Even in 1971, Awami League wasn't stating it wanted independence: Srinath Raghavan

[banvanaxl]

Yes and that is why so many Indian posters on pdf are arch supporters of Awami League and you guys constantly post on BD forum
You Indians are obsessed with BD as an economically and military strong BD would have many Indians wondering why bother with this massive multi-ethnic experiment that has not delivered the goods.

Actually you know what. I'm sorry.

I must have lost my marbles. Please live in lala land and believe we want to occupy you and RAW and brahmins and stuff want your precious land .. and blah blah ..

I've wasted enough time on this troll thread.

Peace out.

 

[Soms]

Yes and that is why so many Indian posters on pdf are arch supporters of Awami League and you guys constantly post on BD forum

You Indians are obsessed with BD as an economically and military strong BD would have many Indians wondering why bother with this massive multi-ethnic experiment that has not delivered the goods.

I don't support BAL. But does it matter?

"General Indians"..the "hoi polloi"..the "Aam Admi" barely know of a nation called Bangladesh. (I'm not talking about the illiterates here)

As per your definition of "obsessed"...a state called Poschim Bongo is

Disclaimer: I'm posted at Dhaka..but am on vacation ....will have to return on 8th
Its a mess out there!!

 

[asad71]

1. Now, this is interesting, can you please provide some source for this Bhutto-Yahya Larkana conspiracy?

2. If this is true then was this mily action the famed Operation Searchlight, planned well before any Bihari killings in early March, 1971?

3. Since this mily action was planned well before any Bihari killings, does that also mean that Operation Searchlight was not a case of revenge killing for the Bihari killings?

4. About the Bihari Killings who planned them, who executed these plans and why? Specifically were Indian RAW agents involved with these plans?

5. At what point did East Pakistani origin officers/soldiers in Army, EPR, Police etc. planned their revolt, with coordination with whom, Awami League? And who in Awami League?

My personal opinion as expressed before, Sheikh Mujib was a strongman (Sahrawardi's Gunda), golabaj and a demagogue. He was the figurehead of Awami League and he himself did not understand the implication of his actions and could not foresaw the breakup of Pakistan, because of these actions. There were, I am sure, other forces within Awami League, who were collaborating with India long before 1971, with or without full knowledge of Sheikh Mujib, who I believe were instrumental in bringing about the cycle of killings, initiating with Bihari killings. Was Tajuddin the main RAW point man? Who else were in this team? Tofael Ahmed and 3 other leaders of Mujib Bahini?

I think this thread should be merged with one of the other 1971 related threads, @Loki .

1.Bhutto hosting Yahya in Larkana fora bird-shoot is well-known.It had come out in the newspapers at that time. The conspiracy part has also been discussed in many books.Just now I can recommend that you read late Maj Gen M Khalilur Rahman's Purbapor 1971.

2.Biharis were conveniently used/exploited by Pak authorities to organize labor disturbances, Bihari-Bengali clashes or communal riots. Some incidents are: Adamjee labor clashes, KPM,Khalishpur or the communal riots when Yahya was GOC 14 Div.

3. Prior to the crack-down, ISI had distributed arms to Bihari community leaders in various locations.Bengalee officers like martyred Maj Khaleq or Major Nurul Islam Shishu (later Maj Gen and Minister)were even involved in this.

4.Disarming a soldier is like taking away clothes from a woman. Bengalee soldiers were better educated and far more politically conscious than others in PA.Units revolted whenthey were fired upon or ordered to disarm.Officers in command were thus compelled. Very few officers revolted upon own volition. For instance, ColJalil,CO1 E Bengal had refused to go with his troops when they fought out of the siege by West Pakistani units.Maj Nazmul, 3 E Bengal was perhaps killed by own troops when he had hesitated to revolt.Shafiullah was taken out by JCOs and 2/Lieut Aziz(later Maj Gen), 2E Bengal from Joydevpur. Maj Rafiq, then Adjt, EPR, Chittagong was an exception.He had anticipated events and was prepared.Khaled Musharraf had been BM,Dhaka Bde till a few days before the crack-down.He knew what was coming and had no hesitation in revolting in4 E Bengal.

