Enter The Darul Uloom Deoband Hind (india)

[Maira La]

If Modi could ever gather enough courage to flatten the Deobandi HQ in India to the ground, all moderate Muslims would turn into BJP supporters overnight. ; )

 

[FULL_METAL]

If Modi could ever gather enough courage to flatten the Deobandi HQ in India to the ground, all moderate Muslims would turn into BJP supporters overnight. ; )

Give me one good reason why would he do that? Deobandis are actually one of the most peaceful muslim sects at least in India, They are always the first to condemn any moderate muslim attacks on our soil, ready to co operate with the government whenever required, it was them who helped the government running polio drives into conservative muslim belts, till date no evidence of terrorism has been found against them, always the first to come out with peace rallys after every major riots. I admit they are mostly bearded, paanch waqt ka namazi sometimes hyper religious but at the same time highly eloquent, peaceful and known to avoid confrontation.

On the other hand it is the barelvis and sufis who generally are aggressive by nature and engage in riots, ajmal kasav wasn't a deobandi neither are Yasin Bhatkal, dawood ibrahim, Hafeez saeed and Kashmiri mujahidins. So as you see the real threat to India comes from the moderate muslims. Let us know when some guy from Deoband UP pole vault to Bangladesh and blow up a building or two. Muslim world is facing an extremely complicated problem scapegoating an entire community is not the solution. Pray tell me why original Indian deobandis dont get involved in terrorism? why it is always Pakistani or Bangladeshi wannabe Deobandi mulla?

I mean i dont fcukin understand this logic, lungis and pakistanis think deoband of india is the root cause of all evils in their countries so it must be flattened, if some high on steroids lungi mulla who has never been to deoband, blow up a shia mosque in Bangladesh, deoband should be destroyed in return? so by this logic France should have bombed the living daylight out of saudi arabia as a retaliation of paris attack, right?

 

[Indika]

If Modi could ever gather enough courage to flatten the Deobandi HQ in India to the ground, all moderate Muslims would turn into BJP supporters overnight. ; )

Why should modi do it? deobandi muslims in india are not causing any problems. Its not like lal masjid of pakistan.
Coming from a country which dint have courage to prosecute the perpetrators of 1971 genocide and was ruled by jamaati puppets this is too much.

I mean i dont fcukin understand this logic, lungis and pakistanis think deoband of india is the root cause of all evils in their countries so it must be flattened, if some high on steroids lungi mulla who have never been to deoband blow up a shia mosque in Bangladesh deoband should be destroyed in return? so by this logic France should have bombed the living daylight out of saudis as a retaliation for paris attack, right?

they are more butt hurt that muslims are living peacefully in india. What they want is chaos. For them wahabbism propagated by their masters is not an issue but peacefull deobandis are. Bcos indian muslims dont listen to them or follow them in their violent wicked acts.

 

[Maira La]

Give me one good reason why would he do that? Deobandis are actually one of the most peaceful muslim sects ( ) at least in India, They are always the first to condemn any moderate muslim attacks on our soil...

I understand you were in the right mood to go on an emotional rant on Indian Muslims being peaceful and all, and might even end up getting some thanks and a circle j3rk session with like minded Indians.

I also understand making sense was not your intention when you started writing the post, so I'm here to help you understand your own post before I reply to one of your later posts that makes sense.

And to that end, I suggest you read the part of your post I quoted several times over till you understand the message you meant to convey and dive into "Google based research" to see if your statements stand to historical facts.

For them wahabbism propagated by their masters is not an issue but peacefull deobandis are.

@jamahir this is gold!

The average Hindus and their knowledge of Muslims - makes the homeless here look smart, lol.
I've always taken Chinese comments on Indian IQ seriously, and still do! ; )

Here's a lesson @FULL_METAL and @eyeswideshut could take home tonight:

"Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent."
- 17:28 New American Standard Bible

 

[mpk1988]

If Modi could ever gather enough courage to flatten the Deobandi HQ in India to the ground, all moderate Muslims would turn into BJP supporters overnight. ; )

Uh-huh. Sure.. Pass on that blunt will ya..

