European powers reject China's South China Sea claims

[Song Hong]

Hague tribunal in 2016 South China Sea tribunal is unacceptable for for every SCS nations, not just China.

Vietnam and Philippines will never accept it because it means a loss of sovereignty.

The main problem is her ruling defined all SCS islets as reef, that has lots of legal implication favoring no one accept outsiders, especially white man.

That is the reason, all SCS states are putting the China Sea tribunal one side, and move on with China.

 

[redtom]

In colonial time, only Mekong Delta is under colonial regime, the rest Vietnam is still independence state, headed by Bao Dai emperor. France made protectorate for Annam Imperial.

In WWII, Viet Minh under leading of Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam fought counter occupation of Japan in Vietnam.

After WW II In San Francisco conference, Vietnam delegate was participated on, so Vietnam under Bao Dai has protested claim KMT ROC. The voting in following is rejected claim of KMT on East Sea of Vietnam.

Note that Vietnam warlord Nguen has been controlled Paracel and Spratly after 1600s when he had taken control over south Vietnam.

So what does the Treaty between China and France have to do with the Vietnamese?

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Hague tribunal in 2016 South China Sea tribunal is unacceptable for for every SCS nations, not just China.

Vietnam and Philippines will never accept it because it means a loss of sovereignty.

The main problem is her ruling defined all SCS islets as reef, that has lots of legal implication favoring no one accept outsiders, especially white man.

That is the reason, all SCS states are putting the China Sea tribunal one side, and move on with China.

The International Arbitration Tribunal is NOT a part of UN or UN PAC hence it is neither recognize nor enforceable today.
It is fully funded and its judges are selected with the approval of Philippines Ministry.
There is only one participant and it is Philippines.
It ruled on UNCLOS a maritime law ans not land.
What it ruled is that all these islands of this status do not have 200 NM EEZ.
Meaning it affects all nations including Japan, Australia, India UK, etc.
Then why is Indonesia claiming that Natuna Island has a 200 NM EEz and sinking Vietnamese fishing vessels?
That is the confusion that is created by this IAT ruling that is used conveniently by detractors.

 

[cgy]

Stop lying and bully us.

Paracel and Spratly islands does belong to Vietnam from long time in the past. Before WW II, there was no dispute between Vietnam and China.

This is map of Vietnam in Nguyen Dynasty in 1800 with demonstration of Paracel and Spratly when Nguyen warlord has united Vietnam.
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Because Vietnamese like you can't read history, they can't even make fake one looks real. Can maps 200 years ago be so well preserved? How can you be as brainless as an Indian? Let me show you the evidence photos of China's sovereignty over the South China Sea before World War II, and see what a map over 50 years should look like.

This picture from 1930 was yellowed in less than 100 years.

1: In 1910, Guangdong province dispatched personnel to manage the South China Sea Islands

2: South China Sea Observatory (1930)

3: A tablet inscribed with the word "Xize island" on the South China Sea Islands in the late Qing Dynasty“

4: Officials in charge of managing islands in the South China Sea in the late Qing Dynasty（1893）

5: Building monument of South China Sea Island meteorological station (photo in 1931)

Do you think 200 year old maps are even newer than less than 100 year old maps?You think that the South China Sea belongs to Vietnam, but you can't take any boundary pillar representing national sovereignty as evidence, or even a picture. This is enough to prove how similar you are to Indians, and you like to take your fantasy as reality.



Before 1974, the Vietnamese governments never challenged any of the sovereignty of China's Paracel Islands. No matter in its government's statement, note, or newspapers, maps and textbooks, it was officially acknowledged that Paracel Islands was China's territory since ancient times.



In June 15, 1956, Yong Wenqian, Vice Minister of foreign affairs of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, met with Li Zhimin, the temporary Ambassador of China's embassy in Vietnam. He solemnly said: "according to Vietnamese information, Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands should belong to China's territory in the history." Li Lu, director of the Asian Affairs Division of Vietnam's Ministry of foreign affairs, further introduced the Vietnamese materials, pointing out: "historically, Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands have belonged to China as early as Song Zhaoshi."



