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Ethnic cleansing of Muslim Rohingya's in Burma/Myanmar

Well rohingyas are not innocent. They start the riots when majority hit back cry baby.

Your hatred for the Islam faith cannot be hidden. You are generalizing about millions of people. Even the Muslims in your own country you have to have a go at. You obviously are unfamiliar with the facts hence are lashing out allowing your natural race hatred to come out. The fact is "ethnic cleansing " is taking place and is blatantly obvious.
The world is quick to jump on atrocities around the world - lets hope they dont sweep this under the carpet as innocent people are being slaughtered. For once dont view with and look at the religion as we can see your hatred - look at the humanitarian and look at the ground facts of reality..
 
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Problem is Hindu-phobic mullahs can't even debate properly!!

It is the Islamic radicals that are spreading hatred around the world and It is the Radical Islam followers who has been involved in issues anywhere on this earth!! Can you deny that?

There is no point in debating with people who have already made up their mind.
 
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There is no point in debating with someone who has already made up his mind.

Is it not true radicals of your religion have been at the root of all the problem world-wide? Look any.. They are good enough to cast the image for other followers..

Your hatred for the Islam faith cannot be hidden. You are generalizing about millions of people. Even the Muslims in your own country you have to have a go at. You obviously are unfamiliar with the facts hence are lashing out allowing your natural race hatred to come out. The fact is "ethnic cleansing " is taking place and is blatantly obvious.
The world is quick to jump on atrocities around the world - lets hope they dont sweep this under the carpet as innocent people are being slaughtered. For once dont view with and look at the religion as we can see your hatred - look at the humanitarian and look at the ground facts of reality..

He just said some Rohingyas started the riots which is a fact.. Don't know why you needed to build a movie story out of it?
 
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My question is burma has other than Buddhist peoples. Why there is problem only with rohingya muslims.

Is there any other ethnic group that
1 - has had its nationality revoked?
2 - is put into forced labor?
3 - can't own property?
4 - needs state permission to marry?
5 - is forbidden from having more than two kids?
6 - has been called by human rights watchers the most endagered human population on earth?
7 - or recently watched 10 of its coreligionists being burned to death over a crime they didn't commit?
As I said before, the Rohingya are clearly not initiating any aggression -- they're reacting to it; the suffering was already there before the riots. Your need to spin this against the Rohingya is nothing but an attempt to demonize the victim. If Muslims in, say, Malaysia treated Buddhists like the Burmese do the Ronhingya, would you display such callousness towards the victims and this same sympathy with the oppressors?

In any event, it isn't just the Rohingya who have called attention to this. Burma in general seems to be far, far, far from being ethnically harmonious.
 
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No train burned by Muslims extremists= No Gujurat Riots

Not sure if it was even proven conclusively that it was the work of Muslim extremists. Anyway there is a thread dedicated for the Gujarat massacre. Lets take this discussion there, if we need to discuss this any further.
 
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Your hatred for the Islam faith cannot be hidden. You are generalizing about millions of people. Even the Muslims in your own country you have to have a go at. You obviously are unfamiliar with the facts hence are lashing out allowing your natural race hatred to come out. The fact is "ethnic cleansing " is taking place and is blatantly obvious.
The world is quick to jump on atrocities around the world - lets hope they dont sweep this under the carpet as innocent people are being slaughtered. For once dont view with and look at the religion as we can see your hatred - look at the humanitarian and look at the ground facts of reality..

If they are in minority why they need to start the riots? They should learn to live in peace and harmony.
 
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Not sure if it was even proven conclusively that it was the work of Muslim extremists. Anyway there is a thread dedicated for the Gujarat massacre. Lets take this discussion there, if we need to discuss this any further.

I do not even bother debating with bigotted Hindus their many massacres againts minorities in India since they go their independence in 1947.
 
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He just said some Rohingyas started the riots which is a fact.. Don't know why you needed to build a movie story out of it?