There will be large scale riots and 75% of PDF will label it genocide/fascism etc. Ground Reality.

 

[I.R.A]

@jamahir I have no idea what this topic or thread is about, but I am sorry I won't contribute, people won't like what I would type here.

 

[Indika]

I understand you were in the right mood to go on an emotional rant on Indian Muslims being peaceful and all, and might even end up getting some thanks and a circle j3rk session with like minded Indians.

I also understand making sense was not your intention when you started writing the post, so I'm here to help you understand your own post before I reply to one of your later posts that makes sense.

And to that end, I suggest you read the part of your post I quoted several times over till you understand the message you meant to convey and dive into "Google based research" to see if your statements stand to historical facts.



@jamahir this is gold!

The average Hindus and their knowledge of Muslims - makes the homeless here look smart, lol.
I've always taken Chinese comments on Indian IQ seriously, and still do! ; )

Here's a lesson @FULL_METAL and @eyeswideshut could take home tonight:

"Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent."
- 17:28 New American Standard Bible

I understand you were in the right mood to go on an emotional rant on Indian Muslims being peaceful and all, and might even end up getting some thanks and a circle j3rk session with like minded Indians.

I also understand making sense was not your intention when you started writing the post, so I'm here to help you understand your own post before I reply to one of your later posts that makes sense.

And to that end, I suggest you read the part of your post I quoted several times over till you understand the message you meant to convey and dive into "Google based research" to see if your statements stand to historical facts.



@jamahir this is gold!

The average Hindus and their knowledge of Muslims - makes the homeless here look smart, lol.
I've always taken Chinese comments on Indian IQ seriously, and still do! ; )

Here's a lesson @FULL_METAL and @eyeswideshut could take home tonight:

"Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent."
- 17:28 New American Standard Bible

Ok oh wise lord pray and educate us why more muslims kill each other in other parts of the world than india ?

 

[Zarvan]

Hi every one---
"the madrassas in Pak are the root cause of evil!,indirectly it is Pak"
every tom, dick n harry here on this very forum and there in the world falls for this trendy statement. without comprehending the root cause ----
the point being made is that to look trendy, everyone wants to talk about the symptoms no one dares to diagnose the disease. and this very disease of takfirism( nothing but a zionist tool) -- which wants to subdue every sane human lies in India.. with its advent by hijacking the madrassah system in the 19th century by the brits (in response to the Aligarh modern educational movement initiated by sunni n shai muslims e.g Sir Syed Ahmed khan----------)
like its contemporary sister oranizations e. ikhwaan e.t.c it has produced nothin but chaos, killings and whatnot in the Muslim world and beyond. you subdue before it or you are going to be termed as a bidati (innovator in Religion) or an infidel

Almost every terror activity here or there in the west is directly or indirectly related with a
''sunni" madrassh

there is not any single sunni madrisah which ever taught its followers or abetted any terror activity-----you folks have to make a distinction between [ sunni(brailvis / sufis), shia] and [deobandi cum salafist groups]

each n every terror organization either originates from or borrows its intellect form darul uloom deoband hind or from some salafist madrassh in M.E. they only constitutes 10 or 15% of Musalmans in the world .
TALIBAN, T.T.P, JINDULLAH, LASHKARS, ISISI, ALQAEDA and many others are the finest products of these madrassahs.

