Elon Musk praises Chinese workers, says Americans ‘trying to avoid’ work

[beijingwalker]

It's not western propaganda, the stats on worker deaths are published by the Chinese government. Unfortunately the Chinese government statistics conflate death from overwork with work related death / injury. You keep painting China as a utopian society when in fact more people die from work related injuries than from COVID - but I don't see factories being locked down.

https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4589731465407249

Overtime triggers heated discussion after workers' deaths

Debate about working overtime in China's burgeoning information technology sector has resurfaced after the deaths of two staff members at major internet companies.

www.chinadaily.com.cn

now don't tell me China Daily is Western MSM.

Where is the stats you claimed? some individual cases happen everywhere, I m Chinese, I work in China and we know how we work and I lived in US I also know how Americans work, surely Chinese are more hardworking than Americans but not nearly close to widespread overworking, and also we are not like westeran media claims "being lying flat" either, you want stats? I will provide some.

When you are poor , you work your hands to the bones to put the food on the table, after you get rich, you work less and become lazy, this is also true in China, now Chinese work much less hours than we used to do, people now spend much more time on vacations, China now is the world biggest outbound tourists country by a huge margin.

 

[dbc]

Where is the stats you claimed? some individual cases happen everywhere, I m Chinese, I work in China and we know how we work and I lived in US I also know how Americans work, surely Chinese are more hardworking than Americans but not nearly close to widespread overworking, and also we are not like westeran media claims "being lying flat" either, you want stats? I will provide some.

Chinese statistics from 2009? really? why not from 唐太宗 era?

 

[beijingwalker]

Chinese statistics from 2009? really? why not from 唐太宗 era?

You believe Chinese work more hours than we did 10 years ago? use you brain please. China now this year is not even on the top list. and where is your claimed data?

Average working hours in 2024 | Countries | Cities | Professions

The global average number of work hours per week is 40. However, this number varies in different countries.

timeanalyticssoftware.com

 

[dbc]

You believe Chinese work more hours than we did 10 years ago? use you brain please. China now this year is not even on the top list. and where is your claimed data?

Average working hours in 2024 | Countries | Cities | Professions

The global average number of work hours per week is 40. However, this number varies in different countries.

timeanalyticssoftware.com

It's not western propaganda, the stats on worker deaths are published by the Chinese government.

Please work on your reading and comprehension skills. I never said I had government statistics on work hours (see above). I said there are official figures for worker deaths which averaged a 104 deaths per day in 2018.

去年中国安全生产形势良好事故总量下降-国际在线

国际在线报道（记者 杨琼）：中国国家安全生产监督管理总局局长王玉普２９日表示，去年中国安全生产形势呈现良好态势，事故总量、较大事故以及重特大事故数量均有所下降。未来，中国将通过健全法律法规、体制机制改革、技术进步等方式，全面提升中国安全

news.cri.cn

 

[Beast]

Actually this brings up a point:

Elon Musk praises Chinese workers for ‘burning the 3am oil’ – here’s what that really looks like

Tesla’s massive Shanghai ‘Giga-factory’ pushes its workers to the limit to meet production targets amid an ongoing pandemic lockdown

www.theguardian.com

"...These practices are on par with China’s extreme work culture, nicknamed “996”, in which workers are expected to work from 9am to 9pm, six days a week. The practice has been the source of protests in recent years and has been characterized as a form of modern slavery..."

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@jamahir wasn't this one of the main tenets of Socialism/Communism that workers were being exploited by capitalist systems?

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The Jungle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The novel portrays the harsh conditions and exploited lives of immigrants in the United States in Chicago and similar industrialized cities. Sinclair's primary purpose in describing the meat industry and its working conditions was to advance socialism in the United States

That is why it is impossible to shift out of the world factory. It is irreplaceable. I always have a chuck when clowns and fools talk about replacing world factory with other low wages nation like India.

Factory owner dont care about human right or work, life, balance. All they care deep down their heart is profit only. You American can brag all you want. Elon Musk knows only made in China works. American are too lazy and ill efficient to commercialize products.

 

[beijingwalker]

Please work on your reading and comprehension skills. I never said I had government statistics on work hours (see above). I said there are official figures for worker deaths which averaged a 104 deaths per day in 2018.

去年中国安全生产形势良好事故总量下降-国际在线

国际在线报道（记者 杨琼）：中国国家安全生产监督管理总局局长王玉普２９日表示，去年中国安全生产形势呈现良好态势，事故总量、较大事故以及重特大事故数量均有所下降。未来，中国将通过健全法律法规、体制机制改革、技术进步等方式，全面提升中国安全

news.cri.cn

And how it compare with the rest of the world, without relative comparison, those numbers can never give a full picture, do you know how many people are killed by guns every year in US?

去年中国安全生产形势良好事故总量下降-国际在线

国际在线报道（记者 杨琼）：中国国家安全生产监督管理总局局长王玉普２９日表示，去年中国安全生产形势呈现良好态势，事故总量、较大事故以及重特大事故数量均有所下降。未来，中国将通过健全法律法规、体制机制改革、技术进步等方式，全面提升中国安全

news.cri.cn

中国国家安全生产监督管理总局局长王玉普在全国安全生产会议上说，２０１７年，中国共发生各类生产安全事故５．３万起、死亡３．８万人，均同比下降一成多。其中，重特大事故的发生起数以及死亡人数分别下降了二成多和四成.

This was the report of accident related deaths in work, like coalmine accidents and gunpower manufacturing and so on, where did it say the deaths were related to overworking? Are you trying to be stupid or what?

