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Trump’s Trade War With China Doesn’t Look Like a Win
Bloomberg
By Noah Smith
April.16 2019

In March 2018, President Donald Trump uttered his famous declaration that “trade wars are good and easy to win.” A little more than a year later, it looks as if Trump is losing the trade war he started with China.

The tariffs that Trump slapped on Chinese goods -- and the additional tariffs he threatened -- may have dinged China’s economy. Most data sourcesindicate that Chinese growth slowed a bit in 2018. That dip could have been due to government efforts to constrain credit growth, but many believe that Trump’s tariffs hurt business confidence and slowed investment. That makes sense, since any company thinking about making their products in China would have to worry that Trump would make it hard to sell those products in the U.S. The trade war has given multinationals an incentive to accelerate their plans to shift production out of China, and has probably made Chinese companies more cautious as well:

But the U.S. was also sideswiped by the trade war. Taxing Chinese-made products raised prices for American consumers and factories alike. A pair of studies by trade economists put the losses to the U.S. economy in the tens of billions of dollars annually.

And that doesn’t count the impact of Chinese retaliation. Although the U.S. runs a trade deficit with China, it still exports almost $200 billion a year to that country. Chinese tariffs hit American farmers hard, as the country halted most imports of soybeans from the U.S.:

Soy Vey


Trailing three-month Chinese imports of U.S. soybeans have fallen to their lowest level in three years, during what should be peak season

Inventories piled up. U.S. agricultural exports, which had been growing exponentially, started to fall, and farm incomes declined. Desperate farmers appealed to Trump for help, and he responded with a wave of direct paymentsto farmers. But going on the government dole isn't a sustainable business model, and a wave of farm bankruptcieshas begun. So far, farmers haven’t abandoned Trump politically, but the threat is clearly there.

This demonstrates why China was always in a better position to win a trade war with the U.S. China’s autocratic regime is much less vulnerable to the shifting winds of politics than the U.S.’s democratically elected politicians. Also, China much more recently escaped from poverty, and its residents are more accustomed to enduring economic hardship. And since China is still catching up with the rest of the world, a slowdown there means going from 6.5 percent annual growth to 6 or 5.5 percent, while a slowdown in the more mature U.S. economy means a significant hit or even a halt to growth.

trade truce with China, enacted in late 2018, left most of the U.S.’s biggest goals -- intellectual property theft, currency manipulation, forced technology transfer and access to the Chinese market -- unfulfilled. Essentially, China will buy more U.S. farm products and a few other exports, and Trump will back off. A final deal is likely to look even more like an ignominious defeat for the Trump administration.

Meanwhile, there are signs that the Chinese slowdown has bottomed out, as the government unleashes some fresh stimulus.


But tariffs are only one aspect of the trade war. Although it has been less in the public eye, the struggle to control the future of high technology is arguably even more important to the balance of economic power between the U.S. and China. And the U.S. may also be losing on this front as well.

The U.S. has recently been putting pressure on Huawei Technologies Co., China’s leading telecommunications manufacturer. It has tried to pressureAmerican allies not to buy 5G wireless technology from the company, which some believe to be an arm of the Chinese military. American security services worry that Huawei-made 5G products would be able to spy on communications around the world. But in a big blow to that effort, Germany recently saidit would not shut Huawei out.

Meanwhile, the U.S. has implemented export controls on many technology products. Many Chinese manufacturers rely on sophisticated American technology -- for example, some Chinese circuit makers rely on U.S.-made semiconductors. Export controls will hurt Chinese tech in the short term, but in the long term it could merely push China to accelerate its efforts to replicate and surpass U.S. technology. In the past, the U.S. has benefitted from retaining the high-value parts of the supply chain, even as it outsourced the lower-value parts to China. But if China becomes a technological peer, its companies will begin to compete more directly with American ones, as Japanese companies did in the 1970s and 1980s.

So Trump’s trade war is looking shaky on all fronts. His ferocious attacks inflicted some damage, but China could take the losses, and is now battling back with great effectiveness. It turns out that trade wars weren’t quite as easy to win as Trump believed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...-trade-war-with-china-doesn-t-look-like-a-win
 
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We've been dealing with US for decades and they keep accusing us this and that, when did we listen and change what we have been doing? they just talk and we just ignore.
We have been dealing with the US too even before the communist ever came being. But you failed in foreseeing the US actually pushing the red button. You took Trump as a joke, you still do. If US actually start sanctioning, you got nothing to do but comply. Including EU. Forget India.
 
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India has no choice but to comply with US in this regard because Delhi hasn't been made a NATO type ally and being signed with LEMOA etc agreements. Since a while, India has been establishing much more stronger ties with Gulf countries for many reasons including Oil Import on top. Not to mention when Modi met Saudi Prince MBS in Argentina during a summit lastly. India was informed already hence, diverted its attention so it shouldn't be of any surprise for anyone though, Iran may found it unexpected.
 
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As for the ongoing trade war between China and US, who is winning?
haha, where are you winning? The factories are moving out of China because of increased tarriffs. Jut recently Foxconn announec moving business out of China to Vietnam. You're still riding on the non tarriffs goods and Hong Kong for your trade with the US. Soon, the US will close in on HK too. Your CCP knows it, that's why they are desperately trying for a deal but, it seems Trump is in no mood.