 

[kalu_miah]

@asad71 Bhai, thanks for the post above. I found more info on this Larkana conspiracy issue here, and also a lot of other interesting info:

History of Bangladesh
Muktijuddho (Bangladesh Liberation War 1971) part 2 - oath of allegiance, future Prime Minister Mujib, Larkana Conspiracy, Bhutto meets Sheikh Mujib - History of Bangladesh
Bhasha Andolon (Bangladesh language movement 1948-1952) part 4 - Jinnah declaration, Arabization of Bangla - History of Bangladesh
Untold Facts » Blog Archive » Road to March 1971: Birth Pangs of a Nation

In the larger scheme of things, in the broad sweep of history, arrival of Islam in Bengal, formation of Pakistan and then its division in 1971, must be looked at from the larger perspective. Most non-Muslim societies and powers in the world have viewed Islam and its geopolitical goals with suspicion, as it has been a major force in the world since its birth. So whenever the question of secularization of Islamic or Muslim societies arise, there is agreement on this issue among non-Muslim powers. So the "secular Muslims" must be looked at with suspicion in any given Muslim society, as agents of non-Muslim imperial powers (or even non-Sunni powers) from near or far. In Bangladesh, Turkey, Indonesia and even Pakistan, we can see examples of this phenomenon.

So 1971 could be looked at as setback for Islam and the Muslim world and a win for the non-Muslim world, but it does not have to be. As long as our population in Bangladesh rediscovers Islam and rediscovers the value it provides against colonial oppression of non-Muslim powers from near or far, we will be on the right track.

Whether due to Indian design, or due to our own fault, particularly the fault of shortsightedness of our leaders, or a mixture of both, for which 1971 war precipitated and as a result bridges between these two Muslim communities have been burned to a large extent, it will take a lot of work to rebuild it. I think brinkmanship of Mujib and shortsightedness of communist leaders, even our venerated Bhashani, who supported an Islamic version of socialism, were specially responsible for the conflict, because they failed to see the nature of Indian threat for an independent Bangladesh. I will not mention the fault of the feudal and military elite of Pakistan who did not want to share power with an uppity East Pakistani political class, mainly because they rightly judged that the commitment of these East Pakistani leaders (Mujib, Bhashani, Shiraj Sikder et al) towards the integrity of Pakistan was questionable at best.

My personal view is that the rebuilding of bridge should start with the foundation of a neutral UN sponsored investigation, in order to delegitimize propaganda from any side, specially from our sworn enemy.

In order for us to build bridges with the greater Muslim world, there is some unfinished business. One is the matter of an Arabic as well as an English script for Bengali, which I would like to see that we start on a limited basis. Script does not make or break a living language, but changing them can make us more open to other cultures. Since we would like to limit our relationship with India and enhance our relationship with the wider globe as well as the Muslim world, I think the time has come to shift away from the Devnagari based Bangla script in a long series of steps. We do not need to abolish the original old script, but one should be able to choose the script one wants to use from among English (Latin), Arabic and original Bangla script.

@M_Saint Bhai, your kind comments please.

 

[Md Akmal]

I have seen every variety of comments in this section but honestly speaking this one is a killer gem.

@ By dear scorpionx, everyday whenever I open this section I read your comment and laugh at my own. It is something like "Hamko hamise churalo". "Hamne kia aysi baat likh di, jo suna wohi bola".

@ " Are tushi Pakistani ho na Hindustani ?"

 

[scorpionx]

@Md Akmal

By dear scorpionx, everyday whenever I open this section I read your comment and laugh at my own. It is something like "Hamko hamise churalo". "Hamne kia aysi baat likh di, jo suna wohi bola".

laugh!!! Why?

" Are tushi Pakistani ho na Hindustani ?"

There is a difference between criticizing nationalism and criticizing state policy.If criticizing state policy make me anti Hindustani then I have to say "Kuch to log kahenge,logon ka kaam hain kehna"

 

[Armstrong]

@ By dear scorpionx, everyday whenever I open this section I read your comment and laugh at my own. It is something like "Hamko hamise churalo". "Hamne kia aysi baat likh di, jo suna wohi bola".

@ " Are tushi Pakistani ho na Hindustani ?"

So MD Bhai when are are you visiting Pakistan ?

In the meantime - Give a listen to this :

You too @kalu_miah @khair_ctg & @M_Saint !

Its by Alamgir - Our Bengali Boy !

 

[khair_ctg]

So MD Bhai when are are you visiting Pakistan ?

In the meantime - Give a listen to this :

You too @kalu_miah @khair_ctg & @M_Saint !

Its by Alamgir - Our Bengali Boy !

hey thanks. i already saw it and some of my bangladeshi friends on facebook have also been sharing it. it's an excellent rendition. you know Alamgir made some official tours in Bangladesh in the 80s and 90s and older Bangladeshis are familiar with him: the younger generation, not as much, at least not as much as they are with Ali Azmat, Strings, Jal, Shafqat Amanat Ali, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan etc. etc.. i also like Alamgir's Keh Dena and Dekha na tha