many here on this forum especially indians keep whinning about terrorism day in day out. have they ever dared to question their own govt?( inidan national security adviser ajit dovel is on record for admitting that they have given assistence to tehreek talliban n jindullah)
why don,t you tame or eradicate this zmobies dino-mind production factory in your very own country . which has and is polluting the very fabric of the muslim society in the world by making them suicide bombers--which they think is the only redemption for thier kind
every deobandi madrassah in Pak, afghanistan us , europe follows what lies in india in the name of sunni Islam

to my Pak brethren --why you people always adopt defensive approach. why not come forward and show these takfiris their bloody okaat.look what have they done to us . WE are the 87%-- no body takes us seriously even our kith n kin the Turks n Iranians with whom we have Religious cultural n blood ties --
you folks have to start an effective counter propoganda social campaign against this yazeedi crap --For how long we have to surrender our liberites and freedom to these cannibals. i mean i as a sunni have been taunted many a times for chanting

YA RASUL ALLAH S.A.W.W
YA ALI R.A
for celebrating PROPHET'S S.A.W.W BIRTHDAY?
For observing MUHARRAM Procession?

who the hell are they to dictate the sunni, shias what they should do or not.which they had been doing since centuries

Let me put it straight for these takfiris!--- people here have been converted by Sufi Saints -----

( almost 95% of Them are HASHEMITES--- Descendents OF THE PROPHET S.A.W.W . they knew Deen better and we will only only only do what they taught us to do )

not by umayas or abbasi's or by some tableeghi jamat



ok-- to show the extent of poison which they have injected in our minds i tell you people only one incident.
a man who had been attending a deobandi masjid just for 2 or 3 months asked me that he want to name his new born can i suggest him a name?. i congratulate him--- and told him to name his son after HAZRAT ALI ASGHAR R.A

he then starred at me for a while and then said no no no its a shia name--
there you go----------
then i suggested him---------ABU ZAR GHAFARI R.A ---- now he was like okk fine its the name of a Sahabi
see---- we have been lowered to this level of bigotry and hatred----------by none other than the deobandi cum salafis ''sharea''
first they come into sunni mosques ----every thing is fine----- then after gaining some reasonable control every thing becomes biddaaah and shirk-------------
my aim was to give awareness about darul uloom deoband hind who produces the real terror celebrities
in colloboration with their salafist directors and producers .
NOTE: ( not every deobandi or Wahabi is evil there are many great people in these sects . the man in my avatar is a Wahabi Alim)

your Thoughts plz ------------------------------
@Irfan Baloch @jamahir @karakoram @ghilzai @DESERT FIGHTER @haman10 @Daneshmand @Hyperion @Serpentine @zenon @Imran Khan @Areesh @Hakan @xenon54

Cut the crap if you have balls proof what is taught in that Madraasah wrong from Quran and Sunnah otherwise people are not going to listen to you. Bring proof or please stop wasting time.

 

[Maira La]

Ok oh wise lord pray and educate us why more muslims kill each other in other parts of the world than india ?

If you didn't pretend you know everything about all topics known to men, like the regular Indian, I might have attempted to educate you.

I'll make it short.

Salafism is a reformist movement within Islam (like the Protestant movement of Christianity). Salafism didn't appear out of the blue overnight, but was formed, molded into shape and evolved over the years under the scholarship of quite a few, well known and respected Salafist philosophers and thinkers.

Salafism has evolved into a couple of movements in several regions - the biggest in the Middle East is known as Wahabism; the biggest in Indian subcontinent is known as Deobandi. They respect each other, do not consider the other mainstream Salafi movements (i.e. each other) as deviants (unlike moderate Muslims) and hold a common core group of same philosophers/thinkers in high esteem.

Jamat-e-Islami BD and all other extremist movements consider themselves Deobandis, or, in their own words "real Sunnis" and label the remaining (the vast majority) as deviants/kafirs.

Now go back and read your posts. Laugh, I know you will.. oh and get a pack of popcorn before you read full metal's one.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

@jamahir I have no idea what this topic or thread is about, but I am sorry I won't contribute, people won't like what I would type here.

In simple words , He is telling madrasha are producing terrorists. Now go on...

 

[dadeechi]

If you didn't pretend you know everything about all topics known to men, like the regular Indian, I might have attempted to educate you.

I'll make it short.

