EU opens legal case against Warsaw, Budapest, Prague over migration

[Penguin]

http://www.wur.nl/en/Expertise-Serv...al-Policy/Direct-farm-payments-1st-pillar.htm

 

[Piotr]

Possibly because our productivity per hectare is greater? So, if we are to produce less - say, to avoid surplusses like milk pools and butter mountains - then that costs more than it would cost elsewhere.

Or, because out gross value added is greater (same effect). The Netherlands is one of the world’s largest agricultural producers, exporting 65 billion Euros worth of vegetables, fruit, flowers, meat and dairy products each year.
https://www.government.nl/topics/agriculture

As well as being an important producer and global supplier of flowers, vegetables, meat and dairy products, the Netherlands is also increasingly exporting high-quality agricultural materials, knowledge and technology. In 2016, the export of commodities such as agricultural machines, fertilisers, special climate control systems and applications for the food industry brought in nearly 9 billion euros (+2.2% compared to 2015) on top of the 85 billion euros in traditional agricultural goods. The export of greenhouse materials grew the most (+370 million euros). This development seamlessly ties in with Minister for Agriculture Van Dam's vision for exports, which focuses on reinforcing the Netherlands' leading position in the agri & food sector by exporting knowledge and innovation in addition to traditional agricultural produce, and on helping to boost the sustainability of world food provision.
https://www.government.nl/topics/ag...agri-food-exports-achieve-record-high-in-2016

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Agriculture_statistics_at_regional_level


Anyway, situation seems to have improved since 2008:

"On average, Dutch farmers get €1299 per hectare, while Portuguese farmers get just €88."
http://capreform.eu/dutch-farmers-get-most-subsidy-per-hectare/

If now 417 euro ($467) per hectare, we get a lot less subsidy per hectare than a decade ago!

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This is also interesting....!

EU Farm subsidies for Netherlands
These pages list farm subsidy payments made in Netherlands as published directly by the government of Netherlands or sourced via freedom of information requests.
http://farmsubsidy.openspending.org/NL/

Top recipients

Recipient name Amount
Avebe B.A. €433,774,989
Campina Melkunie Veghel €260,114,283
NESTLE NEDERLAND BV €193,279,415
HOOGWEGT INTERNATIONAL BV €161,601,809
Navobi B.V. €151,243,294

The cooperative Avebe U.A. (abbreviation of Aardappelmeel Verkoop Bureau) is an international Dutch starch manufacturer located in the north of the Netherlands and produces starch products based on potato starch and potato protein for use in food, animal feed, paper, construction, textiles and adhesives. About 2500 farmers are member of Avebe. The cooperation is divided into six districts (two in Germany and four in the Netherlands). Avebe starch factories in the Netherlands, Germany and Sweden processes about 3 million tons in potatoes. Revenues € 521.1 million (2014-2015) http://www.avebe.com/

Friesland Campina: 22000 employees, offices in 33 countries, exports to 100 countries.
With annual revenue of 11.0 billion euros, FrieslandCampina is one of the world’s largest dairy companies.
https://www.frieslandcampina.com/en/organisation/who-we-are/

Nestlé S.A. is a Swiss transnational food and drink company headquartered in Vevey, Vaud, Switzerland. It has been the largest food company in the world, measured by revenues and other metrics, for 2014, 2015, and 2016. Nestle Nederland BV is the Dutch branch.http://www.nestle.nl/

Hoogwegt International provides an extensive range of milk powders, butter fats, and whey products for the world dairy market. Hoogwegt Group is the world's largest privately owned dairy ingredient provider. http://www.hoogwegtinternational.com/en

Navobi produces calfmilk replacer. It is the largest calfmilkpowderproducer of the VanDrie Group and also of the world. http://www.navobi.com/

Most important subsidy schemes:
Bedrijfstoeslagregeling €2,692,094,235
Milk and diary products €1,855,283,274
Direct payments under European Agricultural Guarantee Fund €739,214,572
Restitutions for certain goods, obtained by €505,041,604
All schemes: http://farmsubsidy.openspending.org/NL/scheme/

Possibly your productivity per hectare is greater because you receive higher agricultural subsidies .

 

[Penguin]

Possibly your productivity per hectare is greater because you receive higher agricultural subsidies .

Nah.

It is mainly the Bedrijfstoeslagregeling that causes the difference, as it is based on historical payments, not area or production or number of lifestock.

Possibly your productivity per hectare is greater because you receive higher agricultural subsidies .

No, it is higher because we innovate.

 

[Stuttgart001]

To be honest, there is a question I want to ask Western European ,why they are so picky on the Eastern European migrants ,while they seem to be more kind to those migrants from Africa and Middle East.
It is kind of political correctness in Western Europe media that open the arms to the poor immigrants from Africa and ME , but why Eastern European immigrants could not get the same status in the eyes of media.
And I do not think immigrants from other areas behave better than those from Eastern Europe nations.
Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Piotr]

No, it is higher because we innovate.

