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For a start compare the internal situation between Pak of 2002 and 2012.
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For a start compare the internal situation between Pak of 2002 and 2012.
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Can you enlighten us by some valuable input other than false criticism (read post #9).
So RAW was behind the Floods !!!
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espionage + sabotage > nuclear attack
Mossad, being the most feared and ruthless intelligence agency always had been a subject of attraction. Its countless covert operations including assassination of politicians, hamas and hijbullah operatives,diplomats and even scientists, have never disappointed the fanboys of this spy world. Out of its many operations, operation blood diamond is my all time best because this james bond style operation changed the fate of six days war. In 1960s, the endeavor of israelis and US to acquire the technology of Mig-21 soviet fighter saw a light of success when a christian iraqi fighter pilot Munir Redfa defected and flew this marvelous iron bird to Israel. As a result, in 1967 during thearial battle of Golan heights Israelis brought down six syrian mig 21 loosing just one Dassault mirage III.
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....and the earth quake too....
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Worst than that and the main reason of the consequences of the 1967 "6 days war" operation was the Woman Spy : read the story of "The Woman who governed Misr(Egypt)".
And by the way how can you give credit to the Mossad while recognizing yourself that it was a US and NATO operation to get some soviet technology- the same happened with the MIG-25 with another Iraqi Christian pilot(If this is why everyone is asking Muslim nations to be secularists and open to other religions, Muslims than should tighten their doors more and more) defecting with it to Japan on the account of the US, you must be somehow naive to give the credit to Israel.
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No for real I'm not........
SC, please dont put any religious colour to my last post because it was not intended to be so as neither i am anti muslim nor a pro israeli fanboy. I hope you were talking about the Victor balenko's defection to japan with his mig-25, but the difference with Munir redfa case was the merit,the flawlessness which the israelis carried out the entire operation with. It was Munir redfa who was annoyed with the discrimination by his higher officials for being a christian and mossad never missed a single chance to exploit this golden opportunity after failing two consecutive attempts. The Iraqi intel had absolute no idea about his visit to israeli airstrip where he was supposed to land, deportation of his family etc and were left completely clueless. And the most important part was the successful application of the knowledge they gathered from this op.
Finally, you did not put any personal remark about the video you posted which claims ISI to be number one intel agency leaving behind CIA,MI6 and Mossad at Number2,3 and 7 respectively just taking Afgan war as a base line. Dont you think it will be very impertinent to believe that garbage?
On topic:
Code talking was first used by the Americans during the WW I and here they used the native anerican language called Choctaw. Contribution of Choctaw code talkers is almost forgotten today but during first world war, it was their staggering effort which put the germans utterly clueless what the american military were exchanging over telegraph.
An american officer,Colonel A W Bloor from 142nd infantry, while serving in france first noticed two Choctaw indians speaking one another. He planned to use this language to use as a regular military code which his enemy could never deciphered during the war. First known recognition came to light when a newspaper from oklahoma described this untold history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_code_talkers
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You are still giving credit where it does not belong, Mossad plays as a proxy for CIA, MI6 and others and vice versa if needed.
Exploiting vulnerabilities is an important tool of the trade in Espionage world wide, be it religious to one extreme to homosexuality to the other.
I had no comments on the video, since it is an American ranking.
American spy history is very recent compared to the thousand years of using dialects rather than the classical languages to confuse the enemy.
When "Enigma" coding/decoding machine was first been used during WW2 by the Germans, it brought havoc in the allies Intelligence agencies, and by mobilizing their best mathematical minds they could barely have a glimpse on its sophistication, so they needed the machine itself which was handed to them by a Polish Agent.
"Although Enigma had some cryptographic weaknesses, in practice it was only in combination with procedural flaws, operator mistakes, captured key tables and hardware, that Allied cryptanalysts were able to be so successful."
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Enigma
Exploiting vulnerabilities is an important tool of the trade in Espionage world wide, be it religious to one extreme to homosexuality to the other.
I had no comments on the video, since it is an American ranking.
American spy history is very recent compared to the thousand years of using dialects rather than the classical languages to confuse the enemy.
When "Enigma" coding/decoding machine was first been used during WW2 by the Germans, it brought havoc in the allies Intelligence agencies, and by mobilizing their best mathematical minds they could barely have a glimpse on its sophistication, so they needed the machine itself which was handed to them by a Polish Agent.