 

[dbc]

It's not western propaganda, the stats on worker deaths are published by the Chinese government. Unfortunately the Chinese government statistics conflate death from overwork with work related death / injury.

This was the report of accident related deaths in work, like coalmine accidents and gunpower manufacturing and so on, where did it say the deaths were related to overworking? Are you trying to be stupid or what?

Again, try and improve your comprehension. I already said Chinese official statistics does not track worker death due to overwork. The reality is that accidents are often the result of lapse in concentration due to fatigue from overwork, if a delivery driver dies in a road accident caused by fatigue, China attributes the death to a road accident and not to fatigue induced driver fatality. Once again read my original post when I said death due to overwork is combined with all other causes of worker death.

If 996 is western propaganda then why the public backlash against Pinduoduo and
Bilibili? According to you no one overworks in China.

https://m.weibo.cn/status/4734198063831630?

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

It is hard to generalize but govt and public sector workers are lazy bums mostly - I have seen this in the US, in India and in China. This includes state owned enterprises in China, defence companies out of KStreet and almost all in Delhi.

 

[HydraChess]

It's avoiding "going to" work...as in staying at home and telecommuting.

Naah. Taking retirement. Elon wants work but does not want to pay.

 

[etylo]

Reminds of Supervisors who try to encourage their subordinates to slave themselves out by using phrases like "not working upto your potential" , "you all need to work as hard as him/her" etc

However, for Chinese an American's approval seems to be civilizational goal

No，you Indians are indeed whitemen's lackeys, that's for sure. What Musk saying is a known fact and you Indians shouldn't be upset about it. A Chinese just quoted Musk saying some positive remarks about Chinese workers and some negative remarks about Americans doesn't make the case that Chinese are looking for American approval as a civilizational goal as you Indians are. If that is the case, Chinese might as well many years ago gave up the current Chinese own Socialist system and adopted the American Capitalist "election" system, after all that's what the Americans want Chinese to do. And you Indians seek to have whitemen's approval as a civilizational goal by adopting your white master British colonial system as your own, staying as a member of the British Commonwealth and adopting foreign English language as your official language. And indeed you Indians are constantly quoting anything the whites say about India on the PDF forum. After all, what Musk says about China or Chinese should be noted by Chinese since he is a big investor of technology and has big business in China, he is important in some way to China, it's that simple !

 

[mili]

You seem be a poster boy for my comment

Look at the fierce concern for "whites" in your response, something my post did not even mention

Freudian slip or cultural conditioning, similar to these examples below-

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An indian getting excited for his white masters over a Chinese boy buying a made in China phone & news from 10 yrs ago while his white masters, and india too, addicted to billions in made in China every day.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I just pointed out the western propaganda, I live in China, I know how we work , relax and vacation, neither "lying flat" nor "workaholics", only fools can't see the contradiction of western propaganda.

I think much of this "Western propaganda" is in your head and besides "tang ping" (lying flat) is a term coined by the Chinese not the West.

 

[beijingwalker]

"Lying flat", China is collapsing cause Chinese people are so lazy and refuse to work.
"overworking" , China is collapsing cause the Chinese people are working too hard and they are dying in big number due to overworking.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

"Lying flat", China is collapsing cause Chinese people are so lazy and refuse to work.
"overworking" , China is collapsing cause the Chinese people are working too hard and they are dying in big number due to overworking.

So yes blame your own people for saying China is collapsing by pushing the Tang Ping "lying flat" meme on social media.

Tang ping - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It seems 躺平 was also disabled on WeChat and shirts with it pulled from stores.

'Lie Down' Merchandise Removed From China's Online Stores

The disappearance of the slogans comes after the concept is attacked in state-run media.

www.rfa.org

Major online shopping sites in China are removing T-shirts and other products referring to "lying down," a social phenomenon in which young people are increasingly refusing to cooperate with pressures to find a good job, get a mortgage, or marry, among other things.

T-shirts, mobile phone cases, and other items carrying slogans referencing "lying down," or "lying flat," were removed from Taobao.com and Jingdong.com in recent days, online shoppers told RFA.

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This is just another classic example of the Chinese looking to blame other countries for everything when in reality it was home grown.

It just isn't in your nature to accept responsibility...always somebody else MUST have caused it.

 

[beijingwalker]

So yes blame your own people for saying China is collapsing by pushing the Tang Ping "lying flat" meme on social media.

Tang ping - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It seems 躺平 was also disabled on WeChat and shirts with it pulled from stores.

'Lie Down' Merchandise Removed From China's Online Stores

The disappearance of the slogans comes after the concept is attacked in state-run media.

www.rfa.org

Major online shopping sites in China are removing T-shirts and other products referring to "lying down," a social phenomenon in which young people are increasingly refusing to cooperate with pressures to find a good job, get a mortgage, or marry, among other things.

T-shirts, mobile phone cases, and other items carrying slogans referencing "lying down," or "lying flat," were removed from Taobao.com and Jingdong.com in recent days, online shoppers told RFA.

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This is just another classic example of the Chinese looking to blame other countries for everything when in reality it was home grown.

It just isn't in your nature to accept responsibility...always somebody else MUST have caused it.

Both Lying flat and 996 topics firstly emerged on the Chinese social media, they are just casual and even entertaining topics which would be completely normal in every other country, but western media just swooped in and pulls out all stops to blow them out of proportion. they don't really care about the contradition and how little those issues represent the general picture in China, in western reports, they are trying to make it feel like all Chinese people are "lying flat", lazy and refusing to work, at the same time, western media also tries to make people believe all Chinese people are working so hard to the point that many of them die from overworking. How ridiculous, do they have a brain to think at least for a second?