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Europe, Israel in race for India's $1bn UAV programme

We have a good indegenous UAV, Nishant, and developing some more. It will be inducted. But we need top-of-the-line UAV's atm, so Israel comes in, either direct purchase or some kind of JV.

Dude the reason that you got the Searcher 2 was because of the delays to the Nishant.....

"In July 1999, for the first time the Indian army deployed its new Nishant UAV system in the fight against guerilla forces backed by Pakistan in Kashmir. Nishant, which had been developed for battlefield surveillance and reconnaissance needs of the Indian Army, was test flown again in early 2002. The Nishant is still in the final stages of trials before its induction into the Army. The army is presently using Israeli-made Searcher UAVs. The unduly long delay in the development of the Nishant forced the Indian army to sign a deal with Israel for the acquisition of the highly versatile Searcher-II Unmanned aircraft."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/nishant.htm
 
Israel to Unveil its Biggest Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle, Reports Jane's



Israel is preparing to unveil a new high-altitude long-endurance unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV), reports Jane’s Defence Weekly’s Alon Ben-David.

Dubbed Eitan (Steadfast), the UCAV is the biggest in its class and far superior to anything else operated by Israel’s armed forces.

Jane’s Defence Weekly reports that Eitan, which will be operated by both the Israel Air Force and Navy, has an operational endurance of 50 hours, a considerable wing-span of 26 metres and is reportedly capable of carrying a maximum payload of 1,800 kg.

A senior Israel Navy source has told Jane’s Defence Weekly that “Eitan will be used for long range reconnaissance” but also added that “in the future, we won’t see any more manned MAPs [maritime patrol aircraft]”.

The UCAV has a cruising speed of 240 kt at 50,000 ft and, according to Israel Air Force magazine, the aircraft’s advanced avionics are ‘similar to that of systems that operate on fighter-jets’.

www.janes.com/press/articles/pc060307_1.shtml


From the photo it looks very similar to the Predator. With a wing span of 26meters, it must have a very large RADAR signature and probably very easy pray to the enemy fighters. I therefore find the statement that in future we wont see any more manned MAP's rather boastful.
 
Dude the reason that you got the Searcher 2 was because of the delays to the Nishant.....

"In July 1999, for the first time the Indian army deployed its new Nishant UAV system in the fight against guerilla forces backed by Pakistan in Kashmir. Nishant, which had been developed for battlefield surveillance and reconnaissance needs of the Indian Army, was test flown again in early 2002. The Nishant is still in the final stages of trials before its induction into the Army. The army is presently using Israeli-made Searcher UAVs. The unduly long delay in the development of the Nishant forced the Indian army to sign a deal with Israel for the acquisition of the highly versatile Searcher-II Unmanned aircraft."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/nishant.htm

Why the delay...is DRDO building it? :lol:
 
What are the chances of Israel exporting the largest UAV to India?
Imho it won't be exported due political pressure from the USA.
 
What are the chances of Israel exporting the largest UAV to India?
Imho it won't be exported due political pressure from the USA.

itsw just a uav . Its not as sensitive as Arrow 2
 
itsw just a uav . Its not as sensitive as Arrow 2

Considering its size Imho it will be able to carry tactical weapons. I'm not sure if can be equipped with subkiloton nukes.
 
@ Key,
yeah, Searcher 2 was got cuz of delays, but like the article says, Nishant is going to be inducted soon.
But obviously it wont be as good either, its a rugged UAV that does not need a runway to land. The Israeli ones are very good.

And yeah, dont we all love our DRDO :D

@Neo,
I dont think that it will not be allowed to be exported to India considering that US itself has started offering us so much. Plus Israel already is willing to sell us pretty much all, so US intervening sounds a bit weird considering the current circumstances.
 
Keeping a watchful ‘eye’ on the enemy

High on the wish list of military commanders in war-torn Afghanistan and Iraq, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) are earning star status in the global war on terrorism. In India too, they are set to play a crucial role in meeting the requirements of the Indian armed forces—Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard and paramilitary forces like Border Security Force—by keeping a watchful ‘eye’ on the enemy, outside as well as within the country. Their USP: UAVs are less expensive to operate than manned platforms, and can perhaps most importantly, conduct highly risky missions without risking human lives.

