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The Times of India – December 30, 2013,

With elections approaching amidst violence, Bangladesh's future looks uncertain. Some of this is rooted in a past marked by enduring clashes. Srinath Raghavan , senior fellow at the Centre for Policy Researchand senior research fellow at King's College, London, spoke with Ashish Yechury about why Bangladesh's creation was a global affair, influences shaping this — and how even Israel apparently got involved:

Your book is called 1971: A Global History of the Creation of Bangladesh — why global?

Well, the creation of Bangladesh is generally seen as a subcontinental affair; in default mode, it's seen as the second partition. This seems to me a very narrow view. It doesn't take into account a wider international context in which this happened and which decisively shaped the outcome. This was a global event — participants themselves thought they had to secure global support. In a sense, the struggle on the ground was matched by a struggle for global opinion. That's central in understanding these events.

You argue Bangladesh's creation wasn't inevitable — but you list conditions in the build-up to 1971 which played a key role. How do you reconcile these?

The deterministic reading of Bangladesh primarily comes from the view that united Pakistan was an unsustainable entity. The arguments are on geography, with two wings of the same country separated by India. There are arguments about economic disparity, cultural differences between the Bengali and West Pakistani elite and the lopsided power-sharing arrangement between the two.
What i argue is that you don't really need to look at the background to understand how the quest for autonomy transformed into a demand for freedom. We need a wider perspective.

Is your view that if the Pakistani response wasn't so heavy-handed, there would not have been an independent Bangladesh?

You might have had a loose confederation which, in some ways, is what the Awami League and Sheikh Mujibur Rahman wanted — even as late as March 1971, the Awami League was not stating it wanted outright independence. They were asking for a loose confederation with devolution of political and economic autonomy to East Pakistan.

There was hope that with a looser confederation set-up and fair elections, the Bengalis' numerical superiority would kick in and they could get greater power, a fairer share.

Why link this to the 'spirit of 1968'?

To me, the student movements of 1968 are the turning point in the history of Pakistan. Ayub Khan had been in power for 10 years and Pakistan was doing well economically, despite growing disparity and concentration of wealth. Student movements in East and West Pakistan precipitated change.

Student movements were a global phenomenon and i quote a CIA document where they say that this was a global movement. In Pakistan, these students were from a different generation. Sheikh Mujibur himself was a student leader in the 1940s, he had fought for Pakistan with different aspirations. The radicalisation of this student movement forced the Awami League to make their negotiating position far less flexible.

Meanwhile, amidst all this, you mention Israel getting involved — can you tell us more?

The Israelis have a history of supplying weapons to India. In 1962 and 1965, they sent some weapons despite the US embargo on India in 1965. So India had a secret backchannel with the Israelis — there is no indication that the Americans knew about them giving arms in 1971.

Full diplomatic recognition from India was important for Israel as they were feeling extremely isolated at that time — they thought this would help.

Even in 1971, Awami League wasn't stating it wanted independence: Srinath Raghavan - The Times of India
 
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Lendup Dorji had handed over Sikkim to India.Hasina wants to do the same, and has been assured grand treatment like the other Sheikhs, that of J&K. But BD ain't no Sikkim.

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Lendup Dorji had handed over Sikkim to India.Hasina wants to do the same, and has been assured grand treatment like the other Sheikhs, that of J&K. But BD ain't no Sikkim.
 
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Lendup Dorji had handed over Sikkim to India.Hasina wants to do the same, and has been assured grand treatment like the other Sheikhs, that of J&K. But BD ain't no Sikkim.


Are you in your senses???

Even if hasina wants to do it, People of india dont want BD to be integrated with our country.

You are right. BD ain't no Sikkim.
 
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i heard from my elders who were back then either into Bashani NAP or PAL they never saw United Pakistan breaking up in their wildest dreams. although the actual events were beyond just 'breaking up'. an 'uncle' whose political views i didn't know once told me few years ago, a lot of what happened in Feb-March 1971 went out of Sheikh Mujib's hands and he actually expressed surprise that he came out of jail to a country - of his possible premiership (United Pakistan) - now completely deformed. what the uncle was implying was it should be clear who was behind the covert and then overt control of events in East Pakistan and behind the makeover East Pak went through.

i don't know if this is any political ploy to put Sheikh Mujib in an innocent place in history. but it does connect well to his post-election efforts and overall PAL stance
 
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Sheikh Mujib was a power hungry demagogue. So if he could become Prime Minister of all of Pakistan why should he settle for just Eastern Wing? I have read he refused to make UDI (Unilateral Declaration of Independence), chose to surrender to Pakistan Army authorities as a prisoner and when he came out in Dec. 1971, he was surprised to find out that Bangladesh has become independent. His total dependence on India started at this point out of opportunism and convenience, to keep himself in power and crush the leftist opposition, who both India and himself hated and considered expendable.

