EU won’t ally with US against China

[striver44]

Wont make any difference.

This is good thing. Europe will be independed. as they should be. Let two super power fight them self.

We are talking europe not asia pacific here.

says you lol.

Superpowers fought each other using allies, it's just a common traits through times, if Europe (ie. in this case Germany doesn't want to be dragged into he fight , its up to them).

we are talking about a possible relocation of US troops is the Asia Pacific, I know you don't like it because it'll hamper your favorite buddy china in their goal to dominate the Aisa Pacific theater, it's just everything will not be the same for china as they were during the Obama admin

 

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The European Union’s foreign policy chief has ruled out a transatlantic alliance against China and dismissed “systematic rivalry” with Beijing, just hours before he is due to talk to his US counterpart.

EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell called for a “big, positive agenda for EU-China cooperation” on Sunday, just a day before he and the 27 foreign ministers from the bloc are expected to have a videoconference with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

The meeting is expected to focus on China and “disinformation”, and will be followed in a week’s time by the first EU-China summit under European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and European Council President Charles Michel. The two EU chiefs will meet Chinese Premier Li Keqiang, with the discussions expected to focus on market access.

In a post on his official site on Sunday, Borrell said the EU would not pick a side in the US-China conflict, adding that the European style of diplomacy focused on multilateralism and cooperation.

“Amid US-China tensions as the main axis of global politics, the pressure to ‘choose sides’ is increasing,” he said. “We as Europeans have to do it ‘My Way’, with all the challenges this brings.”

He also offered the clearest sign yet that the EU was prepared to tone down its rhetoric of treating China as a “systemic rival”, a policy reached by the last EU Commission team whose term ended late last year.

“Our relations with China are unavoidably complex and multifaceted,” Borrell said. “The words ‘systemic rival’ have drawn a lot of attention, maybe more for the ‘rival’ than the ‘systemic’ part of the expression.

“But it doesn’t mean that we are embarking [on] a systematic rivalry.”
Virginie Battu-Henriksson, Borrell’s spokeswoman, said the statement did not amount to a policy change.

“This is not at all in contradiction with the strategic outlook, which clearly said China is, simultaneously, in different policy areas, a cooperation partner with whom the EU has closely aligned objectives, a negotiating partner with whom the EU needs to find a balance of interests, an economic competitor in the pursuit of technological leadership, and a systemic rival promoting alternative models of governance,” she said.

To avoid conflict beyond its trade war and geopolitical contest with the US, China has repeatedly rejected the idea of systemic rivalry with the EU, saying its relations with the bloc were based on partnership.

“With cooperation and consensus always greater than competition and differences, China and the EU are long-term, comprehensive, strategic partners,” Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told Borrell in a meeting last week.

Borrell’s post echoed this view, promising a “big, positive agenda for EU-China cooperation”.

“China is playing an ever-growing role in global politics, and we have great interest in working together on the many issues where its role is essential, from the recovery of the pandemic to climate change and sustainable connectivity,” he said.

While there had been few results from the EU’s push for China to open up its market further, Borrell said this was an area “where good faith negotiations can produce good outcomes for both sides”.

“I hope we can conclude them as soon as possible to end the current situation of asymmetric openness,” he said, referring to the negotiations over the EU-China investment treaty that both sides hope to complete this year.

While the EU and the US share similar concerns about China’s state-controlled economy, the bloc has rejected calls to hew closer to Washington’s path.

“US-China relations are set on a path of global competition, regardless who will be in the White House next January. And this confrontation will frame the future world order,” Borrell wrote.

He said the transatlantic relationship remained vital for Europe – “the values we share form its bedrock” – but it was strained by US President Donald Trump, whose administration “has taken unilateral decisions with which we do not always agree”.

“The European Way for sure includes working with like-minded to keep the multilateral system as a space for cooperation, even if great powers use it increasingly as a battleground,” he said.

“We must uphold and defend our own interests and values. We must use as a compass not the expectations or pressures from outsiders, but what we as the EU want and need.”

But this was not always easy.

“It is no secret that the 27 member states have differing views on how to best approach this. Some push for alignment, others for equidistance,” he said.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...gainst-china-foreign-policy-chief-says-pompeo

It was written on the wall..
Europeans cant afford another Trump term..NATO is at stake

 

[mmr]

says you lol.