Are you saying that we do not innovate ?

 

[Penguin]

Are you saying that we do not innovate ?

No. I'm saying we innovate more/better/sooner.

http://ec.europa.eu/growth/industry/innovation/facts-figures/scoreboards_nl

(anyway, you missed the point on the bedrijfstoeslagregeling, which is awarded to company/business/farm, irrespective of area, production or number of lifestock, and which creates a situatin in which subsidy amount is determined by 'historical level' in different countries. This is slowly being fased out.)

 

[Piotr]

No. I'm saying we innovate more/better/sooner.

Because you receive higher agricultural subsidies

 

[Penguin]

Because you receive higher agricultural subsidies

Really?

If done well, these rapidly developing countries' agricultural investments could support innovation and help build a stronger middle class, feed the hungry, produce surpluses for export and pull millions of the rural poor out of poverty and into better lifestyles. But such spending must be very targeted and short term. For example, a subsidy could be used to support the adoption of technologies or practices that are not common with producers. But, once proven to be cost effective, the subsidies should be removed. In general, subsidies should be employed to change behaviour and solve specific problems rather than to serve as a long-term crutch for producers. If not, it will stifle innovation and make producers both less competitive and more dependent on government.

On our finite planet, where natural resources are increasingly hard to come by, it's important for producers to focus on doing more with less. Subsidies tend to reduce incentives for producers to boost efficiency and shift their focus from crops to farming subsidies. As a result, many end up doing less with more.

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/agricultural-subsidies-reform-government-support

As demonstrated, we've been getting more subsidies for at least 10 years, probably longer. That's not short term.

Moreover,
https://www.hrk.de/press/press-rele...-disadvantage-of-research-and-innovation-353/

So, no, that's not the case.

 

[Piotr]

Really?


https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/agricultural-subsidies-reform-government-support

As demonstrated, we've been getting more subsidies for at least 10 years, probably longer. That's not short term.

Moreover,
https://www.hrk.de/press/press-rele...-disadvantage-of-research-and-innovation-353/

So, no, that's not the case.

You are just finding lame excuses ! Farmers in Polska deserve subsidies as high as in the Netherlands.

 

[Penguin]

You are just finding lame excuses ! Farmers in Polska deserve subsidies as high as in the Netherlands.

You are just blurting out unsubstantiated claims. WHjy don't you start by first examining what subsidies there are and how they work and how EU is addressing historical differences between countries in that context, before you open your mouth again.

 

[gangsta_rap]

not surprised. These kurwa types never really were ones who pay their fair due.

 

[Piotr]

You are just blurting out unsubstantiated claims. WHjy don't you start by first examining what subsidies there are and how they work and how EU is addressing historical differences between countries in that context, before you open your mouth again.

It seems that you're a big fan of Nazi remnant Geert Wilders. Do you think that Polish farmers are worse than Dutch farmers ? Do you think that Polish farmers do not deserve equal treatment ? You're just trying to justify unequal treatment of Polish farmers !

 

[Penguin]

It seems that you're a big fan of Nazi remnant Geert Wilders. Do you think that Polish farmers are worse than Dutch farmers ? Do you think that Polish farmers do not deserve equal treatment ? You're just trying to justify unequal treatment of Polish farmers !

Oh, does it seem so now? Funny how a pole, from one of those countries that got away from under the CCCP rule, and which country is not pro-Russia, is so in the Russian camp blurting anti-US bs. Are you on FSB payroll?

The fact you keep on blurting about farmers, while I've shown you already the biggest subsidies do not go to individual framing businesses, but to the companies that process their produce, says enough.

I don't justifiy anything, I've explained to you where the difference comes from (and you still don't get it).

I think you suck about as bad a Geert Wilders, maybe even a bit more.

 

[Piotr]

Oh, does it seem so now? Funny how a pole, from one of those countries that got away from under the CCCP rule, and which country is not pro-Russia, is so in the Russian camp blurting anti-US bs. Are you on FSB payroll?

The fact you keep on blurting about farmers, while I've shown you already the biggest subsidies do not go to individual framing businesses, but to the companies that process their produce, says enough.

I don't justifiy anything, I've explained to you where the difference comes from (and you still don't get it).

I think you suck about as bad a Geert Wilders, maybe even a bit more.

Not "pole" but "Pole". It seems that you really are a big fan of Nazi remnant Geert Wilders.

 

[Penguin]

Not "pole" but "Pole". It seems that you really are a big fan of Nazi remnant Geert Wilders.

Nah, I just wrote it that way because I know it annoys you. A Pole wouldn't ran't on like you do. You started with the Geert Wilders bit, so don't cry now. Don't dish it out if you can't take it in.