O dear another racist bandwagon bigot - Have to stick up for your buddy? Read his posts carefully and see how they are laced with racism. Grow up and stop foaming at the mouth. Atrocity is atrocity wherever it is - be it Muslim or Christian. Your views are showing us how tolerant you are of other faiths. The fact is innocent PEOPLE are being slaughtered for no reason - and thats wrong in anyones eyes. Now if you havent got anything constructive to say - remain silent..
 
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Not sure if it was even proven conclusively that it was the work of Muslim extremists. Anyway there is a thread dedicated for the Gujarat massacre. Lets take this discussion there, if we need to discuss this any further.

Same people saying 9/11 is inside job.
 
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Is it not true radicals of your religion have been at the root of all the problem world-wide? Look any.. They are good enough to cast the image for other followers..

He just said some Rohingyas started the riots which is a fact.. Don't know why you needed to build a movie story out of it?

Now I understand why these Islamophobe Hindu extremists are not banned in this site, without people like these, how would we make the world understand what stuff these people are made of? They are exhibit-A for the evidence of such ideas running rampant in the so-called largest democracy in the world.

If they are in minority why they need to start the riots? They should learn to live in peace and harmony.

A Buddhist girl was raped and killed and there was allegation that some Muslims did it. While the trial was in process, 10 innocent Muslim Rohingya's were pulled from a bus, beaten up and killed by angry Buddhists. There were protests which was fired on by the police killing several more people. Then the rioting started with burning of houses. In Bengali we say it is Mog-er Mulluk, these people, Rakhines and Burmans, are from another planet. Since no journalists are allowed in that area, it is hard to tell what is going on and what actually did happen. The above could be the Rakhine version of events for all we know.

But the bigger picture is that they have purged 1.2 million out of 2 million, they have not even given them citizenship since 1947 and they want them out. It is natural to guess that they are looking for excuses and opportunities to purge them or wipe out their existence.
 
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O dear another racist bandwagon bigot - Have to stick up for your buddy? Read his posts carefully and see how they are laced with racism. Grow up and stop foaming at the mouth. Atrocity is atrocity wherever it is - be it Muslim or Christian. Your views are showing us how tolerant you are of other faiths. The fact is innocent PEOPLE are being slaughtered for no reason - and thats wrong in anyones eyes. Now if you havent got anything constructive to say - remain silent..

Lol, racist bigot. Is that me? For what? Because I said Rohingyas started the fight.. Great Pakistani logic on display.. and stop the bull, I never said a word about Muslim or Christian.. It is you guys and the insecure Bangladeshis who are hiding behind religion..

Now I understand why these Islamophobe Hindu extremists are not banned in this site, without people like these, how would we make the world understand what stuff these people are made of? They are exhibit-A for the evidence of such ideas running rampant in the so-called largest democracy in the world.

So called Islamophobe Hindu extremists are made of same stuff as other human beings and they hate the radical follower of a religion like all other followers of the same religion and other religion do.. Radicals definitely suppose to take offense in it..
 
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By THOMAS FULLER
Published: June 15, 2012

BANGKOK — Over the past year, Myanmar’s government has ended its heavy censorship, allowing citizens unfettered access to a wide variety of Web sites that had been banned during military rule. When the government first began dismantling its Internet controls in August, visits to sites like YouTube soared.

But as the poverty-stricken country of 55 million makes a delicate transition to democracy, hateful comments are also flourishing online about a Muslim ethnic group, the Rohingya, that is embroiled in sectarian clashes in western Myanmar that have left more than two dozen people dead.

“The lid of authoritarianism has come off, and people finally have the freedom to express themselves,” said U Aung Naing Oo, the author of “Dialogue,” a book about conflict resolution in Myanmar’s fractious society. “All these grievances have come out,” and “the voices of reason are on the sidelines for now.”