Salafism is a reformist movement within Islam (like the Protestant movement of Christianity). Salafism didn't appear out of the blue overnight, but was formed, molded into shape and evolved over the years under the scholarship of quite a few, well known and respected Salafist philosophers and thinkers.

Salafism has evolved into a couple of movements in several regions - the biggest in the Middle East is known as Wahabism; the biggest in Indian subcontinent is known as Deobandi. They respect each other, do not consider the other mainstream Salafi movements (i.e. each other) as deviants (unlike moderate Muslims) and hold a common core group of same philosophers/thinkers in high esteem.

Jamat-e-Islami BD and all other extremist movements consider themselves Deobandis, or, in their own words "real Sunnis" and label the remaining (the vast majority) as deviants/kafirs.

Now go back and read your posts. Laugh, I know you will.. oh and get a pack of popcorn before you read full metal's one.

You gave an answer but only a partial one.

Now tell us why a Deobandi living in Pakistan blows up but not a Deobandi in India.

 

[I.R.A]

In simple words , He is telling madrasha are producing terrorists. Now go on...

It is not that simple ............................ and I have given OP a read the only person I would like to discuss this with is @vsdoc ................. who unfortunately happens to be banned (permanently I guess) ........... he is more knowledgeable of the true reasons than these Iranian Mullah supporters and Saudi worshipers.

 

[Maira La]

You gave an answer but only a partial one.

Now tell us why a Deobandi living in Pakistan blows up but not a Deobandi in India.

I suppose you're trying to say Deobandis in India are nicer. It appears so doesn't it? In India they are far outnumbered by both Hindus and the traditional Barelvi Muslims - they are compelled to tread carefully.

Regardless of there they operate and recruit from, their ideological HQ is in India. It's understandable why your leadership hesitates to go after Deobandi Ulema - bombs will go off left and right. In other words, there's an unwritten agreement to stay out of each other's way. ; )

 

[dadeechi]

I suppose you're trying to say Deobandis in India are nicer. It appears so doesn't it? In India they are far outnumbered by both Hindus and the traditional Barelvi Muslims - they are compelled to tread carefully.

Regardless of there they operate and recruit from, their ideological HQ is in India. It's understandable why your leadership hesitates to go after Deobandi Ulema - bombs will go off left and right. In other words, there's an unwritten agreement to stay out of each other's way. ; )

Well the difference is the constitution & rule of the law. Indian government does not recognize or implement sectarian policy. India cannot go after someone just because they do not like them or their philosophy impacted the brains of people from neighboring countries. When there is criminal evidence, Law will take its own course.

Deobandis, Barelvi sects clash over appointment of Imam in Lucknow | The Indian Express

We have Barelvi & Deobandi sects joining hands recently to protest and seek a strict law to deal with people making blasphemous comments.

Barelvi, Deobandi clerics lead 50k-strong rally against Kamlesh Tiwari - Times of India

 

[illusion8]

you want to carry on the ostrich practice?-- ok-fine

o mian, that is such a rude, uncouth and like @Shaagird said, a ostrich response.

those smart hindus are being killed, suppressed and oppressed by the sangh... where is your support for progressive hindu-borns like the late narendra dhabolkar who was assassinated by the sangh??

i being a socialist, a internationalist, will bother about everyone in the world, okay?? and any sensible human has a right to talk of problems and solutions for anywhere in the world.

just because you use "accusatory" words like rant for me doesn't mean you become right... you come on a thread where muslims are condemning the reactionary elements within their community and you accuse us of "not washing our backsides"??

just like i wrote that detailed post about the tableeghis and just like how shaagird wrote the op, can we hope for you to create a thread listing the various groups in the sangh and their local and global activities??

I advised you to keep your concentration to your extremist kind because they are a much bigger danger to the world and peace instead of looking at reactionary elements that were formed as a reaction to the extremist tendencies that was spread by the one's you are discussing on this thread.