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Elon Musk embarrasses US, Russian, and Chinese space agencies by launching the most powerful rocket

it is going to be the trend, whether you want to deny it or not, state owned institutions are tend to be inefficient and costly (applies to China or America's SOE), but private groups otherwise, with good security and management, they can be very helpful to a nation's space exploration.

we also have few private companies investing loads of money in the field
http://www.myzaker.com/article/5a3f0c181bc8e03656000000/
http://www.sohu.com/a/210763912_685252

It is because America's space industry conglomerate is much mature and advanced than ours, so their private firm has better chance of getting leading tech support than our private firms. However, with our ever acceleration in space tech, we will soon too to have our private firms do achieve such feet in space exploration
Single private companies do not have as much money as government to spend on r&d. Especially the one that can print unlimited money. That's why they can waste more money than private companies
 
Single private companies do not have as much money as government to spend on r&d. Especially the one that can print unlimited money. That's why they can waste more money than private companies
its not a game that you can print money when its short, its all about market mechanism, there are pros and cons to SOE, lack of efficiency is one of them to SOE (applies to all the countries), our government knows it very well`````
 
As I said before the title is misleading both USSR and USA managed to build stronger rockets half a century before spacex and they both did it with technologies of that time .
I'm sure if Spacex wanted to use the technologies available in time of Saturn V or Energia they could not achieve what those stronger rockets did at those time . USA and USSR didn't developed those rockets further at the time because there was simply no demand for it as this spacex launch show it and Elon had to launch his car to space.

And about landing the rocket just think about difference of the computation power between what today you have and what they had before. You can go from Wal-Mart buy a simple calculator which have far more processing power than Buran or any of USA Shuttle combined with each other had at their disposal.
 
That's the strength of America. They are able to attract talent and ideas from the rest of the world and recombine them into the American culture. So what if they are not home grown?

http://www.businessinsider.com/major-us-companies-founded-by-immigrants-2017-2
If it -- whatever 'it' is -- was seeded and/or prospered in America, then it is homegrown.

A seed by itself is nothing. It is the soil, the water, and the laborious tilling that enabled the seed to produce. A foreign Idea may have been borne elsewhere and carried to America, but it was the local economy, the local people who are average and bright, the local money, and local materiel that made physical that Idea. So yes, if it was successful in America, it is homegrown. Deal with it.
 
As I said before the title is misleading both USSR and USA managed to build stronger rockets half a century before spacex and they both did it with technologies of that time .
I'm sure if Spacex wanted to use the technologies available in time of Saturn V or Energia they could not achieve what those stronger rockets did at those time . USA and USSR didn't developed those rockets further at the time because there was simply no demand for it as this spacex launch show it and Elon had to launch his car to space.

And about landing the rocket just think about difference of the computation power between what today you have and what they had before. You can go from Wal-Mart buy a simple calculator which have far more processing power than Buran or any of USA Shuttle combined with each other had at their disposal.

I would have added "active" in the title but it hit the max char limit.
I agree with your assessment.

But you have to give SpaceX credit for building brand new rocket engines and making things reusable in a relatively short time. The US and Russian space agencies are almost 60 years old. The Chinese have had rocket engines for decades. They all have top scientists, big budgets, and 10's of thousands of people. Billions spent over the decades.

Tiny SpaceX comes in with a fraction of that manpower and a fraction of that funding using mostly private investors and builds a rocket that is powerful and reusable.

Even if I remove the US because of the Saturn V and Russia because of its Energia you can still see this whopper to put things in perspective. Even their little Falcon 9 was impressive. It was almost as powerful as China’s new top rocket.

SpaceX: Falcon 9
Payload to LEO 22,800 kg (50,300 lb)
Payload to GTO 8,300 kg (18,300 lb)

SpaceX: Falcon Heavy
Payload to LEO 63,800 kg (140,700 lb)
Payload to GTO 26,700 kg (58,900 lb)

China: Long March 5 (cz5)
Payload to LEO 23,000 kg (51,000 lb)
Payload to GTO 13,000 kg (29,000 lb)

This is just SpaceX’s second rocket! What’s their 5th going to look like?

