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Individual Prostitution isnt going anywhere. Every aspects of life cant be controlled by state if people's mindset dont change. I would like to see people show more obligation towards corruption, theft, murder, smuggling, blackmailing, kidnapping, rape, drugs etc which really benefits larger society. People should worry their own matters and leave other matters at the hands of state law. The moralist socialist united nations dont progress. Each backward people pull behind the whole society. Nation progress due to individual's achievement. That being said individual person should try his best to make his surrounding better. Prostitution doesnt fit better in high social standard. It just gives clue that concerned person chose this option out of desperation and no other option open to him/her. Individuals should bear the consequence that follows after those relations. I would rather encourage the govt to offer proper jobs and stipend to girls who has taken these illicit jobs in the past, so that they can come out and lead better life. But anyway some will indulge in these affairs out of desire for luxury. If they respect the law of the country none should be disturbed. And any people preaching idealist society shouldnt be taken seriously. Ideal society isnt established anywhere but in process it brings more chaos. People who indulge in less affairs in life is exposed to less faults its natural. I have seen many Mullah people indulging in illicit affairs but maintain two side of their characters same time. Besides the people who care more about afterlife shouldnt have much to say whats going with others life. I never saw Mullah idealists helping for restoration of destitute persons' welfare other than admission of a orphan to a madrassa and non stop sound pollution around the country for unnecessary resons.
 
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She can...and If I am madly in love(which is unlikely), I might do that as well
I will save that message. Don't edit that quoted part if possible .

It is the document that even you are ready to give up yourself as well as your personality!
So you are ready to become the subservient and sycophant to your wife and ready to give up your software engineer job,
Or you are just pure hypocrite??
Either one is true. What you are? a man without self respect or just hypocrite? Only you know the best .
Well but if you believe that becoming sycophant to wife and quiting a good job is relevant, then I have nothing to say.
Surely it's your choice whether you consider sycophancy as slur or glory ;)!
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Why do I have to? I'll marry the lady I like. I support legalizing prostitution doesn't mean that I visit brothels everyday. Although this would be hard for you to understand.

Like I said, this is my personal choice. Would you marry a housemaid? But there are people who might be okay marrying a housemaid or a prostitute...so perfectly fine. Check, there are a lot of p0rnstars who are married.
You are a plain a hypocrit

and people complain specially south asian countries filipino are bad lol
double standards
good to see need more escort and foreigners heheheheh

religion is dead in BD already anyones says anything are called militant or terrorist etc...
Not really.These Ashik Mahmud or mage guy don't represent Bangladesh.Only very few of them are like bill cosby or harvey weinstein rest of all us are still believe in sunnah.
 
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@Desert Fox @Psychic @Skies @Centaur @Nefer @vostok have a good read when you have some time if you want, i highlighted a few pertinent parts:

If I want to whore myself out and make money that way, why should I bother about public opinion?

You ought to bother to think about the long term effect on your character/mental state as a person (again a solid reading on the subject material from psychologists on the subject ought to be mandatory before you go jump into the ocean with little thought)....past the whole risk of venereal diseases, exposure to more rapists/stalkers/creeps, risk of unwanted pregnancy (and proclivity to then kill the baby in the womb for personal convenience) and a bunch of other abhorrent things.

Very few women, esp in developing world go into sex trade with requisite knowledge (and thus responsibility) in these subjects. The defacto coercion question thus arises big time. Very few people are essentially adequately informed and versed in the subject before they make life-altering decisions on it. The dams and fences that exist in culture/society (things like family, religion, morality, virtue....over the natural state of human sin/degradation/entropy) did not come out of thin air for a reason.

Homosexuality is gradually being accepted by people....Or do you want death penalty for those who indulge in homosexual activities? Because homosexuality somehow harms the society?

Slavery was gradually accepted by people (with little to no previous exposure to such before in innumerable instances) over the currents of history too in all manner of timeframes. Just one example. What is being "accepted" and "rejected" by "more and more" people (esp those that are not particularly conversant in moral, virtue and logic) in some chosen period of time is not an argument. It is much more useful to talk about what is fundamentally good and useful for society and what isn't....not the society's current manifestation of emotional-populism trends (in whatever time frame be it a few years, decades, generation etc)....because that is a particularly terrible slippery slope if you read even one iota of history.