When the discovery of a “Rohingya body” was announced Thursday on the Facebook page of the Eleven Media Group, one of the largest private media organizations in Myanmar, one reader, Pyaephyo Aung, wrote that he had been “waiting for this kind of news for a long time.” Another reader, Ko Nyi, used a racial slur and said, “It’s not even enough that he is dead.”

In online forums, Rohingya are referred to as dogs, thieves, terrorists and various expletives. Commenters urge the government to “make them disappear” and seem particularly enraged that Western countries and the United Nations are highlighting their plight.

The violence in Rakhine State, which borders Bangladesh, has left 29 people dead and more than 2,500 houses burned during the past week, according to officials quoted in the Burmese news media. About 30,000 people have been displaced by the violence, according to the United Nations.

Harder to measure has been damage to Myanmar’s complex multiethnic fabric as the government of President Thein Sein tries to steer the country toward reconciliation between the military and the people, and between the Bamar majority and the dozens of smaller ethnic groups.

So far, the violence has been limited to Rakhine, which is relatively isolated from the rest of the country by a mountain range. But many among those who have posted angry comments on Internet sites have equated the Rohingya with other Muslims scattered around Myanmar. In Yangon, Myanmar’s main city, worshipers at mosques reported that prayer services left out traditional Friday sermons as a precaution against widening the sectarian conflict.

The issue of the Rohingya is so delicate that even Myanmar’s leading defender of human rights and democracy, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, has been oblique and evasive about the situation. Asked at a news conference on Thursday whether the estimated 800,000 Rohingyas in Myanmar should be given citizenship, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi was equivocal. “We have to be very clear about what the laws of citizenship are and who are entitled to them,” she said in Geneva, which she was visiting as part of a European tour. “All those who are entitled to citizenship should be treated as full citizens deserving all the rights that must be given to them.”

Defending the Rohingya, who are stateless and are described by the United Nations as one of the most oppressed minorities in Asia, is politically risky for both Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi and Mr. Thein Sein.
Mr. Thein Sein’s government is trying to rein in the news media to limit violence against the Rohingya. A popular publication called Hlyat Ta Pyet was banned this week for an indefinite period after it published what the government judged to be inflammatory coverage of the violence in Rakhine, said U Maung Myint, president of the Burma Media Association, which advocates media freedom.

The government has also ordered that all Rakhine-related news go through the censorship board, a rollback to the procedures during military rule. “This is the worst moment for media since the ‘civilian’ government assumed power,” Mr. Maung Myint said.

The Internet, however, has remained unfettered — and heavily tilted against the Rohingya. On Facebook and on news sites, there appeared to be very few comments this week defending the Rohingya or calling for reconciliation.

A United Nations report published in December described the Rohingya as “virtually friendless” among other ethnic groups in Myanmar. That is a polite assessment.

The source of the hatred toward the Rohingya is complex but appears to turn on religion, language, colonial resentment, nationalism and skin color.

In 2009, a Burmese diplomat who was then consul general in Hong Kong sent a letter to local newspapers and other diplomatic missions calling the Rohingya “ugly as ogres.” The diplomat, U Ye Myint Aung, compared the “dark brown” complexion of Rohingyas with the “fair and soft” skin of the majority of people in Myanmar.

The Rohingya are often called “Bengali” by their opponents in Myanmar, a term that suggests that they belong in India or Bangladesh.

Although they have been denied citizenship and are subjected to “forced labor, extortion, restriction on freedom of movement, the absence of residence rights, inequitable marriage regulations and land confiscation,” according to the United Nations, the government has allowed many of them to vote, including in the country’s first elections after military rule, in 2010.

Like the Roma of Europe, they are not wanted in either Myanmar or neighboring Bangladesh. United Nations officials in Geneva said Friday that Bangladeshi border guards were pushing back boatloads of people trying to flee. The boats, laden with women, children and others wounded in the violence, have been left drifting in the broad Naf River delta between the two countries, short of food and water, said the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

The provenance of the Rohingya is as difficult to trace as that of many of Myanmar’s other ethnic groups: they appear to be a mixture of Arabs, Moors, Turks, Persians, Moguls and Pathans, according to the United Nations. Myanmar’s government counts more than 130 ethnicities in the country. The Rohingya are not on that list.