Bhashani was the original proponent of Independence if the Western wing could not deal with the Eastern wing in a fair way, but I think he had in mind an amicable settlement, not a violent war where we would need to seek help from India. The war was instigated by India and their agents in Awami League (not Mujib but his underlings) by killing Bihari's and then provoking Pakistan Army to go for Operation Searchlight, a too broad and heavy handed approach, that triggered a general revolt among Bengali origin armed and security forces as well as the masses. That is my impression from the info I have come across so far. I will update this assessment after a UN sponsored neutral investigation of the 1971 conflict involving all 3 countries, including the role of behind the scenes players.
 
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Lendup Dorji had handed over Sikkim to India.Hasina wants to do the same, and has been assured grand treatment like the other Sheikhs, that of J&K. But BD ain't no Sikkim.
Asad bhai - the way Bangladesh's fate has turned out, it has been for a considerable amount of time the foremost standard of a country engulfed by Indian secular hegemonic order; Sikkim isn't. it is certainly with a heavy heart that i reached this conclusion. when faced with india, actual-sovereign nations should be saying by now, we don't want to be another Bangladesh.
 
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Sheikh Mujib was a power hungry demagogue. So if he could become Prime Minister of all of Pakistan why should he settle for just Eastern Wing? I have read he refused to make UDI (Unilateral Declaration of Independence), chose to surrender to Pakistan Army authorities as a prisoner and when he came out in Dec. 1971, he was surprised to find out that Bangladesh has become independent. His total dependence on India started at this point out of opportunism and convenience, to keep himself in power and crush the leftist opposition, who both India and himself hated and considered expendable.

Bhashani was the original proponent of Independence if the Western wing could not deal with the Eastern wing in a fair way, but I think he had in mind an amicable settlement, not a violent war where we would need to seek help from India. The war was instigated by India and their agents in Awami League (not Mujib but his underlings) by killing Bihari's and then provoking Pakistan Army to go for Operation Searchlight, a too broad and heavy handed approach, that triggered a general revolt among Bengali origin armed and security forces as well as the masses. That is my impression from the info I have come across so far. I will update this assessment after a UN sponsored neutral investigation of the 1971 conflict involving all 3 countries, including the role of behind the scenes players.

1.Bhutto-Yahya Larkana conspiracy had taken place in Dec'70. GHQ conference of senior generals 10 Feb '71 decided not to hand over power to the elected reps; instead mily action in E Pak was opted. Gen Wasi, Corps Commander Multan had conveyed these to Sheikh through his PA whom he sent on leave only for this purpose.

2. But Sheikh was still against UDI/violent separation of the two wings. He was hoping that a political solution would emerge. He had not fathomed the extent to which Bhutto could go to whet his ambition.
 
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Lendup Dorji had handed over Sikkim to India.Hasina wants to do the same, and has been assured grand treatment like the other Sheikhs, that of J&K. But BD ain't no Sikkim.

@ The "Slogun of Joi Bangla " was not being created by Awami Leaque? It was well fixed half a century back in 1905 once Bengal was separated separated from main Bengal(West Bengal). I saw one documentry movie in aCalcutta TV back in 2000 there it was shown that the supporters of anti-partition movement used to chunt this very "Slogan", " Joy Bangla " and the very famous song " Amar Sonar Bangla". All those famious "Rabindra Sangeet" were also played in the same manner the way we heard during our liberation movement of 1971. As if the unfinished task has come to reality.

@ Another thing which surprized me once I saw the voluntiers of Awami Leaque used to wear the "Cap" which re-samples the Nehru cap which you can very well see once the Awami volunteers paraded at Dacca street on 23 March 1971(Pakistan's Constitutional Day/National Day).
 
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1.Bhutto-Yahya Larkana conspiracy had taken place in Dec'70. GHQ conference of senior generals 10 Feb '71 decided not to hand over power to the elected reps; instead mily action in E Pak was opted. Gen Wasi, Corps Commander Multan had conveyed these to Sheikh through his PA whom he sent on leave only for this purpose.

2. But Sheikh was still against UDI/violent separation of the two wings. He was hoping that a political solution would emerge. He had not fathomed the extent to which Bhutto could go to whet his ambition.

1. Now, this is interesting, can you please provide some source for this Bhutto-Yahya Larkana conspiracy?

2. If this is true then was this mily action the famed Operation Searchlight, planned well before any Bihari killings in early March, 1971?

3. Since this mily action was planned well before any Bihari killings, does that also mean that Operation Searchlight was not a case of revenge killing for the Bihari killings?

4. About the Bihari Killings who planned them, who executed these plans and why? Specifically were Indian RAW agents involved with these plans?

5. At what point did East Pakistani origin officers/soldiers in Army, EPR, Police etc. planned their revolt, with coordination with whom, Awami League? And who in Awami League?

My personal opinion as expressed before, Sheikh Mujib was a strongman (Sahrawardi's Gunda), golabaj and a demagogue. He was the figurehead of Awami League and he himself did not understand the implication of his actions and could not foresaw the breakup of Pakistan, because of these actions. There were, I am sure, other forces within Awami League, who were collaborating with India long before 1971, with or without full knowledge of Sheikh Mujib, who I believe were instrumental in bringing about the cycle of killings, initiating with Bihari killings. Was Tajuddin the main RAW point man? Who else were in this team? Tofael Ahmed and 3 other leaders of Mujib Bahini?