"Although Enigma had some cryptographic weaknesses, in practice it was only in combination with procedural flaws, operator mistakes, captured key tables and hardware, that Allied cryptanalysts were able to be so successful."
Enigma machine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Enigma
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About RAW:
While laying the foundation stone of RAW, India's late Prime Minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi approvingly quoted Louis F Hallis, when she said that its objectives should be the 'Ability to get what one wants by whatever means: eloquence, reasoned arguments, bluff, tirade, threat or coercion, as well as, by arousing pity, annoying others, or making them uneasy'.
RAW is basically a Secret Service established to perform clandestine operations based on the Chanakyan principles of deceit and guile. It has successfully destabilised neighbouring countries, disintegrated independent states and backed the most notorious guerrilla organizations to achieve its ends. If it is compared to other intelligence agencies of the region, it emerges as an aggressive, cold-blooded and ruthless institution, engaged in the most macabre deeds.
The organization and structure of RAW will be discussed in the second part of this paper. But to appreciate its working we must, first examine the origin and organization of India's ancient secret agencies.
Evolution of RAW
Origins in the Directorate of Intelligence Bureau, created by the Raj in November 1920 Ñ during the Khilafat and Swaraj movements Ñ out of the old Criminal Intelligence Department (CID). In 1933, sensing the political turmoil in the world which eventually led to the Second World War, the bureau's responsibilities were increased to include the collection of intelligence along India's borders. In 1947, after Independence, Sanjeevi Pillai took over as the first Indian Director. Having been depleted of trained manpower by the exit of the British and Muslims, Pillai tried to run the bureau along MI 5 lines. Although in 1949, Pillai organized a small foreign intelligence set-up, the inefficacy of it was proved by the Indian debacle in the Indo-China War of 1962, and the cry of 'not enough intelligence available', was taken up by the Indian Chief of Army Staff, General Chaudhry, after the 1965 Indo-Pak war.
It was towards the end of 1966 and the beginning of 1967 that the concept of a separate foreign intelligence agency began to take concrete shape. In 1968, after Indira Gandhi had taken over, it was decided that a full-fledged second security service was needed. R. N. Kao, then a deputy director of IB, submitted a blueprint for the new agency. Kao was appointed as the chief of India's first foreign intelligence agency named as 'the Research and Analysis Wing' or RAW.
RAW takes shape
Having started humbly as a Wing of the main Intelligence Bureau with 250 personnel and an annual budget of Rs 2 crore (by a rough estimate), in the early seventies, its annual budget had risen to Rs 30 crores while its personnel numbered several thousand. In 1971, Kao had persuaded the government to set up the Aviation Research Centre (ARC). The ARC's job was aerial reconnaissance. It replaced the Indian Air Force's old reconnaissance aircraft and by the mid-70s, RAW, through the ARC, had high quality aerial pictures of the installations along the Chinese and Pakistani borders. By 1976, Kao had been promoted to the rank of a fullfledged Secretary responsible for Security and reporting directly to the Prime Minister. His rise had raised RAW to become India's premier intelligence agency. RAW agents operated in virtually every major embassy and high commission.
RAW's objectives
The objectives of RAW according to Asoka Raina's famous book Inside RAW (Vikas Publishing House, New Delhi, 1981) have been:-
* To monitor the political and military developments in all the adjoining countries, which have, direct bearing on India's national security and in the formulation of its foreign policy.
* Secondly, RAW watched the development of international communism and the schism between the two communist giants, the Soviet Union and The Republic of China. For as in other countries both the powers had direct access to the Communist Parties in India.
* Thirdly, the supply of military hardware to Pakistan mostly from European countries, the USA and China, was of high priority.
* And last but not the least, the presence of a large ethnic Indian population in foreign countries, provided a powerful lobby. These countries could back a favourable policy in international councils, motivated by the ethnic Indian group.
The Organization
RAW has been organized on the lines of the CIA. The following chart (source: Inside RAW by Asoka Raina) signifies the organization of RAW and is self-explanatory.
Functions of RAW
The functions of RAW vary according to the target. Some functions for obtaining strategic intelligence are outlined below:-
Collection of Information: Emphasis is laid on obtaining information essential to Indian interests. Both overt and covert means are adopted.
Collection of Information : The vast myriad of data is sifted through, classified and filed. The modern computer network in the 13-storey bombproof building situated at Lodhi Road, New Delhi, is a great help.