Many online commentators in Myanmar have called for the expulsion of the Rohingya — or worse. When the Eleven Media Group reported Thursday that a woman’s corpse was spotted floating in a river, but did not disclose the ethnicity of the victim, one reader said he was confused. “I don’t know if I should be happy or sad,” he said, “because I don’t know what nationality she is.”

Poypiti Amatatham contributed reporting from Bangkok, and Nick Cumming-Bruce from Geneva.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/w...ohingya-muslim-group.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
 
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Lol, racist bigot. Is that me? For what? Because I said Rohingyas started the fight.. Great Pakistani logic on display.. and stop the bull, I never said a word about Muslim or Christian.. It is you guys and the insecure Bangladeshis who are hiding behind religion..

So called Islamophobe Hindu extremists are made of same stuff as other human beings and they hate the radical follower of a religion like all other followers of the same religion and other religion do.. Radicals definitely suppose to take offense in it..

You are attacking Rohingya Muslims and blaming the victims without knowing full details of the situation. It's an automatic reflexive reactive of Muslim hating Islamophobes, oh Muslims involved in something, it must be their fault.

What proof do you have that I am an extremist? I am absolutely anti-India, because India has been a pain the neck for us since 1947, but does that make me a extremist? You guys label anyone Jamati, rajakar and extremist if they go against your views and interest, that is what I noticed. In fact some of our own Bangladeshi Muslims do the same, following your lead.

By THOMAS FULLER
Published: June 15, 2012

BANGKOK — Over the past year, Myanmar’s government has ended its heavy censorship, allowing citizens unfettered access to a wide variety of Web sites that had been banned during military rule. When the government first began dismantling its Internet controls in August, visits to sites like YouTube soared.

But as the poverty-stricken country of 55 million makes a delicate transition to democracy, hateful comments are also flourishing online about a Muslim ethnic group, the Rohingya, that is embroiled in sectarian clashes in western Myanmar that have left more than two dozen people dead.

“The lid of authoritarianism has come off, and people finally have the freedom to express themselves,” said U Aung Naing Oo, the author of “Dialogue,” a book about conflict resolution in Myanmar’s fractious society. “All these grievances have come out,” and “the voices of reason are on the sidelines for now.”

When the discovery of a “Rohingya body” was announced Thursday on the Facebook page of the Eleven Media Group, one of the largest private media organizations in Myanmar, one reader, Pyaephyo Aung, wrote that he had been “waiting for this kind of news for a long time.” Another reader, Ko Nyi, used a racial slur and said, “It’s not even enough that he is dead.”

In online forums, Rohingya are referred to as dogs, thieves, terrorists and various expletives. Commenters urge the government to “make them disappear” and seem particularly enraged that Western countries and the United Nations are highlighting their plight.

The violence in Rakhine State, which borders Bangladesh, has left 29 people dead and more than 2,500 houses burned during the past week, according to officials quoted in the Burmese news media. About 30,000 people have been displaced by the violence, according to the United Nations.

Harder to measure has been damage to Myanmar’s complex multiethnic fabric as the government of President Thein Sein tries to steer the country toward reconciliation between the military and the people, and between the Bamar majority and the dozens of smaller ethnic groups.

So far, the violence has been limited to Rakhine, which is relatively isolated from the rest of the country by a mountain range. But many among those who have posted angry comments on Internet sites have equated the Rohingya with other Muslims scattered around Myanmar. In Yangon, Myanmar’s main city, worshipers at mosques reported that prayer services left out traditional Friday sermons as a precaution against widening the sectarian conflict.

