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English was barrier in IAF's date with Hawk

you are right, let me give you a very good example of some one you all know
late Air Chief Marshal Shamim his son joined the academy when his father was the chief, he got suspended from flying . you get 3 chances to prove to your IP that you can do it, and after 3 try you are history.
Now he being the son of the ACM he got 3 tires and on the 3rd try ACM was standing on the ground in front of flight ops, when his son landed the IP said sorry sir he failed again and ACM said fine he is out of the program.
So now you can see that PAF is very strict when it comes to flying .

plus the thread was on english : most men come form middle class familes Majority cannot speak english than there are kids from rich familes and ofcourse Air force babies who speak perfect english. Before the boys reach quater final they are speaking simple english by the time they are in the final term they are fluent in english. Hi I started learning english in 6th grade but when you reach Risalpure you do not speak a word of urdu. it is all english Not even our pilots but our Airmens C-2s they speak excellent english.
Pakistan Air Force has started a program in 1990 that Airmen who are good in there work and have the proper age they can join as GDP since 1990 we have more than 20 pilots who were Airmen and now they are GDPs
 
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That is gratifying to know. I myself am from an Army family. My dad retired as a colonel and was with the Royal Indian Army ( later joined the 8th ) in WWII. Yes, the military family culture is unique. I learned to ride, shoot, drive etc. at a very young age.

Even our house was always spick and span - everything in it's place. I'm sure if my dad was to visit me in Texas, he would have a cardiac - it would never pass barracks inspection!!!:D

The old man is well in his 80s now and still fit as a fiddle!
 
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MuradK,

Anwar Shamim passed away? When did this happen?

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The Hero of Skies



On 12 March, 1933, God blessed Syed Dur Hussain Bokhari with a son named Shabbir Hussain.The child with large brown eyes and moon-like shining face was given the nickname of “Chan” moon. According to his cousin, Syed Sajjad Hussain, Shabbir, since his childhood, had a passion for flying. His dearest pastime, in those days, was to make models of aircraft. Shabbir did his matriculation from MC High School Mozang, Lahore and then got admission to FC College, Lahore. His cousin, Syed Abid Ali told that Shabbir had an average interest in studies at the college. His fondest dream was to become a fighter pilot. His joy found no bound when he got commission in PAF in February, 1954. His brother Colonel Saghir Bokhari told that Shabbir achieved all successes in life due to his strong faith in God. His faith carried him through hazards courageously. He used to say, “ If you work hard with sincerity, God will give you more than you deserve”.

The study of annual reports of his early service career shows that he was an enthusiastic fighter pilot who had a great passion for flying. “ To get ability, you need good training” (Colonel Enrich cited in Robert. I. Shaw, 1986, p.333). Shabbir worked against time to gain consummate flying skill. His service record reveals that he was a true professional who loved his job. He served in various fighter units as a squadron pilot and fighter commander for 9 years. He took over command of a fighter squadron in 1963. From 1963-1970, he commanded three different fighter squadron at Masroor, Dacca and Peshawar. Afterwards, he commanded two fighter wings at the different bases. In 1975, he was posted to Air Headquarters as Director of Operations. He was given the prestigious appointment of Base Commander Sargodha in 1979. Subsequently, he took over as Air Officer Commanding, Northern Air Command in July,1982. Shabbir always put service before self. Similarly, service befittingly rewarded his dedication to duty and professionalism. He was made DCAS (Ops) and later on, he retired from PAF as VCAS in 1988 after rendering 34 years of brilliant service.

During his service, Air Marshal Shabbir attended a number of professional courses. His course reports reveal that he was highly disciplined, hardworking, self-confident officer who was driven by a dream to become the ace of aces. His service courses include: Fighter Leaders’ Course, Flight Safety Officers’ Course at University of Southern California, USA; Pakistan Air Force Staff Collage; Royal College of Defence Studies, UK; and Senior International Defence Management Course, USA. Also, he had the honour of training the pilots of Iraqi Air Force in 1968. PAF acknowledged his services by awarding him Hilal-i-Imtiaz Military, Sitara-i-Jur’at and Tamgha-i-Basalat.

As he progressed in career, Shabbir’s unparalleled professionalism, excellent marksmanship and exceptional flying skill distinguished him as a fighter pilot. “The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood who strives valiantly, who knows the great enthusiasms who spends himself in a worthy cause.” (Roosevelt cited in Nixon, 1982, p.345). Certainly, the time came in the life of Shabbir when his mettle and Leadership were tested in the flames of war. He bravely stood the test of time and made a permanent niche in the temple of fame. A formation of 5 F-86 aircraft with Squadron Leader Shabbir Hussain Syed, the Squadron Commander, in the lead, took off at 0635 hrs to strike against Kalaikunda. The total loss to the enemy on that single day was over 14 aircraft, whereas, PAF lost only two aircraft during the war in the Eastern Theatre.