As far as the "penalties" go, they should be commensurate to the level of negative externality...enforcement should also scaled for this. I.e I do not propose the same punishment/enforcement for murder (direct imposing evil on others) like I do for prostitution, homosexuality (much larger buffer for personal free will acting) etc. Society ought to debate all of that proportionality further as it sees fit, but it is morally wrong to convert clear evil-doing as "grey" or even "good" legislatively....as has been done with say baby-killing in the womb.

You either get that...or you don't....esp when you reach adulthood and the mind has been crystallized on the way of thinking about this. I am just explaining my position on this to you, I don't seek or even hope to get you aligned on this subject matter tbh.....seeing the later points you talking with @Centaur about.

I don't have to understand public sentiment when I am making a personal choice. And prostitution has been there no matter who were in power throughout the history.

That's a terrible argument. Vice/sin/evil has always been there in the human psyche....and thus we should allow it to expand unfettered based on complete extreme individualism + short term satisfaction that takes both wisdom and reason prisoner - and try to pose it as "natural" and "good"?

Ban p0rn sites? C'mon who hasn't watch some p0rno in his life? Perverted? Maybe..but to a point everyone is perverted. These things are there and you can pass a law banning them, but you won't be able to effectively ban these. Thus don't even try....you will spend you money, resources and efforts and will barely accomplish anything.

Again terrible argument. By same logic you can say....why ban murder? It happens at a certain rate in society anyway (even when you have it banned), just legalise it. Or if you want to extend to "personal - voluntary" consumption only, are you in favour of legalising the hardest drugs out there (cocaine, heroin etc) and let society make its "free guided/free market" choice on that too?

We can continue this argument in all manners and finally you will not like the reflection in the mirror shown at some point (unless you are a true to the complete bone anarchist) and you will say....yes society must "step in" to stop it.

Tell me if someone wants to live a life completely naked in public (his/her free choice after all right?)...what right does the public have to enforce the norms of clothing back on that person? So he/she should just be allowed to streak everywhere, displaying everything openly to everyone (who really should just look away if they don't like it given its their free choice to look right?)....and if there are children around....too bad!....just close their eyes if you dont like it.

Then the next step will be to allow not just nudity but public masturbation will be fine too. I mean why not, its again free individual choice and society has no right to impose back on the individual right...when society should just mind its own business, since they are just all individuals too....preferably indoctrinated into materialism, anarchy and short term self-indulgence to the maximum extent possible and then some (because heck you shouldn't really stop anywhere, just keep going, its all about continuing the speed...just look at the "feminist" and "civil rights" movements now).

I know how lefties play this game, you willing to concede an inch, they will ask a country mile next....and say you conceded an inch, whats the problem....just a matter of distance and distance is just perspective right?

Sorry but no thanks....we are holding onto the remaining forts now and not giving them up....we have faith in having the last laugh you see....because we believe in eternal life (only natural given life is all we have experienced ourselves)....not a concept of assuming death is the finality and thus materialism and indulgence is the only purpose of living....if those can even be called that. You all can have a hindsight look at it all in your latter part of life (if you even get there) and realise what we are on about it then (or don't its fine too...delusion is powerful indeed)....the psychological study of atheists and anarchists in their later lives is quite intriguing and says a lot....they largely die miserable past the conscious delusion they may still cling on to.

So, it's alright to force you child to study medicine when he/she has more interest in studying anthropology?

Which children study medicine and anthropology? Those are things of study for early to mid adulthood.

But as children, yes parents should have dominion over their studies largely and generally (and that system improved upon by society by producing better role model parenthood)....any other argument (children know better, big govt knows better) is slippery slope for deferred responsibilities....given children are not mature minds....humans generally are not till they reach early to mid 20s.

I see people as individuals and you see people as part of the society.

There is some balance to be had...shift towards one of the extremes must be discussed and analysed rather than just declared null and void as a topic by lefties....who thrive in an environment of cultural ignorance and dissonance.

