Ensure national flag is hoisted at madrasas on Aug 15, Jan 26: HC tells UP govt

[magudi]

Sadly no.

Just see the history of this poster. And his favorite tactic is to call that commie beggar and traitor @jamahir to supprt his views

Typical sanghi tactic - to derate whoever doesn't tow their line as beggar,traitor,anti national etc

 

[[Bregs]]

i have never noticed any India flag on churches, Gurudwara or even temples as a rule as this order suggest. Hoisting national flag is symbol of respect and faith but orders are like these smells of hypocrisy of higher level

 

[magudi]

i have never noticed any India flag on churches, Gurudwara or even temples as a rule as this order suggest. Hoisting national flag is symbol of respect and faith but orders are like these smells of hypocrisy of higher level

Sanghis want to force patriotism down the throat of muslims when the biggest threat to national security and integrity are they themselves

Most extremists in India are not Muslim – they are Hindu

 

[[Bregs]]

Sanghis want to force patriotism down the throat of muslims when the biggest threat to national security and integrity are they themselves

scroll.in/article/718458/most-extremists-in-india-are-not-muslim-they-are-hindu

Lol sangh is not anti national bro but such stupid petitions in courts do make a particular community look isolated which is very dangerous

 

[JanjaWeed]

If it's compulsory in other schools & colleges, then why not in Madrasas? Afteral they do enjoy financial grant from the state on the basis of being an educational entity.
You can't be an educational institution one day to enjoy all the freebies & suddenly a private religious seminary which is exempted from all the rules & norms, the next day.

 

[al_asad_al_mulk]

i have never noticed any India flag on churches, Gurudwara or even temples as a rule as this order suggest. Hoisting national flag is symbol of respect and faith but orders are like these smells of hypocrisy of higher level

 

[Makaramarma]

i have never noticed any India flag on churches, Gurudwara or even temples as a rule as this order suggest. Hoisting national flag is symbol of respect and faith but orders are like these smells of hypocrisy of higher level

Hmmmmm.... so Madrassas are mosques. ... Interesting.

I thought all schools are require to host national flag as per government directive.

 

[SRP]

i have never noticed any India flag on churches, Gurudwara or even temples as a rule as this order suggest. Hoisting national flag is symbol of respect and faith but orders are like these smells of hypocrisy of higher level

Madrasa is not Mosque.

 

[Soumitra]

i have never noticed any India flag on churches, Gurudwara or even temples as a rule as this order suggest. Hoisting national flag is symbol of respect and faith but orders are like these smells of hypocrisy of higher level

Madarsaas are schools not places of worship.

Have you seen any "hindu" school not raising the national flag?

 

[[Bregs]]

Madrasa is not Mosque.

This order is justified for Muslim institutions but incidentally madrasas h

Madarsaas are schools not places of worship.

Have you seen any "hindu" school not raising the national flag?

I have ever seen any madrasa from inside in my life but i feel mosque is also there in it and now hardly any education in madrasa. but for all muslim institutions it is must to hoist national flag and order is valid there

 

[Stag112]

i have never noticed any India flag on churches, Gurudwara or even temples as a rule as this order suggest. Hoisting national flag is symbol of respect and faith but orders are like these smells of hypocrisy of higher level

Dude, I humbly suggest you are wrong here.

1. The order is not saying do flag hoisting in mosques (you mentioned church, gurudwara, temples etc)
2. The order is for govt assisted madrassas, i.e. schools. All government assisted schools do flag hoisting those days and govt has every right to make them do it in return of govt assistance and recognition
3. A purely privately run institution does not have to follow this order, thus have their freedom of choice intact.

I really do not see an issue here, except maybe the refusal of some madrassas to do flag hoisting. It is one of the stated goals of our education system to instill love and respect for our country and our national symbols in young minds, is it not?

 

[vsdoc]

Personally I think it is nonsensical for any court of law of the land to enforce a diktat of the national flag being hoisted by any Indian, anywhere.

You cannot enforce patriotism.