During the strikes, Sqn Ldr Shabbir and his flight destroyed on the ground 10 Canberra (Light Bombers) and two unidentified enemy aircraft and damaged two more. In an aerial combat following the strike, the lion-hearted Shabbir destroyed one enemy Hunter aircraft. For his exceptional flying skill and outstanding valour, Squadron Leader Shabbir Hussain Syed was awarded Sitara-i-Jur’at. After these epoch-making missions, No 14 Squadron earned the nickname of ‘Tail Choppers’. “Despite the Kalaikunda strike becoming a classic in the PAF, I never heard Shabbir giving an embellished account of it in any company. When pressed, all he ever said was that he had trained his squadron for that mission and when the time came, his boys performed upto his expectations.This rare leadership quality and his distinguished performance in more senior ranks and assignments in the subsequent years earned Shabbir an enormous amount of respect and he accepted it with quiet dignity.”Air Chief Marshal Jamal, commending the leadership and courage of Air Marshal Shabbir, Air Marshal Nur Khan writes, “In spite of the advice from local army soldiers and the Government of East Pakistan not to take any initiative that might provoke Indian, it was difficult to hold back Shabbir and his Squadron from launching an offensive ... This courageous strike and continued aggressive air operations by Shabbir and his men totally brought the sky of East Pakistan under the control of PAF. The strike of Kalaikunda in East Pakistan was thus one of the most humiliating experiences by IAF”. Air Chief Marshal Shamim in an interview with the writer said, “Shabbir was a jewel of a man who always had good opinions about others. As ACAS(Ops), he always gave solid recommendations instead of only writing, “Recommended and forwarded” on files. I valued his professional and matured opinions. He was an unassuming person who never liked to discuss his historic strike against Kalaikunda”. Air Cdr Kamal talking with the writer said, “Shabbir was a great man who never discussed people. He was one of the best leaders PAF ever produced. Shabbir was a humble person who never liked to talk about his classic Kalaikunda Strike”. In an interview with the writer, Air Cdr M M Alam paid tribute to Air Marshal Shabbir in these words “tSajad’s strike against Pathankot, our superior air combat and Shabbir’s strike against Kalaikunda tipped the balance of war in favour of PAF”. Of all the galaxy of military attributes hat which shone brightest in Air Marshal Shabbir was leadership, Air Cdr Sajjad Haider praises his leadership talent in these words “My friend was a great leader. He led the Kalaikunda Strike with remarkable valour, professional skill and meticulous precision”. Air Marshal Shabbir’s mastery over his flying machine proved that, in the aerial warfare, the factor of quality is relatively more decisive than the factor of quantity. The story of lightening and roaring raids over Kalaikunda continue to be a resounding chapter of the air combat history. Perhaps, the greatest tribute paid to Air Marshal Shabbir was by Air Chief Marshal PC Lal, Chief of the Air Staff, Indian Air Force when he writes about sound and fury of this memorable attack “When we have not realized ... and once in a while we have not, as at Kalaikunda, we have paid for it”. Very few in the history of warfare have enjoyed the unique distinction which Air Marshal Shabbir has — that in spite of inflicting heavy losses to the enemy, he was admired by him as a brave and courageous fighter pilot. His high order leadership, excellent professionalism and brave deeds will be a great source of inspiration for all the fighter pilots.

“The fighter pilot is an independent character. He does not like too many people around him. He is an individualist”.(Colonel Hartman cited in Robert. L. Shaw, p.282). These lines truly portray a true picture of Air Marshal Shabbir. He was an independent character and an individualist In the history of aeral warfare, Shabbir will ever be remembered a hero who was respected and praised by the friend and foe alike. Born and bred in a small village, Shabbir inscribed a saga of courage and valour in the azure sky.

On 29 April, 2002, he closed his large brown eyes for all the times. His moon-like shining face waned away. The “Chan” eclipsed forever never to appear again.

PAF never forgets its heroes. From Air Marshal Nur Khan to Air Chief Marshal Pervez Mehdi Qureshi — all the former Air Chiefs went to his village to pay homage to the hero of the nation. Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir with his PSOs was there to salute the permanent resting abode of the Hero of The Skies.:army:

Every soul shall have a taste of death: And We test you by evil and by good by way of trial: To Us must ye return. (XXI:35)
 
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Murad,

I was asking about CAS Air Marshal (Retd) Anwar Shamim and not Air Marshal Shabbir Hussain since you had referred to Anwar Shamim as "Late" in one of your earlier posts. But thanks for the article in any case, it was good reading! May God rest his soul in peace. ameen.
 
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Murad,

I was asking about CAS Air Marshal (Retd) Anwar Shamim and not Air Marshal Shabbir Hussain since you had referred to Anwar Shamim as "Late" in one of your earlier posts. But thanks for the article in any case, it was good reading! May God rest his soul in peace. ameen.

Sorry yar getting to old seriously :wall: , no shamin sahib is perfectly fine living in Islamabad E-7 Sector


I have deleted some of the data as your friend might not like you posting his address on the internet! Keysersoze
 
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i was told by one of my pilot friend who was here on some flying course that usaf personals were surprised to know that paf has all it commands in english... desis gets killed by there accent not the english language itself.
 
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And to think one could assume that a guy from Glasgow or Liverpool would be speaking pure english with no accent.
 
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from the title I know it must be (due to) accent.

I used to have some Indian Friends who were working for Nokia, they speak fluent English but not as easily as English natives to get.

a texan will pronunce biangk for bank,and it's still understandable, but when my Indian friends said derink for drink, I just missed the moment for a toast.

so, strictly, foreigner's English is not simply the issue of accent, although some of them do speak like English natives.

same thing may happen if Vietnamese go to French training courses.
 
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