In September 4, 1958, the Chinese government issued a statement declaring that the width of China's territorial sea was 12 nautical miles, and clearly stated: "this provision applies to China, including Paracel Islands. All the territory of the people's Republic of China. On September 6, the people's daily of the central organ of the Vietnamese Labor Party published the Chinese government's statement on territorial waters in its first page. On September 14, Prime Minister Fan Wen Tong of the Vietnamese government sent a note to Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, solemnly stating: "the government of the Vietnamese Democratic Republic recognizes and agrees with the statement of the government of the people's Republic of China on the territorial sea decision of September 4, 1958" and "the government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects this decision.".

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Because Vietnamese like you can't read history, they can't even make fake one looks real. Can maps 200 years ago be so well preserved? How can you be as brainless as an Indian? Let me show you the evidence photos of China's sovereignty over the South China Sea before World War II, and see what a map over 50 years should look like.


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This picture from 1930 was yellowed in less than 100 years.

1: In 1910, Guangdong province dispatched personnel to manage the South China Sea Islands
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2: South China Sea Observatory (1930)
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3: A tablet inscribed with the word "Xize island" on the South China Sea Islands in the late Qing Dynasty“
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4: Officials in charge of managing islands in the South China Sea in the late Qing Dynasty（1893）
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5: Building monument of South China Sea Island meteorological station (photo in 1931)

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Do you think 200 year old maps are even newer than less than 100 year old maps?You think that the South China Sea belongs to Vietnam, but you can't take any boundary pillar representing national sovereignty as evidence, or even a picture. This is enough to prove how similar you are to Indians, and you like to take your fantasy as reality.



Before 1974, the Vietnamese governments never challenged any of the sovereignty of China's Paracel Islands. No matter in its government's statement, note, or newspapers, maps and textbooks, it was officially acknowledged that Paracel Islands was China's territory since ancient times.



In June 15, 1956, Yong Wenqian, Vice Minister of foreign affairs of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, met with Li Zhimin, the temporary Ambassador of China's embassy in Vietnam. He solemnly said: "according to Vietnamese information, Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands should belong to China's territory in the history." Li Lu, director of the Asian Affairs Division of Vietnam's Ministry of foreign affairs, further introduced the Vietnamese materials, pointing out: "historically, Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands have belonged to China as early as Song Zhaoshi."



In September 4, 1958, the Chinese government issued a statement declaring that the width of China's territorial sea was 12 nautical miles, and clearly stated: "this provision applies to China, including Paracel Islands. All the territory of the people's Republic of China. On September 6, the people's daily of the central organ of the Vietnamese Labor Party published the Chinese government's statement on territorial waters in its first page. On September 14, Prime Minister Fan Wen Tong of the Vietnamese government sent a note to Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, solemnly stating: "the government of the Vietnamese Democratic Republic recognizes and agrees with the statement of the government of the people's Republic of China on the territorial sea decision of September 4, 1958" and "the government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects this decision.".

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Observe the difference.
The letter written by Vietnamese PM Phan Van Dong was in romancised Vietnamese.
Originally it was a 11 dash lines.
In his letter on behalf of Vietnam he recognized China claim in the South China Sea.
Following that the 11 dash lines was altered to 9 dash lines accordingly so that Vietnam can retain its territories within 12NM sea borders.

The earlier historical documents were all written in Chinese proving Annam was a Province of the Middle Kingdom as recorded.

 

[cochine]

Stop distorting ancuent history.
The Nguen dynasty were Chinese and also describe as so in French history.
All ancient and historical documents were written in Chinese.
Show me one ancient document that was recorded in Khmer or Annamese language other than those recorded in the Court of Chinese histories.
The King of Annam as a royal official served at the pleasure of the Emperor of the Middle Kingdom. In fact his ranking was below that of the King of Guangzhou.

There is two kingdom ruled on two country Vietnam and China in same time, two different country with the border, my kid.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

There is two kingdom ruled on two country Vietnam and China in same time, two different country with the border, my kid.

A racist Khmer Kron still in denial of real history.
Your history were told to you written in non destructable banana leaves I bet drawn in pictures of macabre on top of elephants.

 

[cochine]

Because Vietnamese like you can't read history, they can't even make fake one looks real. Can maps 200 years ago be so well preserved? How can you be as brainless as an Indian? Let me show you the evidence photos of China's sovereignty over the South China Sea before World War II, and see what a map over 50 years should look like.