The US sanctioned Russia, and see what happened to them. Did EU complain? Yes they did, but they kept the sanctions.
 
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We have been dealing with the US too even before the communist ever came being. But you failed in foreseeing the US actually pushing the red button. You took Trump as a joke, you still do. If US actually start sanctioning, you got nothing to do but comply. Including EU. Forget India.
We are the world biggest trading nation, industrial nation, manufacturing nationa and retail market, the trade war between China and US has been going on for a year already, it's true that our export to US slumped, but our trade volume and surplus skyrocketed, how can they hurt us before they hurt themselves more?
 
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Any move by Beijing to keep buying Iranian oil — which analysts predicted China almost certainly will find some way to do — would force the United States to decide whether to impose sanctions on Chinese financial institutions, which are increasingly important in the worldwide economy. China could also set up a new vehicle as an alternative to using the current banking mechanisms, as the European nations have done to keep doing some business with Iran.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/world/middleeast/us-iran-oil-sanctions-.html
FYI:

[1] https://dailytimes.com.pk/350344/hi...crude-oil-imports-drop-to-3-year-low-in-2018/

[2] https://www.voanews.com/a/iran-oil-exports/4878139.html

[3] https://www.hartenergy.com/news/irans-oil-exports-fall-even-further-us-clampdown-178515

Iranian oil exports are dropping fast.

Trump administration is watching these developments closely and will penalize any move from any country in relation to oil imports from Iran from now on - USD or not. Sanctions can be imposed for any development in any form - not limited to USD currency.

Not sure when it will be down to ZERO in the case of Iran but buyers have alternatives.
 
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We have been dealing with the US too even before the communist ever came being. But you failed in foreseeing the US actually pushing the red button. You took Trump as a joke, you still do. If US actually start sanctioning, you got nothing to do but comply. Including EU. Forget India.
Looks like u still live in delusion. Beijingwalker clearly posed an article that even US can't beat China in trade war, not to mention sanction China for Iran. Don't compare yourself with China. You are far inferior and not same level with China. Only China and US are 2 great economic power.
 
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The hardest hit by these oil sanctions will be Turkey, India and China. China is Irans biggest customer.

The EU will be fine, they use INSTEX to circumvent oil sanctions.

"INSTEX, the Instrument in Support of Trade Exchanges, is a European-government-controlled Special Purpose Vehicle that would allow companies based in the European Union to continue to engage in business with Iran without running afoul of US sanctions"

"The decision not to grant any more waivers “is likely to be most impactful for India, Turkey, and China,” said Samantha Sultoon, a senior fellow with the Atlantic Council’s Global Business and Economics Program and the Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security"

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...s-waivers-for-countries-importing-iranian-oil
 
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Any move by Beijing to keep buying Iranian oil — which analysts predicted China almost certainly will find some way to do — would force the United States to decide whether to impose sanctions on Chinese financial institutions, which are increasingly important in the worldwide economy. China could also set up a new vehicle as an alternative to using the current banking mechanisms, as the European nations have done to keep doing some business with Iran.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/world/middleeast/us-iran-oil-sanctions-.html
if China do that it will motivate many countries to join in .
 
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I bet with u. China will not be a coward like India. Don't compare yourself with China. You are far below. :enjoy:
CCP stronk feelz. :enjoy:

Looks like u still live in delusion. Beijingwalker clearly posed an article that even US can't beat China in trade war, not to mention sanction China for Iran. Don't compare yourself with China. You are far inferior and not same level with China. Only China and US are 2 great economic power.
No time for bots. Bye. :D

We are the world biggest trading nation, industrial nation, manufacturing nationa and retail market, the trade war between China and US has been going on for a year already, it's true that our export to US slumped, but our trade volume and surplus skyrocketed, how can they hurt us before they hurt themselves more?
And yet, US did what it is doing now. Why China thinks is it is irreplaceable nation? It's not any loss in business from China is gained somewhere in SEAsia or S Asia. Need I remind you on what happened when China tried to use trade as a threat in case of REE? Or the number of factories closing down in China, the businesses moving out. How sustainable is your surplus trade? It is yet to be seen, as I said the temporary increase is considering China moving it's trade through HK. These are only stop gap measures until a trade deal is signed.

And the original article mentioned, if Chinese companies are sanction, it'll be difficult for them to deal with other countries even ME which are essentially sided with the US or the Europe because again, the largest trade partners of Europe are the US and it'll be a loss of billions of dollars for them for nothing.

China would fall in line eventually after making a lot of noises. India will comply again after trying for some backdoor deals with the US. If at all that happens. I don't think there will be a concession given this will be availed by countries in EU and China.

What options do you have? Defy US, invite sanctions loss billions over it?
 
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China is the world biggest retail market, as what is showing now, US suffers more when sanctioning China, as the world biggest trader and manufacturer, China can easily sanction others but not otherway around, China is expanding her trade all across the world and US market is becoming not as important for China's overall global trade volumes, and China has the world biggest middle class and is already the world biggest retail mariket, which is still getting increasingly bigger by the day, US business society needs China more than ever now.

US policies are largely dictated and influenced by the super rich business people, they take care of their own interest before the national interest, so the pain US can endure is far less than China can take, China can always sacrifice anything for the national interest, there's no way US can beat China in this regard, that's why even Bloomberg can see its country is losing the trade war with China.
 
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