Absolute equality can only be accomplished by massive amounts of (ultimately unsustainable) force, it would have taken more energy than this universe possesses to stop star formation (merit driven society) and keep matter ionized proton soup (complete individual). Like the gravity that exists in this universe, so does the desire to coalesce to form a grander purpose in life among the individual souls. Lefties (in the current parlance, they have existed since dawn of humanity) would do well to remember that....because they certainly need this lesson taught the hard way again and again to their own detriment (but I guess they don't really care, its all just A to B and nothing before A or after B to them).....they seem to represent the worst of what humanity is always....because at their very core is a seed of complete dissonance to the very way the universe has expressed itself. But what would existence be without this I suppose...the only thing I welcome about evil is that without it there is no good.

When Ram Mohon Roy wanted to abolish practices such as 'sati' general public said it would harm 'hindu religioin'....people opposed when Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar wanted to legalize widow marriage people said it would destroy hindu religioin

Wrong. The entropy perversions and reforms (be they defacto or dejure) within Hinduism in the Kaliyug predate all the british raj impostors. You know zilch on the subject I am afraid. Hinduism had a head start on its "organised religion" phase over most if not all others....it is only natural more entropy and largely feelz based counter-entropy has seeped in. The vast body of even the so called elite/priests in Hinduism even a millenia ago (forget about now) have not read much of the Upanishads...and when they have for optics, they do not understand.

Hey I would love to compare to say Zoroastrianism or Greek/Roman paganism today if they survived as mass population societies....but they don't...it is what it is.

Homosexuality was frowned upon decades ago and now it is slowly getting accepted.
Being an unmarried parent was a shameful thing in the US 50 years back.....and now it is a very common thing.

Both but especially the latter being hugely injurious to society. Single parenthood in the black community is the largest reason for their socio-economic stasis....they were going places up to the time of MLK and MX, back when their families were stoic and strong...but as soon as the new plantation of big govt (ironically offered/imposed to them by the Klansman party) came which needed a reset of new gods, new cultural norms but above all victimhood complex - big govt collaboration.....the result on the ground has been devastating.

Other groups in US are reflections of this phenomenon, just differing levels of internal resistance trend to it, largely from 5HT and inherited IQ etc.

This is how society change. Society is there to make peoples life easier.

Thanks for summarizing the leftie take on it. Again we are as separate as can be on this, like fire and water.

Yeah...you whore yourself out....You are either harming yourself or your customer.

Nope you harm far more than that. Depends on the circumstance (since you are talking in some absolute here). I dont think the children of the whores running around in brothels are learning great life lessons and are going to become upstanding moral citizens, non-dependent on further whoring and other vice themselves and/or big govt.

Nor is the patron damage limited to the there and now either...when simple money/abundant access can transact a need for short indulgence of a vice.

Again the focus should be to better inform people, have the preventive legislation + scaled enforcement/penalty as society sees fit....and let the free market of vice exist on the periphery at that equilibrium...cocooned and sheltered away from the grander broader civilisation....but now we want to ignore how its been and why its been...for all the reasons you illustrate and I completely disagree with....simply to create some new equilibrium on absolute individualism....again which has never sustained itself well in human history.

You take drugs...only one you are harming is yourself.

Again, please tell that to all the innocent people that were murdered by druggies and junkies while on them...and all those operating and profiting in the vice trade. Oh wait you cant....life ends and thats it....gee that sucks.

While if you murder you are harming someone else who is not okay with it. If you rape you are harming someone who is not okay with it. Is that so hard to understand?

Your argument was there should be complete freedom for each individual (i.e society has no role)....so why add a cutoff when it comes to physical direct harm etc? Where did that notion come from? You didn't get it from society after all right? Definitely not some intuition you have within you correct? Fundamentally who are you to impose/judge on a murderer's right to kill...or the victim's right to life?

Like I said this is all stuff you should figure out in an anarchy when you go ahead and create one somewhere.....the whole concept of society/intuition imposing whats good and evil (when it comes to something as basic as life and death itself by even external imposed force)...should have an absolute consistent position from you right? When you draw a line somewhere and say "nope thats too far"....you have drawn a line period....your argument then sinks for saying a line at any other spot is inherently wrong.