Aggressive Intelligence: The primary mission of RAW includes aggressive intelligence which comprise espionage, psychological warfare, subversion, sabotage, terrorism and creating dissension, insurgency and, ultimately, insurrection to destabilize the target country.
Modus Operandi
Foreign Missions: Foreign Missions provide an ideal cover and RAW centres in a target country are generally located inside the Embassy premises.
Multinationals: RAW operatives find good covers in Multinational organizations. NGOs and Cultural programmes are also popular screens to shield RAW activities.
Media: International media centres can easily absorb RAW operatives and provide freedom of movement.
Collaboration with other agencies: RAW maintains active collaboration with other secret services to meet its ends in a particular target country. Its contacts with KGB of the former Soviet Union, KHAD, the erstwhile Afghan agency, Mossad, CIA and MI6 have been well-known. A common interest being Pakistan's Nuclear Programme.
Third Country Technique: RAW has been very active in obtaining information and operating through third countries like the Middle East, Afghanistan, UK, Hong Kong, Mayanmar and Singapore.
Spotting and Recruitment: RAW operatives are on the lookout for local recruits to serve their ends. Acting on the Chanakyan principles, they tend to exploit human weaknesses for wine, women and wealth, and, at times resort to blackmail. Separatist tendencies and ethnic or sectarian sensitivities are also well-known grounds for manipulation. Armed Forces personnel remain a primary target. Those journalists, intellectuals and politicians harbouring and preaching goodwill and better Indo-Pak relations also make suitable targets for inadvertent and unconscious recruitment by RAW agents.
RAW's Primary Target: Pakistan
Pakistan remains RAW's primary concern. It runs thousands of agents and spends millions of rupees in its operations against Pakistan. It has made a three-pronged attack against Pakistan in an attempt to destabilise it:-
* Propaganda
* Espionage, and
* Subversion
RAW is totally committed on all these three fronts and is engaged in launching covert operations in consonance with India's hostile foreign policy. The Jain Commission Report, released by India in 1997, acknowledges that RAW did sponsor the terrorist activities of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eilam (LTTE) in Sri Lanka and violent intervention in Bangladesh. All aspects of Pakistani activities, economic, military, industrial and cultural receive a close scrutiny of RAW. It considers Sindh as the soft under-belly of Pakistan and has therefore made it the prime target for sabotage and subversion. Ashok A Biswas, a Delhi-based research scholar, in his recently compiled study RAW - An Unobstructive Instrument of India's Foreign Policy, (as quoted by Pakistan Observer in 'A RAW deal for South Asia, 03 May, 1998) states that 'the aim of RAW is to keep internal disturbances flaring up and the ISI preoccupied so that Pakistan can lend no worthwhile resistance to Indian designs in the region.' He concludes, 'RAW over the years has admirably fulfilled its task of destabilizing target states through unbridled export for terrorism. The 'Indian Doctrine' spelt out a difficult and onerous role of RAW. It goes to its credit that it has accomplished its assigned objectives. The Indian government spelling out the task for RAW in this regard has stated, 'Pakistan should be so destabilized internally that it could not support the 'Kashmir cause even morally, diplomatically or politically'. Keeping the size of Pakistan in view, the task seems a difficult one for RAW. But it appears, RAW has taken it as a challenge and is working assiduously and speedily to accomplish this task'.
No wonder, with the wily Chanakya as its mentor and the machinations preached in his Arthasastra as their bible, RAW is well equipped to continue waging its war of propaganda, sabotage and subversion. It is for its prime target 'Pakistan' to be wary of its macabre game plan of continuing war by 'other means' and continue exposing RAW's heinous designs against us, which are a blatant, utter and naked violation of all human values. And not the least the people and the leadership of India; for as the great poet Ghalib said:
Hue tum dost jiske,
Us ka dushman asman kiyun ho
With a friend like you,
Who needs a foe!
Raw at War-Genesis of Secret Agencies in Ancient India
While laying the foundation stone of RAW, India's late Prime Minister Mrs. Indira Gandhi approvingly quoted Louis F Hallis, when she said that its objectives should be the 'Ability to get what one wants by whatever means: eloquence, reasoned arguments, bluff, tirade, threat or coercion, as well as, by arousing pity, annoying others, or making them uneasy'.