No wonder, global UAV makers, especially those from the US, France, UK and Israel, are wooing the defence establishment here to become key suppliers. Simultaneously, UAVs represent one of the key defence technologies in which India is developing indigenous expertise. No wonder, domestic defence majors like Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) are seeking overseas partners to collaborate and possibly co-produce these unmanned vehicles.

An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is an aircraft with no onboard pilot. UAVs can be remote controlled or fly autonomously based on pre-programmed flight plans or more complex dynamic automation systems. They are currently used in a number of military roles, including reconnaissance and attack.

What makes UAVs invaluable is their ability to provide eyes in the sky for extended periods of time, beaming real-time images to the ground. Say officials in the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), ‘’in the global war on terror, persistence is vitally important, as it is important to deny the enemy sanctuary. And constant surveillance in his backyard, so to speak, prevents him the opportunity to mass assets and forces. In the event the enemy does this, UAVs offer an additional capability beyond their traditional intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance role. They are now demonstrating a strike capability as well.”

An instance could that be of the US Air Force’s Predator UAV, which earned its stripes flying reconnaissance missions in Bosnia. It showcased similar capability in Iraq and Afghanistan as well. In recent times, the Predator is credited with taking out one of Al Qaeda’s top lieutenants in Afghanistan with a Hellfire missile, and has since been used widely for offensive operations in Iraq. Even when unarmed, the Predator and other UAVs can identify targets so that other strike platforms, such as AC-130 Spectre gunships, can engage them more quickly and effectively.

The Predator is not the only UAV proving its value in this region. The wide variety of UAV systems in the militaries’ inventory around the world ensures that UAV technology is adaptable to the widest range of missions. The US military now has more than a dozen UAV systems in its inventory and is at work on several new ones, including the joint unmanned combat aerial system that will incorporate direct-strike capabilities and a rotary-wing UAV. At the other end of the spectrum, there is hand-launched Dragon Eye system already in use in Iraq that gives squad- or company-level leaders a snapshot of their operating area.

For India, UAVs represent one of the key defence technologies. And that is the reason for a lot of indigenous expertise that is being developed in this regard. Last year, BAE Systems took the wraps off the work it had secretly been doing on unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV). Barely 12 months later, the UK-based company has offered its high endurance rapid technology insertion (HERTI) vehicle for Indian requirements over the next five to 10 years in land, coastal and even maritime roles, says Herman Claesen, the business development executive at BAE’s autonomous systems and future capability section. “India is one of the biggest operators of UAVs in the world,” he adds.

The unique selling point of the HERTI is the simplicity of the package. In this case, the ground station comprises of three boxes that take as much space as a large refrigerator. Three plasma televisions complete the picture. The UAV itself is a fully autonomous task-driven vehicle that does not need any manual control from the ground. It is fitted with wide field sensors and a single narrow one that allows for high-resolution close-ups, inform BAE executives.

While BAE intensifies its sales pitch here, the Israelis have history on their side as India is presently using UAVs, including the Heron and Searcher -2 vehicles, supplied by them. In the absence of airborne warning and control system aircraft, UAVs come to the rescue of the defence forces in Jammu and Kashmir, where glaciers prohibit the installation of radar. The Navy too has deployed Herons to monitor Pakistani naval activities in the Arabian Sea.

Looking at the demand for UAVS in the times to come, almost all the global UAV companies are wooing India. At present, the Indian Army has 12 ‘Nishant’ UAVs for reconnaissance and surveillance operations. The Indian Air Force has also expressed interest in acquiring the indigenously developed UAV.

Nishant, designed and developed by DRDO’s Bangalore-based Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE), has an endurance of over four hours with a 45 kg payload carrying capability. It also has an integrated sensor package that includes a 35mm mini pan camera.

Impressed by Hyderabad-based Speck Systems, the first and only private initiative of its kind in the country, the Army has invited the company for field trials of its product. The UAV, christened, Baaz, has a range of 10 km and can touch an altitude of 10 km. The aircraft is only 0.5 m long with a 1.5 m wingspan.