Refer again to your own quote that sparked reply from me in first place:

Don't force your moral/values/beliefs on others. Let others have their own values.

Not to mention saying "Don't" is very much in the tone of the "evil patriarchal" 10 commandments too...i.e who are you to say do or don't to another? Just let existence exist and do its thing independent of you.... if you want to be truly consistent to zero-force + full individualism + full self guided morals only (Pure Anarchy)....right? Why are you indulging in what those that are control freaks etc are doing....yourself?


Thus, I said, Prostitution has to be regulated properly and taxed as well. Laws should be there to prevent forced prostitution and child prostitution and you have to create such an environment where hookers can come out and speak about their difficulties without feeling any shame. Laws should be there to ensure hookers get medical checkups every no and then. Banning prostitution doen't make it go away. You need to understand this. Why not make it legal and regulate it better?

Already answered somewhere in this long *** reply I hope....along with the following para's you pose (incl sex outside marriage punishment/enforcement should be scaled to the level of the negative externality discussed/debated by the morally proven people in a society). Again this is probably my last reply on this topic.
 
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Girls are doing escort business in South Asia out of poverty not because they love it. South Asia is far from gender equality. By this rate we'll see rise of radical feminism.

We have to solve the problem not encourage it.

@Nilgiri i know you guys literally created this country because you wanted to break Pakistan. But was it worth it ? Personally i feel we should've joined India in 71.
 
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@Nilgiri i know you guys literally created this coutry because you wanted to break Pakistan. But was it worth it ? Personally i feel we should've joined India in 71.

I think it was worth it in the end sure. Pakistan was better off, Bangladesh was better off, India was better off etc. Everyone (in political/national sense) kinda won from the result long term. It is not good to keep people forcibly in a political union they clearly and openly express they do not want to be in for whatever reason (and all sides have differing take on this, as they myriad number of threads go into about)....esp when you are separated by far more (past the logistics + distance +large enemy in between etc) than supposedly connects you (i.e this is why US civil war as example was lot more "successful" in the end-result for the Union side in comparison). Doing so just costs more blood and treasure and makes your own core identity frayed and eroded over time too and the inevitable is merely delayed anyway (and makes the whole endeavour all the more painful).... @django and I have chatted about this before I believe.

I do not believe BD or India would have benefited from a union themselves in 1971 however...political partition on religion was a done result....there would have to be many intermediary steps first (like mutual defense agreement, some concept of customs union, political stewardship internally for BD etc in some sequence) before proving a viable political union (India still has lingering troubles with its own muslim population it really needs to sort out sustainably first etc)....and none really have happened yet even at this point past the broader economic, cultural network etc. So from this hindsight, I think it would been rushed and unwise to do it in 1971...and probably more negative results/unnecessary accusations etc... long term. If the 3 countries over time can become more confident, secure and pragmatic regarding their identities and psyches...to then develop this entire region to the economic heights it once had w.r.t the world...that is good enough for me in my lifetime...and hopefully things improve there on out.

@Desert Fox @Zibago @Hell hound @Joe Shearer @The Eagle @waz @DESERT FIGHTER @Areesh @Kaptaan
 
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so:
you want a easy life without out restrain and obligation,
you want to exercise your rights without any restrain and obligation,
You want to make logic all day, without any restrain and obligation,

Welcome to the Journey of "Joy Bangla to Gay Bangla
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2008 to 2018.
How old are you?
I'm don't know how it is in Malaysia or Sweden but here in the US, marriage gives you insurance benefits and tax breaks. Not a romantic reason but it is a reason.

Outside of that, I'd say the rest of it is about cultural and social values. Nothing practical but this leads to pressure to marry. If you marry you can avoid the stress of it.
Government having preferential treatment for married couple is a real scummy way to get people to marry who otherwise have no interest in it.
You are a plain a hypocrit


Not really.These Ashik Mahmud or mage guy don't represent Bangladesh.Only very few of them are like bill cosby or harvey weinstein rest of all us are still believe in sunnah.
How is he a hypocrite? Do you not know the difference between personal preference in his own life and laws?