The issue of the Rohingya is so delicate that even Myanmar’s leading defender of human rights and democracy, Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, has been oblique and evasive about the situation. Asked at a news conference on Thursday whether the estimated 800,000 Rohingyas in Myanmar should be given citizenship, Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi was equivocal. “We have to be very clear about what the laws of citizenship are and who are entitled to them,” she said in Geneva, which she was visiting as part of a European tour. “All those who are entitled to citizenship should be treated as full citizens deserving all the rights that must be given to them.”

Defending the Rohingya, who are stateless and are described by the United Nations as one of the most oppressed minorities in Asia, is politically risky for both Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi and Mr. Thein Sein.
Mr. Thein Sein’s government is trying to rein in the news media to limit violence against the Rohingya. A popular publication called Hlyat Ta Pyet was banned this week for an indefinite period after it published what the government judged to be inflammatory coverage of the violence in Rakhine, said U Maung Myint, president of the Burma Media Association, which advocates media freedom.

The government has also ordered that all Rakhine-related news go through the censorship board, a rollback to the procedures during military rule. “This is the worst moment for media since the ‘civilian’ government assumed power,” Mr. Maung Myint said.

The Internet, however, has remained unfettered — and heavily tilted against the Rohingya. On Facebook and on news sites, there appeared to be very few comments this week defending the Rohingya or calling for reconciliation.

A United Nations report published in December described the Rohingya as “virtually friendless” among other ethnic groups in Myanmar. That is a polite assessment.

The source of the hatred toward the Rohingya is complex but appears to turn on religion, language, colonial resentment, nationalism and skin color.

In 2009, a Burmese diplomat who was then consul general in Hong Kong sent a letter to local newspapers and other diplomatic missions calling the Rohingya “ugly as ogres.” The diplomat, U Ye Myint Aung, compared the “dark brown” complexion of Rohingyas with the “fair and soft” skin of the majority of people in Myanmar.

The Rohingya are often called “Bengali” by their opponents in Myanmar, a term that suggests that they belong in India or Bangladesh.

Although they have been denied citizenship and are subjected to “forced labor, extortion, restriction on freedom of movement, the absence of residence rights, inequitable marriage regulations and land confiscation,” according to the United Nations, the government has allowed many of them to vote, including in the country’s first elections after military rule, in 2010.

Like the Roma of Europe, they are not wanted in either Myanmar or neighboring Bangladesh. United Nations officials in Geneva said Friday that Bangladeshi border guards were pushing back boatloads of people trying to flee. The boats, laden with women, children and others wounded in the violence, have been left drifting in the broad Naf River delta between the two countries, short of food and water, said the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees.

The provenance of the Rohingya is as difficult to trace as that of many of Myanmar’s other ethnic groups: they appear to be a mixture of Arabs, Moors, Turks, Persians, Moguls and Pathans, according to the United Nations. Myanmar’s government counts more than 130 ethnicities in the country. The Rohingya are not on that list.

Many online commentators in Myanmar have called for the expulsion of the Rohingya — or worse. When the Eleven Media Group reported Thursday that a woman’s corpse was spotted floating in a river, but did not disclose the ethnicity of the victim, one reader said he was confused. “I don’t know if I should be happy or sad,” he said, “because I don’t know what nationality she is.”

Poypiti Amatatham contributed reporting from Bangkok, and Nick Cumming-Bruce from Geneva.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/w...ohingya-muslim-group.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Western media is toeing the govt. supported figures, whereas the Rohingya refugees in Malaysia and Malaysian political leader claimed that 2000 people already died. Please see OP 1st and 3rd video and 2nd post.
 
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Can we ignore the agni 500 guy pls, he loves to make off topic comments. Its obvious he does not like Muslims, just the way lots of people on the forum hate Hindus. We must not let such people destroy other threads.

Agni500, why don't you regularly open threads like frog marriage, muslim girl beaten up in a slum, tree marriage, dog marriage, dalit boy beaten up etc except involving muslims and then take your potshots at the religion there and leave these threads. Also pls speak for yourself only and do not pretend to represent all indians as most people here do not have the required intellectual honesty to differentiate. Thanks.
 
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