting US patrol planes, and asking them to have more patrols.

Indonesians also want US patrol planes.

I will categorize Thailand as slightly friendly to China, and Malaysia and Indonesia as neutral.



First you must develop some manners here. Or else it only reflects poorly on your quality of discourse.

And how poor of quality are the words "yoga" and "flexibility" ?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

And how poor of quality are the words "yoga" and "flexibility" ?

It was a continuation of an already poor discourse by Truth.

 

[terranMarine]

It was a continuation of an already poor discourse by Truth.

That is your opinion

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia are just playing the US for dupes. They're not neutral at all. Neutrality in ASEAN is essentially a veto of Phil and Viet interests (while letting Cambodia take the blame). They're not asking for US personnel stationed on their territory. If you're not talking public opinion, who do you think the elites of these countries as well as the ROC favors? Who do you think the people favor on a fundamental, cultural, historical level? Even in India there are hundreds of millions who distrust goras and have at least more cultural affinity for Chinese than them. The reason why China does not have many alliances is because she doesn't want to get too heavily involved when they have not focused on power projection capability.

Today, in Shangri La dialogue, the Malaysian defence Minister said, "SCS has the potential to be one of the biggest catastrophes"

 

[TheTruth]

Today, in Shangri La dialogue, the Malaysian defence Minister said, "SCS has the potential to be one of the biggest catastrophes"

Did he say who was at fault?

 

[sword1947]

What?

"What ?"---why are you so senseless? what is the name of this forum？
"In ASEAN, you have no friends. " such situation just exist in your dream, boy

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

UK Def Min Fallon: whatever intent, China's activities in SCS likely to increase regional tensions

 

[AndrewJin]

Don't underestimate America's ability to deploy millions of lying whores?

You're getting irritating now. I linked you three times the opinion polls where 72% of Thais and 74% of Malaysians as well as 66% of Indonesians have a positive view of China: Opinion of China (2014) - Indicators Database | Pew Research Center

Are you deliberately shoving your head up your *** and screwing it around several times?

Vietnam and the Philippines are militarily a joke and India and Japan have no friends in the neighborhood.

Blood Friends like UK abandon their son and join AIIB. And hope Japan can open agricultural market to dear Dad. Cheers!

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Malaysian Def Minister:

Now we come to the Elephant in the room, namely, the South China Sea. It is an old problem, It involves the dignity and face of the nations involved. If we are not careful, it could certainly escalate into one of the deadliest conflicts of our times, if not our history. Malaysia is more than aware over what is at stake at the South China Sea. That is why we have consistently advocated that diplomacy takes precedent in approaching this dispute. We remain convinced that the Code of Conduct is the best way to govern the waters and urge that consultations be intensified. This is to ensure the expeditious establishment of an effective COC. COC will be a key instrument in ensuring the proper management of these vital sea lanes upon which so much and so many depend. ASEAN mechanism and approaches promote peaceful dialogue. Any peaceful settlement must be acceptable to all nations involved. And that the ASEAN must remain the principal and indeed the only forum for South East Asian nations to pursue a resolution. The dispute resolution between Malaysia and Indonesia is an example where dialogue between nations is vital.


Singapore and Malaysia are also examples which used International Law to settle disputes, which shows that International Law can be used, and must be used.
All parties should avoid actions that will promote tensions.​

Essentially Malaysian def min stand is exactly attenued with US over these issues:

1. ASEAN will be the only forum for discussion, no bilateral talks.
2. Use International Law.
3. COC must be established as soon as possible.
4. I don't know where but he also told that military activities must not be increased, and that nations will be accountable for their individual actions.
5. He also said to sit down and talk, avoid rhetoric.

Point 1,2,3 are totally pro-US.
Point 4 can be interpreted either way, but since China is actually trying to establish a military base, it is more against China.
Point 5 seems to be against US.

@TheTruth @sword1947

UK defence Min says-

1. Universal Values being threatened.
2. Sovereignty disputes in the SCS and East China Sea, and associated land reclamations are only likely to increase regional tensions.
3. None of these problems can be dismissed as merely local difficulties.
4. Always speak out against aggression, and causes of instability.
   
5. Provocative Behavior challenges the risk of miscalculation
6. Disturbed the scale and speed of Land Reclamation activities
7. Refrain from activities
8. Settle disputes peacefully, and according to International Law.
9. Encourage a binding Code of Conduct
10. Stand shoulder to shoulder with United States, and allies, to defend
11. Military activity will be expanded in Asia Pacific region, and spend more money in defense.

That's why I say economy is not the only thing.
@AndrewJin

Almost every nation is calling for COC, every nation for a rules based order, every nation against coercion, China made a strategic mistake in stretching itself too wide.

Further words:

1. We consider US as the central power as maintaining peace in this region. And value our relationship with US.

Everyone should hear the UK defense min speech, he is the 3rd speaker.

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