What you can do is enforce respect of the flag. By force where necessary.

And what you must do is brutally if necessary clamp down on the flag of a hostile sovereign state being unfurled on our soil.

But you cannot tell Indians, you must hoist our flag. If its not coming automatically from within, its of no value forcing the same.

If anything I feel we have way too many laws about furling our own flag. You go to the US and you see their flag everywhere. Here there is a severe dearth of the tricolor.

I was driving to Mumbai the other day and I was descending the ghat gingerly from Lonavala (with the rock falls etc.) and I see this MASSIVE tricolor fluttering majestically in Khopoli valley as the expressway wound and looped downwards.

All the hairs on my hand stood up, and I acted a bit silly and childish and saluted the flag while holding the steering with my other hand. Oblivious of the other motorists close around, or the others (office folk) in my car.

Its our flag. If we do not feel a surge of emotion for it, no HC or SC is going to plant that into us. We are already a lost cause.

 

[[Bregs]]

Dude, I humbly suggest you are wrong here.

1. The order is not saying do flag hoisting in mosques (you mentioned church, gurudwara, temples etc)
2. The order is for govt assisted madrassas, i.e. schools. All government assisted schools do flag hoisting those days and govt has every right to make them do it in return of govt assistance and recognition
3. A purely privately run institution does not have to follow this order, thus have their freedom of choice intact.

I really do not see an issue here, except maybe the refusal of some madrassas to do flag hoisting. It is one of the stated goals of our education system to instill love and respect for our country and our national symbols in young minds, is it not?

well i have already replied dear that if Madrasa(i always think them to be part of mosque for religious courses) are purely a education centers then must hoist national flag and celebrate too these two functions

 

[Stag112]

Personally I think it is nonsensical for any court of law of the land to enforce a diktat of the national flag being hoisted by any Indian, anywhere.

You cannot enforce patriotism.

What you can do is enforce respect of the flag. By force where necessary.

And what you must do is brutally if necessary clamp down on the flag of a hostile sovereign state being unfurled on our soil.

But you cannot tell Indians, you must hoist our flag. If its not coming automatically from within, its of no value forcing the same.

If anything I feel we have way too many laws about furling our own flag. You go to the US and you see their flag everywhere. Here there is a severe dearth of the tricolor.

I was driving to Mumbai the other day and I was descending the ghat gingerly from Lonavala (with the rock falls etc.) and I see this MASSIVE tricolor fluttering majestically in Khopoli valley as the expressway wound and looped downwards.

All the hairs on my hand stood up, and I acted a bit silly and childish and saluted the flag while holding the steering with my other hand. Oblivious of the other motorists close around, or the others (office folk) in my car.

Its our flag. If we do not feel a surge of emotion for it, no HC or SC is going to plant that into us. We are already a lost cause.

Sir, why are you missing the point? Flag hoisting is to be done in govt assisted schools so that young minds learn love and respect and a sense of brotherhood from it. These young kids do not decide whether to arrange that ceremony, some old bearded mullah does. And he can be and must be forced to do it if he wants govt assistance and recognition. He is not the target audience here, only the administrator.

We are only working towards one of the stated goals of our education system.

 

[vsdoc]

Sir, why are you missing the point? Flag hoisting is to be done in govt assisted schools so that young minds learn love and respect and a sense of brotherhood from it. These young kids do not decide whether to arrange that ceremony, some old bearded mullah does. And he can be and must be forced to do it if he wants govt assistance and recognition.

We are only working towards one of the stated goals of our education system.

I agree on the technicalities.

But as with most of my participation over the years, I don't get bogged down in technicalities but get to the heart of the matter.

Don't want Muslim kids growing up not loving the flag, ensure they go to normal schools. A madrasa has no business teaching. Its a religious school, and it does not prepare a child for a normal financially independent and socially integrated and contributory life.

Why should the state support a madrasa? What business does the state have using my money or yours to support the teachings of a specific faith?

Those are the points that should be debated.

Not forcing the madrasa to hoist our tricolor.