View attachment 671804
This picture from 1930 was yellowed in less than 100 years.

1: In 1910, Guangdong province dispatched personnel to manage the South China Sea Islands
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2: South China Sea Observatory (1930)
View attachment 671800



3: A tablet inscribed with the word "Xize island" on the South China Sea Islands in the late Qing Dynasty“
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4: Officials in charge of managing islands in the South China Sea in the late Qing Dynasty（1893）
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5: Building monument of South China Sea Island meteorological station (photo in 1931)

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Do you think 200 year old maps are even newer than less than 100 year old maps?You think that the South China Sea belongs to Vietnam, but you can't take any boundary pillar representing national sovereignty as evidence, or even a picture. This is enough to prove how similar you are to Indians, and you like to take your fantasy as reality.



Before 1974, the Vietnamese governments never challenged any of the sovereignty of China's Paracel Islands. No matter in its government's statement, note, or newspapers, maps and textbooks, it was officially acknowledged that Paracel Islands was China's territory since ancient times.



In June 15, 1956, Yong Wenqian, Vice Minister of foreign affairs of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, met with Li Zhimin, the temporary Ambassador of China's embassy in Vietnam. He solemnly said: "according to Vietnamese information, Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands should belong to China's territory in the history." Li Lu, director of the Asian Affairs Division of Vietnam's Ministry of foreign affairs, further introduced the Vietnamese materials, pointing out: "historically, Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands have belonged to China as early as Song Zhaoshi."



In September 4, 1958, the Chinese government issued a statement declaring that the width of China's territorial sea was 12 nautical miles, and clearly stated: "this provision applies to China, including Paracel Islands. All the territory of the people's Republic of China. On September 6, the people's daily of the central organ of the Vietnamese Labor Party published the Chinese government's statement on territorial waters in its first page. On September 14, Prime Minister Fan Wen Tong of the Vietnamese government sent a note to Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, solemnly stating: "the government of the Vietnamese Democratic Republic recognizes and agrees with the statement of the government of the people's Republic of China on the territorial sea decision of September 4, 1958" and "the government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects this decision.".

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Chinese is liar,

the map with eleven dashed line is made by KMT China in 1947, after WW II is ended.

The Photos is fake fabricated by propaganda in china. In time of France protectorate on Vietnam. China Manchu was loser in conflict with France colonial army, Manchurian dared not to tach to Paracel and Spratly of Vietnam.

After 1954 North Vietnam and China PRC signed in to Geneva Acoord, it had divided Vietnam in th two state. Paracel and Spratly belong to south Vietnam of King Bao Dai. The letter of Pham Van Dong mentioned only about 12 mile coast line of North VN and China, not mentioned about Spratly and Paracel.

Chines stop lying and fabricating on such fake evidents about history.

 

[Suika]

Judging from modern history, during the Second World War, Japan launched a war of aggression against China and occupied most of the South China Sea. The Cairo Declaration, the Potsdam Proclamation and other international documents clearly stipulate that the Chinese territory stolen by Japan should be returned to China. In December 1946, the government of the Republic of China appointed senior officials to the Spratly Islands to receive a reception ceremony on the island to send troops to garrison. In 1951, the Chinese government stated in the Declaration on the United States, Britain and Japan on the peace treaty and the San Francisco conference, "the sovereignty of Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands is the same as the entire Dongsha Islands and the China Sand Islands, and has been China's territory since ancient times." It has been publicly recognized by a large number of governments including the Vietnamese government and the resolutions of international conferences. Therefore, there was no so-called "South China Sea issue" in the long period after the war, and no country in the South China Sea region had raised any objection to China's exercise of sovereignty over the Spratly Islands and its adjacent waters. The Japanese government formally stated in 1952 that it "gave up all rights, names and demands on Taiwan, Penghu islands, Spratly Islands and Paracel Islands" and handed over the South China Sea to China.

Before the Second World War, China had sovereignty over the South China Sea. In the Second World War, Japan occupied the sea and islands. After Japan's defeat, China regained sovereignty over the sea and islands as part of the Allied forces.