Also you represent BD? Is that why prostitution, brothel and even pimping (which even I agree should be illegal) is legal?
and people complain specially south asian countries filipino are bad lol
double standards
good to see need more escort and foreigners heheheheh

religion is dead in BD already anyones says anything are called militant or terrorist etc...
Have never heard of anyone complaining about Philippine. I don't think most people in BD even know it's a South East Asian country let alone them having prostitutes.
Girls are doing escort business in South Asia out of poverty not because they love it. South Asia is far from gender equality. By this rate we'll see rise of radical feminism.

We have to solve the problem not encourage it.

@Nilgiri i know you guys literally created this country because you wanted to break Pakistan. But was it worth it ? Personally i feel we should've joined India in 71.
Guys are doing slave labor in KSA far from home, out of poverty not because they love it. Yet government keeps encouraging it. Let's ban that since you have to love the work to have it legalised. And then you go on about gender equality after being against prostitution that gives women rights they should have.

Also, BD with India? I don't get this pack mentality of some of you people. No individualism. Just be with a bigger pack. Do you pee your bed in sleep if your parents are not with you? We already have a country with 8th most population. If anything we should federalise it so that parts of our country's people can make their own decision on where they want to go or have them self-govern and have more autonomy. Although, I want to keep unitary system until BD becomes a developed country but the idea isn't to make the pack bigger but to go for more individualist society.
 
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Government having preferential treatment for married couple is a real scummy way to get people to marry who otherwise have no interest in it.
This has been instated for awhile. Marriage is a pretty old custom so of course benefits apply. If you and your lover don't want to get married, that's fine.
 
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@Desert Fox @Psychic @Skies @Centaur @Nefer @vostok have a good read when you have some time if you want, i highlighted a few pertinent parts:



You ought to bother to think about the long term effect on your character/mental state as a person (again a solid reading on the subject material from psychologists on the subject ought to be mandatory before you go jump into the ocean with little thought)....past the whole risk of venereal diseases, exposure to more rapists/stalkers/creeps, risk of unwanted pregnancy (and proclivity to then kill the baby in the womb for personal convenience) and a bunch of other abhorrent things.

Very few women, esp in developing world go into sex trade with requisite knowledge (and thus responsibility) in these subjects. The defacto coercion question thus arises big time. Very few people are essentially adequately informed and versed in the subject before they make life-altering decisions on it. The dams and fences that exist in culture/society (things like family, religion, morality, virtue....over the natural state of human sin/degradation/entropy) did not come out of thin air for a reason.



Slavery was gradually accepted by people (with little to no previous exposure to such before in innumerable instances) over the currents of history too in all manner of timeframes. Just one example. What is being "accepted" and "rejected" by "more and more" people (esp those that are not particularly conversant in moral, virtue and logic) in some chosen period of time is not an argument. It is much more useful to talk about what is fundamentally good and useful for society and what isn't....not the society's current manifestation of emotional-populism trends (in whatever time frame be it a few years, decades, generation etc)....because that is a particularly terrible slippery slope if you read even one iota of history.

As far as the "penalties" go, they should be commensurate to the level of negative externality...enforcement should also scaled for this. I.e I do not propose the same punishment/enforcement for murder (direct imposing evil on others) like I do for prostitution, homosexuality (much larger buffer for personal free will acting) etc. Society ought to debate all of that proportionality further as it sees fit, but it is morally wrong to convert clear evil-doing as "grey" or even "good" legislatively....as has been done with say baby-killing in the womb.

You either get that...or you don't....esp when you reach adulthood and the mind has been crystallized on the way of thinking about this. I am just explaining my position on this to you, I don't seek or even hope to get you aligned on this subject matter tbh.....seeing the later points you talking with @Centaur about.



That's a terrible argument. Vice/sin/evil has always been there in the human psyche....and thus we should allow it to expand unfettered based on complete extreme individualism + short term satisfaction that takes both wisdom and reason prisoner - and try to pose it as "natural" and "good"?



Again terrible argument. By same logic you can say....why ban murder? It happens at a certain rate in society anyway (even when you have it banned), just legalise it. Or if you want to extend to "personal - voluntary" consumption only, are you in favour of legalising the hardest drugs out there (cocaine, heroin etc) and let society make its "free guided/free market" choice on that too?