Superpowers fought each other using allies, it's just a common traits through times, if Europe (ie. in this case Germany doesn't want to be dragged into he fight , its up to them).

we are talking about a possible relocation of US troops is the Asia Pacific, I know you don't like it because it'll hamper your favorite buddy china in their goal to dominate the Aisa Pacific theater, it's just ecverything will not be the smae for china as they were during the Obama admin

dont lose your head buddy.

see you getting personal now.


take a chill pill. and get some heart burn medicine. You will need it lol.

 

[striver44]

dont lose your head buddy.

see you getting personal now.


take a chill pill. and get some heart burn medicine. You will need it lol.

nobody is getting heartburn, in fact I support US getting their troops out of Germany, not to mention the recent India-china brawl, all of this will come into SE Asian countries advantage. Indonesia out of all countries benefited from this.

just looking at this map and you'll understand why

 

[mmr]

nobody is getting heartburn, in fact I support US getting their troops out of Germany, not to mention the recent India-china brawl, all of this will come into SE Asian countries advantage. Indonesia out of all countries benefited from this.

just looking at this map and you'll understand why

not interested. I was talking about europe and trade. You are talking something else.

Also usa just moving them to poland from germany.

https://www.stripes.com/news/europe...-increase-in-poland-us-official-says-1.633805

 

[Viet]

And Trump said 10.000 men out of Germany

Still 25,000 US troops in Germany after reducing 10,000
So relax my nationalistic friend concentrate on how many more Viet fishing vessels you will sink.
The 10,000 men will be needed in SC sea for the incoming war.

 

[striver44]

not interested. I was talking about europe and trade. You are talking something else.

Also those usa just moving them to poland.

nobody is asking you to be interested. Europe and their trade with china will decide the outcome of US security commitment in Europe, add that to the increased tension with China, there are possibilities that those troops could be re-deployed to the Asia Pacific theatre.

Sure as I said you may not like it, the same applies to many chinese forumer here months ago when they celebrate their victory on UK Huawei win, their arguments at the time is that UK will not want to upset china and huawei due to trade links between both countries. now we're in June 2020 and UK is on it's way to reduce Huawei 5G share to zero by 2023.

 

[mmr]

nobody is asking you to be interested. Europe and their trade with china will decide the outcome of US security commitment in Europe, add that to the increased tension with China, there are possibilities that those troops could be re-deployed to the Asia Pacific theatre.

Sure as I said you may not like it, the same applies to many chinese forumer here months ago when they celebrate their victory on UK Huawei win, their arguments at the time is that UK will not want to upset china and huawei due to trade links between both countries. now we're in June 2020 and UK is on it's way to reduce Huawei 5G share to zero by 2023.

then dont reply to me lol. i am only interested on european trade policy.

as i said nothing will change. dont hold your breathe.

 

[riscol]

How many Vietnamese ships will be sunken by the Chinese are up to the courage of the Vietnamese sailing into their territory. I watch with great enjoyment how the Chinese keeps kicking the Mongrel. The less US troops in Germany and in EU the better. They can all go home and most likely will not be taking any part of a war between China and US which will never materialize. Nobody is going to protect Vietnam.

 

[striver44]

then dont reply to me lol. i am only interested on european trade policy.

as i said nothing will change. dont hold your breathe.

ummm, you replied to me first lol

everything will change believe me.

 

[mmr]

ummm, you replied to me first lol
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yes i was interested to talk about EU trade policy. you change topic so not interested any more.

Hope you will find some one else to discuss asia pacific. I dont have much idea about that part of the world.

 

[striver44]

yes i was interested to talk about EU trade policy. you change topic so not interested any more.

Hope you will find some one else to discuss asia pacific. I dont have much idea about that part of the world.

it's a very complex issue when we talk about china, you just can't comprehend. sorry

 

[mmr]

it's a very complex issue when we talk about china, you just can't comprehend. sorry

lol ok.

 

[striver44]

lol ok.

good

 

[Viet]

How many Vietnamese ships will be sunken by the Chinese are up to the courage of the Vietnamese sailing into their territory. I watch with great enjoyment how the Chinese keeps kicking the Mongrel. The less US troops in Germany and in EU the better. They can all go home and most likely will not be taking any part of a war between China and US which will never materialize. Nobody is going to protect Vietnam.

Even if we fight alone, winning a war against us won’t be easy. The Mongol army thought the same after defeating Chinese army. Millions of deaths on both sides were the outcome of the 3 Vietnam-Mongol wars. I don’t understand why you enjoy bloodshed.