RAW is basically a Secret Service established to perform clandestine operations based on the Chanakyan principles of deceit and guile. It has successfully destabilised neighbouring countries, disintegrated independent states and backed the most notorious guerrilla organizations to achieve its ends. If it is compared to other intelligence agencies of the region, it emerges as an aggressive, cold-blooded and ruthless institution, engaged in the most macabre deeds.
The organization and structure of RAW will be discussed in the second part of this paper. But to appreciate its working we must, first examine the origin and organization of India's ancient secret agencies.
Evolution of RAW
Origins in the Directorate of Intelligence Bureau, created by the Raj in November 1920 Ñ during the Khilafat and Swaraj movements Ñ out of the old Criminal Intelligence Department (CID). In 1933, sensing the political turmoil in the world which eventually led to the Second World War, the bureau's responsibilities were increased to include the collection of intelligence along India's borders. In 1947, after Independence, Sanjeevi Pillai took over as the first Indian Director. Having been depleted of trained manpower by the exit of the British and Muslims, Pillai tried to run the bureau along MI 5 lines. Although in 1949, Pillai organized a small foreign intelligence set-up, the inefficacy of it was proved by the Indian debacle in the Indo-China War of 1962, and the cry of 'not enough intelligence available', was taken up by the Indian Chief of Army Staff, General Chaudhry, after the 1965 Indo-Pak war.
It was towards the end of 1966 and the beginning of 1967 that the concept of a separate foreign intelligence agency began to take concrete shape. In 1968, after Indira Gandhi had taken over, it was decided that a full-fledged second security service was needed. R. N. Kao, then a deputy director of IB, submitted a blueprint for the new agency. Kao was appointed as the chief of India's first foreign intelligence agency named as 'the Research and Analysis Wing' or RAW.
RAW takes shape
Having started humbly as a Wing of the main Intelligence Bureau with 250 personnel and an annual budget of Rs 2 crore (by a rough estimate), in the early seventies, its annual budget had risen to Rs 30 crores while its personnel numbered several thousand. In 1971, Kao had persuaded the government to set up the Aviation Research Centre (ARC). The ARC's job was aerial reconnaissance. It replaced the Indian Air Force's old reconnaissance aircraft and by the mid-70s, RAW, through the ARC, had high quality aerial pictures of the installations along the Chinese and Pakistani borders. By 1976, Kao had been promoted to the rank of a fullfledged Secretary responsible for Security and reporting directly to the Prime Minister. His rise had raised RAW to become India's premier intelligence agency. RAW agents operated in virtually every major embassy and high commission.
RAW's objectives
The objectives of RAW according to Asoka Raina's famous book Inside RAW (Vikas Publishing House, New Delhi, 1981) have been:-
* To monitor the political and military developments in all the adjoining countries, which have, direct bearing on India's national security and in the formulation of its foreign policy.
* Secondly, RAW watched the development of international communism and the schism between the two communist giants, the Soviet Union and The Republic of China. For as in other countries both the powers had direct access to the Communist Parties in India.
* Thirdly, the supply of military hardware to Pakistan mostly from European countries, the USA and China, was of high priority.
* And last but not the least, the presence of a large ethnic Indian population in foreign countries, provided a powerful lobby. These countries could back a favourable policy in international councils, motivated by the ethnic Indian group.
The Organization
RAW has been organized on the lines of the CIA. The following chart (source: Inside RAW by Asoka Raina) signifies the organization of RAW and is self-explanatory.
Functions of RAW
The functions of RAW vary according to the target. Some functions for obtaining strategic intelligence are outlined below:-
Collection of Information: Emphasis is laid on obtaining information essential to Indian interests. Both overt and covert means are adopted.
Collection of Information : The vast myriad of data is sifted through, classified and filed. The modern computer network in the 13-storey bombproof building situated at Lodhi Road, New Delhi, is a great help.
Aggressive Intelligence: The primary mission of RAW includes aggressive intelligence which comprise espionage, psychological warfare, subversion, sabotage, terrorism and creating dissension, insurgency and, ultimately, insurrection to destabilize the target country.
Modus Operandi
Foreign Missions: Foreign Missions provide an ideal cover and RAW centres in a target country are generally located inside the Embassy premises.
Multinationals: RAW operatives find good covers in Multinational organizations. NGOs and Cultural programmes are also popular screens to shield RAW activities.
Media: International media centres can easily absorb RAW operatives and provide freedom of movement.