We can continue this argument in all manners and finally you will not like the reflection in the mirror shown at some point (unless you are a true to the complete bone anarchist) and you will say....yes society must "step in" to stop it.

Tell me if someone wants to live a life completely naked in public (his/her free choice after all right?)...what right does the public have to enforce the norms of clothing back on that person? So he/she should just be allowed to streak everywhere, displaying everything openly to everyone (who really should just look away if they don't like it given its their free choice to look right?)....and if there are children around....too bad!....just close their eyes if you dont like it.

Then the next step will be to allow not just nudity but public masturbation will be fine too. I mean why not, its again free individual choice and society has no right to impose back on the individual right...when society should just mind its own business, since they are just all individuals too....preferably indoctrinated into materialism, anarchy and short term self-indulgence to the maximum extent possible and then some (because heck you shouldn't really stop anywhere, just keep going, its all about continuing the speed...just look at the "feminist" and "civil rights" movements now).

I know how lefties play this game, you willing to concede an inch, they will ask a country mile next....and say you conceded an inch, whats the problem....just a matter of distance and distance is just perspective right?

Sorry but no thanks....we are holding onto the remaining forts now and not giving them up....we have faith in having the last laugh you see....because we believe in eternal life (only natural given life is all we have experienced ourselves)....not a concept of assuming death is the finality and thus materialism and indulgence is the only purpose of living....if those can even be called that. You all can have a hindsight look at it all in your latter part of life (if you even get there) and realise what we are on about it then (or don't its fine too...delusion is powerful indeed)....the psychological study of atheists and anarchists in their later lives is quite intriguing and says a lot....they largely die miserable past the conscious delusion they may still cling on to.



Which children study medicine and anthropology? Those are things of study for early to mid adulthood.

But as children, yes parents should have dominion over their studies largely and generally (and that system improved upon by society by producing better role model parenthood)....any other argument (children know better, big govt knows better) is slippery slope for deferred responsibilities....given children are not mature minds....humans generally are not till they reach early to mid 20s.



There is some balance to be had...shift towards one of the extremes must be discussed and analysed rather than just declared null and void as a topic by lefties....who thrive in an environment of cultural ignorance and dissonance.

Absolute equality can only be accomplished by massive amounts of (ultimately unsustainable) force, it would have taken more energy than this universe possesses to stop star formation (merit driven society) and keep matter ionized proton soup (complete individual). Like the gravity that exists in this universe, so does the desire to coalesce to form a grander purpose in life among the individual souls. Lefties (in the current parlance, they have existed since dawn of humanity) would do well to remember that....because they certainly need this lesson taught the hard way again and again to their own detriment (but I guess they don't really care, its all just A to B and nothing before A or after B to them).....they seem to represent the worst of what humanity is always....because at their very core is a seed of complete dissonance to the very way the universe has expressed itself. But what would existence be without this I suppose...the only thing I welcome about evil is that without it there is no good.



Wrong. The entropy perversions and reforms (be they defacto or dejure) within Hinduism in the Kaliyug predate all the british raj impostors. You know zilch on the subject I am afraid. Hinduism had a head start on its "organised religion" phase over most if not all others....it is only natural more entropy and largely feelz based counter-entropy has seeped in. The vast body of even the so called elite/priests in Hinduism even a millenia ago (forget about now) have not read much of the Upanishads...and when they have for optics, they do not understand.

Hey I would love to compare to say Zoroastrianism or Greek/Roman paganism today if they survived as mass population societies....but they don't...it is what it is.



Both but especially the latter being hugely injurious to society. Single parenthood in the black community is the largest reason for their socio-economic stasis....they were going places up to the time of MLK and MX, back when their families were stoic and strong...but as soon as the new plantation of big govt (ironically offered/imposed to them by the Klansman party) came which needed a reset of new gods, new cultural norms but above all victimhood complex - big govt collaboration.....the result on the ground has been devastating.

Other groups in US are reflections of this phenomenon, just differing levels of internal resistance trend to it, largely from 5HT and inherited IQ etc.



Thanks for summarizing the leftie take on it. Again we are as separate as can be on this, like fire and water.



