Era of ignoring Saudi terror sponsorship over: Germany

[Hasbara Buster]

Era of ignoring Saudi terror sponsorship over: Germany

German Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel (Photo by AFP)

Germany says it will no more ‘look the other way’ as Saudi Arabia continues to nurture terrorism throughout the world.

“We must make it clear to the Saudis that the time of looking the other way is over,” German Vice Chancellor and Minister for Economic Affairs Sigmar Gabriel said on Sunday, referring to the Western policy of turning a blind eye on Saudi ties to extremist groups worldwide.

“From Saudi Arabia, Wahhabi mosques are financed throughout the world,” he said, adding that in Germany, many people “considered dangerous persons emerge from these communities.”

Thomas Oppermann, the chairman of Germany’s Social Democratic Party, which is headed by Gabriel, also said, “We will prevent Saudi help in the building or financing of mosques in Germany, where Wahhabi ideas are to be disseminated.”

He asserted that Wahhabism provided the “complete ideology” of the Takfiri Daesh terrorist group – which is causing death and destruction mainly in Iraq and Syria.

Takfirism, or the practice of accusing others of being "infidels," is a characteristic of Wahhabism, the radical ideology dominating Saudi Arabia and freely preached by clerics in the Arab country.

Members of the Takfiri Daesh terrorist group (file photo)

Saudi Arabia also provides widely-reported support for Daesh, even as a recent opinion survey showed that an overwhelming majority of the country’s people oppose the terrorist group. The study, which was conducted by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy in September, showed that 92 percent of Saudi people hated and rejected the group, and that it has “the worst reputation among the Saudi general public.”

The remarks by German officials come less than a week after the country’s BND foreign intelligence agency warned about a shift by Saudi Arabia to the “impulsive policy of intervention” in other countries, saying that Riyadh was ready to take military, political, and financial risks to ensure its influence in the region.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government has, however, rejected the agency’s stance and called Riyadh "a key partner in regional conflict resolution."

PressTV-Berlin fed up with Saudi terror support?

 

[Sipahi]

That's good oil drinkers

But the action is 30 years late

 

[Hasbara Buster]

That's good oil drinkers

But the action is 30 years late

The problem is, as long as traditional Islam is being taught at schools and madrassas, you will have the likes of ISIS. The Muslim world has to question the 1400 years of Islamic culture sincerely. Not for the West, but for itself.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Can anyone Else Find the Connection ?

Iraq War + US Shale + ISIS + Iran Nuclear Pact = Saudi Downfall ?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Can anyone Else Find the Connection ?

Iraq War + US Shale + ISIS + Iran Nuclear Pact = Saudi Downfall ?

Saudis (Sunnai) are backing (Sunnai) ISIS in a proxy war agasint (Shia) Iran who is now coming out "from the cold" and being embraced by the West (somewhat) so there is the possibility of the West and Iran joining hands agaisnt a common enemy (ISIS).

That said it won't happen- the Americans will never take any definitive action against the Saudis whilst they are still sat on their oceans of Oil and will continue to turn a blind eye as they had done after 9/11 (I think 19/20 hijackers were Saudi?) and as they have done with Pakistan (for other strategic imperitives) for the past decade.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

The German government has already strongly criticized the report of the Federal Intelligence Service. It would not represent the official opinion of the government.

 

[nForce]

The day Saudis stop selling oil to US or run out of it, is the day they are getting bombed, not before that.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Saudis (Sunnai) are backing (Sunnai) ISIS in a proxy war agasint (Shia) Iran who is now coming out "from the cold" and being embraced by the West (somewhat) so there is the possibility of the West and Iran joining hands agaisnt a common enemy (ISIS).

That said it won't happen- the Americans will never take any definitive action against the Saudis whilst they are still sat on their oceans of Oil and will continue to turn a blind eye as they had done after 9/11 (I think 19/20 hijackers were Saudi?) and as they have done with Pakistan (for other strategic imperitives) for the past decade.

I would argue that the West/US does not want to see anarchy in Saudi Arabia along the lines of Libya, and that is the main reason for a lack of direct action.

The best approach is for the West to work with the Saudi Royals to limit financing and export for extremist ideology over the long term. The Mullah's in Saudi Arabia have been given free reign and enormous ideological control over the populace over decades. If the Royal Family falls, the most likely successor will be a Mullah led regime, which will be much worse outcome than the status-quo.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I would argue that the West/US does not want to see anarchy in Saudi Arabia along the lines of Libya, and that is the main reason for a lack of direct action.

The best approach is for the West to work with the Saudi Royals to limit financing and export for extremist ideology over the long term. The Mullah's in Saudi Arabia have been given free reign and enormous ideological control over the populace over decades. If the Royal Family falls, the most likely successor will be a Mullah led regime, which will be much worse outcome than the status-quo.