Collaboration with other agencies: RAW maintains active collaboration with other secret services to meet its ends in a particular target country. Its contacts with KGB of the former Soviet Union, KHAD, the erstwhile Afghan agency, Mossad, CIA and MI6 have been well-known. A common interest being Pakistan's Nuclear Programme.
Third Country Technique: RAW has been very active in obtaining information and operating through third countries like the Middle East, Afghanistan, UK, Hong Kong, Mayanmar and Singapore.
Spotting and Recruitment: RAW operatives are on the lookout for local recruits to serve their ends. Acting on the Chanakyan principles, they tend to exploit human weaknesses for wine, women and wealth, and, at times resort to blackmail. Separatist tendencies and ethnic or sectarian sensitivities are also well-known grounds for manipulation. Armed Forces personnel remain a primary target. Those journalists, intellectuals and politicians harbouring and preaching goodwill and better Indo-Pak relations also make suitable targets for inadvertent and unconscious recruitment by RAW agents.
RAW's Primary Target: Pakistan
Pakistan remains RAW's primary concern. It runs thousands of agents and spends millions of rupees in its operations against Pakistan. It has made a three-pronged attack against Pakistan in an attempt to destabilise it:-
* Propaganda
* Espionage, and
* Subversion
RAW is totally committed on all these three fronts and is engaged in launching covert operations in consonance with India's hostile foreign policy. The Jain Commission Report, released by India in 1997, acknowledges that RAW did sponsor the terrorist activities of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eilam (LTTE) in Sri Lanka and violent intervention in Bangladesh. All aspects of Pakistani activities, economic, military, industrial and cultural receive a close scrutiny of RAW. It considers Sindh as the soft under-belly of Pakistan and has therefore made it the prime target for sabotage and subversion. Ashok A Biswas, a Delhi-based research scholar, in his recently compiled study RAW - An Unobstructive Instrument of India's Foreign Policy, (as quoted by Pakistan Observer in 'A RAW deal for South Asia, 03 May, 1998) states that 'the aim of RAW is to keep internal disturbances flaring up and the ISI preoccupied so that Pakistan can lend no worthwhile resistance to Indian designs in the region.' He concludes, 'RAW over the years has admirably fulfilled its task of destabilizing target states through unbridled export for terrorism. The 'Indian Doctrine' spelt out a difficult and onerous role of RAW. It goes to its credit that it has accomplished its assigned objectives. The Indian government spelling out the task for RAW in this regard has stated, 'Pakistan should be so destabilized internally that it could not support the 'Kashmir cause even morally, diplomatically or politically'. Keeping the size of Pakistan in view, the task seems a difficult one for RAW. But it appears, RAW has taken it as a challenge and is working assiduously and speedily to accomplish this task'.
No wonder, with the wily Chanakya as its mentor and the machinations preached in his Arthasastra as their bible, RAW is well equipped to continue waging its war of propaganda, sabotage and subversion. It is for its prime target 'Pakistan' to be wary of its macabre game plan of continuing war by 'other means' and continue exposing RAW's heinous designs against us, which are a blatant, utter and naked violation of all human values. And not the least the people and the leadership of India; for as the great poet Ghalib said:
Hue tum dost jiske,
Us ka dushman asman kiyun ho
With a friend like you,
Who needs a foe!
Raw at War-Genesis of Secret Agencies in Ancient India
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In my humble opinion Espionage started with first humans spying on animals for food (competing with more powerful carnivore animals), when they became successful with plenty of game at their disposals, than humans started to spy on each other as competitors (survival of the fittest), and so on, getting more and more sophisticated till the first civilisations (Proof:plagued with conflicts) and up to date where no great evolution has been noticed on most Human deep nature.
So espionage has a very deep root in Humanity, and has been sophisticated to higher levels in China, Arabia, Persia and the IVC.
Today the same techniques are used on the human level, but modern time technologies made espionage a whole new field of science.
So espionage has a very deep root in Humanity, and has been sophisticated to higher levels in China, Arabia, Persia and the IVC.
Today the same techniques are used on the human level, but modern time technologies made espionage a whole new field of science.
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Ohh dear, thts nothing new!
We know all, pentagon , state secrets , banks hacked by unknown hackers & american can't do anything about it, causE most of the IPs used in this mess were of russian & chinse origion?
We kneW it, baby!
But the real thing is here!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
Try it, you know its true.
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Least discussed because the people that talk dont know and the people that know dont talk.
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