Nope you harm far more than that. Depends on the circumstance (since you are talking in some absolute here). I dont think the children of the whores running around in brothels are learning great life lessons and are going to become upstanding moral citizens, non-dependent on further whoring and other vice themselves and/or big govt.

Nor is the patron damage limited to the there and now either...when simple money/abundant access can transact a need for short indulgence of a vice.

Again the focus should be to better inform people, have the preventive legislation + scaled enforcement/penalty as society sees fit....and let the free market of vice exist on the periphery at that equilibrium...cocooned and sheltered away from the grander broader civilisation....but now we want to ignore how its been and why its been...for all the reasons you illustrate and I completely disagree with....simply to create some new equilibrium on absolute individualism....again which has never sustained itself well in human history.



Again, please tell that to all the innocent people that were murdered by druggies and junkies while on them...and all those operating and profiting in the vice trade. Oh wait you cant....life ends and thats it....gee that sucks.



Your argument was there should be complete freedom for each individual (i.e society has no role)....so why add a cutoff when it comes to physical direct harm etc? Where did that notion come from? You didn't get it from society after all right? Definitely not some intuition you have within you correct? Fundamentally who are you to impose/judge on a murderer's right to kill...or the victim's right to life?

Like I said this is all stuff you should figure out in an anarchy when you go ahead and create one somewhere.....the whole concept of society/intuition imposing whats good and evil (when it comes to something as basic as life and death itself by even external imposed force)...should have an absolute consistent position from you right? When you draw a line somewhere and say "nope thats too far"....you have drawn a line period....your argument then sinks for saying a line at any other spot is inherently wrong.

Refer again to your own quote that sparked reply from me in first place:



Not to mention saying "Don't" is very much in the tone of the "evil patriarchal" 10 commandments too...i.e who are you to say do or don't to another? Just let existence exist and do its thing independent of you.... if you want to be truly consistent to zero-force + full individualism + full self guided morals only (Pure Anarchy)....right? Why are you indulging in what those that are control freaks etc are doing....yourself?




Already answered somewhere in this long *** reply I hope....along with the following para's you pose (incl sex outside marriage punishment/enforcement should be scaled to the level of the negative externality discussed/debated by the morally proven people in a society). Again this is probably my last reply on this topic.
Prostitution in the developing world is completely different from developed world here 90% of women arr those who were either tricked or forced into this industry. If you doubt me watch all the documentries on prostitution in the sub-continent they were lured in as teenagers now they are stuck because their families abandoned them
There is no glamor in prostitution in 90% of the cases here most are seeking pleasure off other people,s misery
 
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What do u think about those people who make their living by using their muscles? R u OK with it? What about those ppl who r using their brains or those who r displaying their cute faces on TV screen to earn their livelihood?

If u don't have any problems with people using their muscles, brains and faces to make their living, then u certainly shouldn't have any problem with ppl who use their sexual organs to make their living.

Ideally a person should be allowed to do whatever he wants to do as long as it is considerate to those who r affected by his action.
 
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Prostitution in the developing world is completely different from developed world here 90% of women arr those who were either tricked or forced into this industry. If you doubt me watch all the documentries on prostitution in the sub-continent they were lured in as teenagers now they are stuck because their families abandoned them
There is no glamor in prostitution in 90% of the cases here most are seeking pleasure off other people,s misery

Well said
 
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Would you marry a maid? And if you, let's say, happen to like her so much that you do, would you tell her to quit even if she doesn't want to?
I already answered the question's first part to @Mage .
What you guys are doing its not just absurd but also hillarious !
Did you even bother to read my reply ? Why shouldn't she quit housemaid job? She took it because she had no.other way left .
When her husband was giving her a better life why she will not quite the job indeed she will quite the job.
And was it me who was speaking for freedom?
However , no one do odd jobs willingly.
But Mage believe that prostitutes do their work because of freedom not because they have no other way to left!
Do you read his fallacious logic?
Here we ( non secular mullahs) are trying to say that if someone is prostitute then a reasonable person will help her to improve her life.
So surely if someone is housemaid and I fall in love without knowing that, I will ask her quite her job and she will quite.l because necessarily she took the odd job because she has no other way.
Did I say that she took the job because of her freedom? I didn't. So your argument never work on me.
On the other hand Mage believe that peoples may choose prostitution willingly. Fine ask her marry such woman and also his wife must have to continue the job as he ( Mage) doesn't consider that job as odd job.
People like you seem to have a hard time differentiating between what is personal value and what should be a law
The point of the argument isn't so simple. But @Nilgiri already explained it( post #125) you can read that post, I don't think I need to ad more on it.