I think this thread should be merged with one of the other 1971 related threads, @Loki .
 
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Lendup Dorji had handed over Sikkim to India.Hasina wants to do the same, and has been assured grand treatment like the other Sheikhs, that of J&K. But BD ain't no Sikkim.
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Joto shob bhaat !

Don't you realise that the common man in India is desperate to delink ourselves from Bangladesh in every which way. We haven't sent the millions of refugees back on humanitarian grounds but to assume that we would want to be burdened by the humongous liability of a failing state is sheer idiocy.

We have got tons of stupid politicians in Delhi but none of them, even Mr Lalu Prasad Yadav would want to have anything to do Bangladesh. Stop dreaming chaps.

RAW conspiracy theories are one thing .. thing is "paglami and bharaami" redefined.
 
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1. Now, this is interesting, can you please provide some source for this Bhutto-Yahya Larkana conspiracy?

2. If this is true then was this mily action the famed Operation Searchlight, planned well before any Bihari killings in early March, 1971?

3. Since this mily action was planned well before any Bihari killings, does that also mean that Operation Searchlight was not a case of revenge killing for the Bihari killings?

4. About the Bihari Killings who planned them, who executed these plans and why? Specifically were Indian RAW agents involved with these plans?

5. At what point did East Pakistani origin officers/soldiers in Army, EPR, Police etc. planned their revolt, with coordination with whom, Awami League? And who in Awami League?

My personal opinion as expressed before, Sheikh Mujib was a strongman (Sahrawardi's Gunda), golabaj and a demagogue. He was the figurehead of Awami League and he himself did not understand the implication of his actions and could not foresaw the breakup of Pakistan, because of these actions. There were, I am sure, other forces within Awami League, who were collaborating with India long before 1971, with or without full knowledge of Sheikh Mujib, who I believe were instrumental in bringing about the cycle of killings, initiating with Bihari killings. Was Tajuddin the main RAW point man? Who else were in this team? Tofael Ahmed and 3 other leaders of Mujib Bahini?

I think this thread should be merged with one of the other 1971 related threads, @Loki .

@ "Are Kallu Mia", the Bhutto-Yahya Larkana conspiracy was a well known fact. Actually, I always said that this Yahya came to power through a silent military coup and definitely he did not wanted that any fraction of Muslim to come to power ! First of all, he immediately freezed the central fund of Convention Muslim Leaque (Ayub Fraction) so that their back bone is broken. Then after some days he forceably retired near about 500 CSP officers. Soon, he also froze the bank accounts of all 22 rich families of Pakistan like Latif Bawani, Adamjee, Daud etc. After the general election of 1970, once Mujib got the majority (162 out of 300), Yahya visited the then East Pakistan and mate with Mujib and declared Mujib as the future Prime Minister of Pakistan. Soon the Larkana Conspiracy started. The day Yahya went to West Pakistan, he was cordially invited by Bhutto in his personel place. Soon some serving Generals also joined with them. By the way during the first half of election I was in Rawalpindi and during the second half I was in East Pakistan so, I closely observed the election. I myself wsa confused ? Once I was in Rawalpindi, I used to support "Talwar" but once I came to east Pakistan I used to support "Nowka". Actually at that time I was a student of class seven so I hardly understand these politics. But definitely I have observed the "Jalus", "Gali gali me shor hai, Ayub pacca chor hai, Ayub kutta hai, hai!!!!!". One thing I have marked although Ayub did not participate the election of 1970 but yet Bhutto's whole campaign was against him. Once I came to East Pakistan, I saw "tumar amar thikana, Padma, Meghna Jumuna, Joi Bangla, Joi Bangla Joi Hind, lungi khule dhudi pin".

@ About the killing of Bihares the interst of RAW and Awami Leaque was quite different. RAW wanted these Bihari elements to be totally eliminated as they were out and out anti-India and pro-Pakistani and Islamin minded. If these elements were eliminated then defintely they could have upper hand among the Bengalese. Sk Mujib and Awami Leaque thought that if these Biharis are eliminated then they can enjoy their properties. Infact, Awami Leaque was being runned with the money of these Bihares. Even Sk Mujib was CEO of one Insurance Company who owner was one member of 22 non bengal family. The present office of awami Leaque belongs to that insurance Company.
 
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To me, recently, Bangladesh looks more and more like an Indian autonomous province. Why doesn't Bangladesh just be greatful to India for 1971 and form a union with them?
 
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Grateful my ***.
We will be subservient like Nepal and Bhutan,it will be a dream come true for Delhi.A dream nonetheless. The more India tries more situations getting out of their hand and plan.
We will jump in the bay of Bengal before an union of any kind with India happens.
Applying for citizen ship of Ethiopia is more prestigious.
 
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