Now tell me, is Vietnam the main force of the allies? If not, what qualifications do you have to grab China's booty? As I said before, according to the international law, this sea and island belong to China. If you Vietnam does not obey the international law, you should fight with China. If you win China, the South China Sea will be yours. If you lose, China will occupy Vietnam. I think that if a country like Vietnam, which provokes international disputes, only gives up its illegal claim after losing the war, it is really unfair for the victorious countries. This sea area is about 3.5 million square kilometers, and Vietnam's national area is only 329000 square kilometers. Since Vietnam wants to occupy an ocean ten times larger than Vietnam's area, it is very kind of China to ask Vietnam to pay all its land after your failure.What do you think?

Japan "aggression" is an exageration.

Suga wins LDP election, in step to becoming Japan's prime minister

Japanese and Korean people are higher than you. How much money are you going to spend to bribe Americans to adopt your opinions instead of others? We have no money bro. We will give Japan the hand of a friend instead.

defence.pk

China's earliest claim on the South China Sea was as a means to counter French influence that was growing in Indochina. So that means that the claim is an old claim from the era of old empires.

That time has passed and water and reefs is not the same as land such as the former Qing territory currently being Russian territory.

If China as the biggest country in the region wants to earn the cooperation of its neighbors, then China should compromise with neighbors in the South China Sea.

If China wants to go on a quest to retake land that was once part of the Qing, then Russia is prime target.

 

[cgy]

Japan "aggression" is an exageration.

Suga wins LDP election, in step to becoming Japan's prime minister

Japanese and Korean people are higher than you. How much money are you going to spend to bribe Americans to adopt your opinions instead of others? We have no money bro. We will give Japan the hand of a friend instead.

defence.pk

China's earliest claim on the South China Sea was as a means to counter French influence that was growing in Indochina. So that means that the claim is an old claim from the era of old empires.

That time has passed and water and reefs is not the same as land such as the former Qing territory currently being Russian territory.

If China as the biggest country in the region wants to earn the cooperation of its neighbors, then China should compromise with neighbors in the South China Sea.

If China wants to go on a quest to retake land that was once part of the Qing, then Russia is prime target.

Why should China compromise? Even if it does not cooperate with its neighbors who want to steal the South China Sea, China is confident of returning to the world's first place in the future. If China wants to restore the territory of the Qing Dynasty, we will take back southern Tibet and tear up India into 15 pieces.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Hoa or Han Chinese is liar, stop troll here more, you are uneducated Hoa ethnic

So how did your learned ancestors recorded down their history? Without those evidences, how can you prove you are not a liar?
Earlier you claimed Pot Pol is a Chinese and I debunked you and even gave his real name to you. Then you claimed I am a liar.
How are liara supposed to behave. By dispensing doses of facts while you a Khmer Kron macabre keep on farting.
That is nice.
Smell like the same shits in the dog holes you used to hide in. Nostalgia.

 

[Suika]

Why should China compromise? Even if it does not cooperate with its neighbors who want to steal the South China Sea, China is confident of returning to the world's first place in the future. If China wants to restore the territory of the Qing Dynasty, we will take back southern Tibet and tear up India into 15 pieces.

Without compromise to get the trust of surrounding neighbors, then the US will continue to be welcomed in the region. So even if China becomes "number 1" it'll always be just syntax number 1 since the coalition of distrust will keep PRC influence bottled up.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Without compromise to get the trust of surrounding neighbors, then the US will continue to be welcomed in the region. So even if China becomes "number 1" it'll always be just syntax number 1 since the coalition of distrust will keep PRC influence bottled up.

That is what years of indoctrination as a citizen of a defeated nation did to you.
Now they mentally own you until AI which is logic based finally replaced your brain.
That does not compute.
By then you can't even laugh at yourself because machine are not program to laugh.

But sorry we grew out of it.

 

[cgy]

Without compromise to get the trust of surrounding neighbors, then the US will continue to be welcomed in the region. So even if China becomes "number 1" it'll always be just syntax number 1 since the coalition of distrust will keep PRC influence bottled up.

China has been the first in the world for a long time. We have excellent historiographers to write credible history. Today's people and government will learn wisdom from these history books and deal with international affairs in combination with the current situation of modern society. You don't need to worry.

 

[cgy]

Monkey is your father, dont forget it.

It's a pleasure to watch your performance, because I need money to see clowns at the circus, but you're free