Also, HAL is scouting for overseas partners to collaborate and possibly co-produce unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). Requests for information have been sent to more than a dozen aircraft manufacturers in France, Israel, Italy, Singapore, South Africa, the United Kingdom and the United States. A senior HAL executive says that UAVs will be crucial in meeting the needs of the armed forces and paramilitary forces.

UAVs can do what people can’t, or ideally, shouldn’t have to and are able to operate at long ranges and don’t tire or lose concentration as a human would over extended periods, particularly when operating in dangerous, high-stress environments.
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=158222
 
It's happy to see so many enthusiastic friends on this forum.
Just talk about some philosophy, from my point of view.
Judged by the point of view of all my friends on this forum.

(1)In the 15'th century, Spain and Portugal realized that they're small nationals and lacks resources, they became the conqure. They grew to be strong powers for about 100 years.

(2)After them, Franch and Germany realized that they're undeveloped countries because of poor education and begins to establish the new education laws and establishments like Italy.

(3)Emperor Peter from Russian realized that his country is still living in the middle ages, and became a big movement of reforming. Russia grow larger.

(4)The Japanese found that they're a quite barbarism island people, the Emperor's reform brought Japan a new start in the world.

(5)China was under beaten for over 100 years and new government realized we should fight for our own technologies. We 're now learning from every nation in the world. It's a long way to go.

(6)Pakistan people realized that the only way to make self-stronger is to develop own-technologies, make own-weapons, instead of always buying them.

(7)Usa, British, Australian friends: The modern world is yours. You have all execuses to be pride in front of us. I have nothing to say. But never forget, if the teacher is not improving , the students will surpass his.

(8)Indians realized that they're the greatest, largest, strongest, democratic-est nation in the world... ...
 
Most umanned aerial vehicles are either traget drones or acts as 'Spies in the Sky' or surveillance. For this purpose $1-billion is a lot to spend, cheaper to buy a predator like UAV off the shelf.

Real purpose behing this project could be to make a pilot less aircraft able to defend itself and act a true UAV fighter.

Predator is a UAV/UCAV but its now only used as UCAV it can be used as a Interceptor the tech is very expensive and I don't know if it is an export product.
 
It's happy to see so many enthusiastic friends on this forum.
Just talk about some philosophy, from my point of view.
Judged by the point of view of all my friends on this forum.

(1)In the 15'th century, Spain and Portugal realized that they're small nationals and lacks resources, they became the conqure. They grew to be strong powers for about 100 years.

(2)After them, Franch and Germany realized that they're undeveloped countries because of poor education and begins to establish the new education laws and establishments like Italy.

(3)Emperor Peter from Russian realized that his country is still living in the middle ages, and became a big movement of reforming. Russia grow larger.

(4)The Japanese found that they're a quite barbarism island people, the Emperor's reform brought Japan a new start in the world.

(5)China was under beaten for over 100 years and new government realized we should fight for our own technologies. We 're now learning from every nation in the world. It's a long way to go.

(6)Pakistan people realized that the only way to make self-stronger is to develop own-technologies, make own-weapons, instead of always buying them.

(7)Usa, British, Australian friends: The modern world is yours. You have all execuses to be pride in front of us. I have nothing to say. But never forget, if the teacher is not improving , the students will surpass his.

(8)Indians realized that they're the greatest, largest, strongest, democratic-est nation in the world... ...

I agree with Him.
 
And what has Pakistan actually made? How much money has it given to its R&D to develop weapon systems?

Licenced assembly is not 'making own weapons' its just buying.

Oki, you know what stop ranting on the same subject over and over again OK. In the past we have provided links to what we have been producing, small arms, etc to some other required defense products, you can search for yourself, and look at IDEASs pictures, I once made a post where I put pictures out showing Navy simulators made in Pakistan (by a Pakistani company in Karachi, etc), we have made APC vehicles, UAVs, Barat shack (Anti-Tank) and other missiles, etc. Just sick and tired of you Indian trolls always barking and bring up the same topic ever single time once we give you an answer.
 

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