The Saudis have been playing this game for decades, this is where Wahhabism spread its ugly tenticles from- everyone in the West knew it but looked the other way because their monarchy played ball with the US, Sadam sat on a his own vast oceans of oil, refused to play ball and look at the corner they pushed him into. The moment Sadam looked like he was moving to invade Saudi Arabia the US intervened- Operation Desert Shield- and what were they sheilding? Saudi Arabia's oil fields in the North of the country.

The West would, perhaps, now be less inclined to launch an Operation Iraqi Freedom style invasion of Saudi Arabia after the debacle that was but the main detterent is that the Saudis are still effectively "on side" where it matters to the US- Oil. All sides know where the red lines are and as long as the oil keeps flowing the West/US will continue to remain selectively mute.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The Saudis have been playing this game for decades, this is where Wahhabism spread its ugly tenticles from- everyone in the West knew it but looked the other way because they monarchy played ball with the US. Sadam, sat on a his own vast oceans of oil, refused to play ball and look at the corner they pushed him into. The moment Sadam looked like he was moving to invade Saudi Arabia the US intervened- Operation Desert Shield- and what were they sheilding? Saudi Arabia's oil fields in the North of the country.

The West would, perhaps, now be less inclined to launch an Operation Iraqi Freedom style invasion of Saudi Arabia after the debacle that was but the main detterent is that the Saudis are still effectively "on side" where it matters to the US- Oil. All sides know where the red lines are and as long as the oil keeps flowing the West/US will continue to remain selectively mute.

The Saudis have been playing this game for decades because there were clear Iranian/Assad/Hezbollah alignments against perceived American+Israeli interests. Those alignments are now shifting. With the Saudi involvement in Syria and Iraq (essentially against Iran) and the Iranian and Assad links with Russia, the West/US has enormous leverage over the Saudis that can be exercised to limit their funding and export of extremist ideology.

Who are the Saudis going to turn to in the face of US/Western pressure to show tangible changes in policy?

 

[Abingdonboy]

The Saudis have been playing this game for decades because there were clear Iranian/Assad/Hezbollah alignments against perceived American+Israeli interests. Those alignments are now shifting. With the Saudi involvement in Syria and Iraq (essentially against Iran) and the Iranian and Assad links with Russia, the West/US has enormous leverage over the Saudis that can be exercised to limit their funding and export of extremist ideology.

Who are the Saudis going to turn to in the face of US/Western pressure to show tangible changes in policy?

I don't know, it seems the current status quo works just fine for the West, they may overtly condemn all forms of terrorism and those who support it but as long as their interests (Oil) are safeguarded- what do they care?

Did the US/West place any descernable pressure on Pakistan to show tanigble changes in its policy of harbouring terrorists even after OBL was found in the heart of their country or the link between the Haqqni Network that was killing their soldiers in Afghanistan was defintively proven?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Did the US/West place any descernable pressure on Pakistan to show tanigble changes in its policy of harbouring terrorists even after OBL was found in the heart of their country or the link between the Haqqni Network that was killing their soldiers in Afghanistan was defintively proven?

You know my position on that - it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be. There is no evidence even now that Pakistani institutions were involved in sheltering OBL and the CIA/NDS was playing it's own games with the TTP and Baloch terrorists.

Pakistan's actions are also more 'rational', grounded in national security goals rather than ideological goals as is the case with the Saudis. National security concerns can be addressed and compromises achieved on the means to address those concerns. Ideological goals such as those of extremist Wahabbis and Salafists don't leave any space for compromise, either in the end result or the means.

 

[flamer84]

So,they admit that they closed their eyes untill now ? Basically European citizens got butchered in the streets while they counted their petrodollars.Well,it's ok now,they're "opening a new era".

 

[Styx]

Can anyone Else Find the Connection ?

Iraq War + US Shale + ISIS + Iran Nuclear Pact = Saudi Downfall ?

hmm, interesting.. I would be 1000% behind such a saazish if it'll destroy the evil kingdom.

also, there has been much criticism of the saudis and their barbaric Sharia bs on FOX news lately, not sure if it means that the US right is turning on their favorite oil suppliers just yet though, there continues to be far more fiery rhetoric against Iran and the nuke deal.

Sauds = pure evil, virtually all the jihad in the world today has roots in their ideology.. Iraq and Saddam didn't deserve it, Libya and col Gaddafi didn't deserve it, Syria and Assad don't deserve it.. the kingdom of the al Sauds however... they DO deserve the hell they spread everywhere, they deserve a fate much worse that the combined misery of Iraq, Syria and Libya.. give them radiation therapy I say.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Saudis (Sunnai) are backing (Sunnai) ISIS in a proxy war agasint (Shia) Iran who is now coming out "from the cold" and being embraced by the West (somewhat) so there is the possibility of the West and Iran joining hands agaisnt a common enemy (ISIS).

That said it won't happen- the Americans will never take any definitive action against the Saudis whilst they are still sat on their oceans of Oil and will continue to turn a blind eye as they had done after 9/11 (I think 19/20 hijackers were Saudi?) and as they have done with Pakistan (for other strategic imperitives) for the past decade.

Change Sunni With Wahabi. Saudis arent Sunni, they are of the Wahabi sect.