@Ashik Mahmud
 
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Guys are doing slave labor in KSA far from home, out of poverty not because they love it. Yet government keeps encouraging it. Let's ban that since you have to love the work to have it legalised. And then you go on about gender equality after being against prostitution that gives women rights they should have.

Also, BD with India? I don't get this pack mentality of some of you people. No individualism. Just be with a bigger pack. Do you pee your bed in sleep if your parents are not with you? We already have a country with 8th most population. If anything we should federalise it so that parts of our country's people can make their own decision on where they want to go or have them self-govern and have more autonomy. Although, I want to keep unitary system until BD becomes a developed country but the idea isn't to make the pack bigger but to go for more individualist society.

By your logic if Saudis are haramis so we should become haramis as well.

As far India is concern we Bangladeshis ARE Indians. Our culture language everything is Indian. There is no such thing as Bangladeshi culture. Pakistan was created for Muslims of India. We Bangladshis are East Indian Muslims.
 
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Thanks @Nilgiri for this long post to @Mage.
This make lot senses. But I am doubtful if he is trying to learn or just pushing words for the sake of argument.

Tell me if someone wants to live a life completely naked in public (his/her free choice after all right?)...what right does the public have to enforce the norms of clothing back on that person? So he/she should just be allowed to streak everywhere, displaying everything openly to everyone (who really should just look away if they don't like it given its their free choice to look right?)....and if there are children around....too bad!....just close their eyes if you dont like it.

Why do you think that he does have problem with such lifestyle, atleast in theory? He even doesn't have a problem if peoples start doing orgy sex in streets, that even dogs don't do.
I didn't save his post, but he said he has no problem when I was arguing with him about selling wine in streets of BD in another thread. So such type morality has no effect on such folks.
Or if you want to extend to "personal - voluntary" consumption only, are you in favour of legalising the hardest drugs out there (cocaine, heroin etc) and let society make its "free guided/free market" choice on that too?
You have hitted the bull's eye. Exactly anyone can use hardest drug for them. but the result will be extremely bad on society as others will try to test sooner or later, then the world will be screwed up. I believe this is such a point when he ( @Mage) is unable to push further .

Finally I read your whole post thoroughly , it was nice post.
But I am doubtful that it will create any effect on such guys who are just arguing for the sake of argument.

And for the rest of your post where you discussed about moral values are just casting pearls before swines, because such type of guys only know one thing and that is hedonism.
Even charvak was much better person than them who ( charvak) proposed to eat ghee with debt money; atleast charvak didn't want to spread holiest prostitution in order to spread std, and destroy the morality of society completely. ( correct me if I am wrong).
This type of hedonistic ideology is cancer for society.
@Nilgiri

Eid er porei andolon koren
If only Khaleda zia and her son Tareq chora wouldn't cross every limit, bloody bastard BAL would never come to power.
But why you are over confident? If Bengali can elect BAL after BAKSHAL then in future they also can elect BNP again.

After all BAKSHAL was much worse than previous BNP regime .In BAKSHAL era peoples died starving without food in streets like dogs, and Mujib Bahini prevented them from begging in airport from foreigners, because the bastards wanted to show the world that they ( BAKSHAL whores) aren't looting reliefs that were sent to feed the victims of famine.
Awami League is doing well right now , but their past is darker than the civilized world can ever imagine.

So don't ignore the , "Eid er por Andolon ". who knows after one of those Eids, bastard BAL will be wiped out from Bangladesh. I hope hasina knows that so she is not following some retarded pseudo seculars .

Believe me, here public opinion works very well, that you seem to ignore.
And few days ago the public have shaken govt with quota movement .
 
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