Plus SpaceX has sent their Dragon ship to the ISS multiple times. It can seat 7 people. That ties it with the Space Shuttle for capacity. How crazy is that?
 
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China's CZ-9 payload is 140tons to LEO:o:

China can have its own Falcon Heavy, rocket scientist says
Preliminary work on the Long March 9 is under way and awaiting government approval, according to chief designer

PUBLISHED : Thursday, 08 February, 2018, 7:08pm


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China should push ahead with development of its own heavy-lift rocket so that it can surpass SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy, a Chinese rocket scientist said on Thursday.

Long Lehao, chief carrier rocket designer at the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, told Global Times, published under party mouthpiece People’s Daily, that the Long March 9 rocket could be ready within 10 years.

Preliminary work on the rocket was under way, and scientists were waiting for government approval to go ahead with it, Long said.

He made the remarks after Elon Musk’s SpaceX [URL='http://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2132341/tesla-orbit-bizarre-twist-falcon-heavy-worlds-most']successfully launched its powerful Falcon Heavy
rocket on Tuesday, sparking comparisons between US and Chinese space technology on social media in China – with the consensus that China is lagging further behind.

“Based on China’s current technology, it would be entirely possible to develop the model [Long March 9] within a decade after it’s approved,” Long said, adding that it would aim to be one of the world’s most powerful carrier rockets.

The Falcon Heavy draws on the design of the company’s smaller Falcon 9 and can deliver up to 64 tonnes into standard low-Earth orbit, making it the most powerful rocket in operation – second only to the Saturn V rockets which were used in the Apollo missions.

The cost is estimated at US$90 million per launch – about a quarter of the cost of the Delta 4 Heavy, one of the main rockets in the US space fleet.

The Falcon Heavy’s payload means SpaceX can use it to launch bigger satellites for military and intelligence use, as well as for space exploration programmes to Mars and outer planets such as Jupiter and Saturn.

China’s nuclear spaceships will be ‘mining asteroids and flying tourists’ as it aims to overtake US in space race

China’s biggest and most powerful launch vehicle so far is the Long March 5, which is an important part of the country’s more ambitious projects including sending humans to the moon. Its debut launch in November 2016 was declared a success but in a setback for the programme, its second launch failed in July.

Now China is researching its own super heavy-lift launch vehicle, the Long March 9, which could potentially place up to 140 tonnes into near-Earth orbit, surpassing the power of the Falcon Heavy.

The Long March 9 is intended to be used for a manned lunar landing by 2030, as well as deep space exploration missions.

Song Zhongping, a military commentator based in Hong Kong, said the Falcon Heavy milestone would have been a shock for those involved in the Chinese space programme, but China should develop its technology at a steady pace.

“China needs to resolve the technical problems with its Long March 5 rocket first, and make it more reliable in the coming two years, because that is the basis for developing the Long March 9 rocket,” Song said.

Work could officially begin on the new rocket soon after the technical issues were ironed out with the Long March 5, Song said. He added that the space tech programme needed more talent and urged private investors to get involved to boost the competitiveness of China’s space industry.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Chinese science ‘must rise to challenge’ of Musk’s rocket[/URL]
 
China's CZ-9 payload is 140tons to LEO:o:

China can have its own Falcon Heavy, rocket scientist says
Preliminary work on the Long March 9 is under way and awaiting government approval, according to chief designer

PUBLISHED : Thursday, 08 February, 2018, 7:08pm


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China should push ahead with development of its own heavy-lift rocket so that it can surpass SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy, a Chinese rocket scientist said on Thursday.

Long Lehao, chief carrier rocket designer at the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, told Global Times, published under party mouthpiece People’s Daily, that the Long March 9 rocket could be ready within 10 years.

Preliminary work on the rocket was under way, and scientists were waiting for government approval to go ahead with it, Long said.

He made the remarks after Elon Musk’s SpaceX
successfully launched its powerful Falcon Heavy rocket on Tuesday, sparking comparisons between US and Chinese space technology on social media in China – with the consensus that China is lagging further behind.

“Based on China’s current technology, it would be entirely possible to develop the model [Long March 9] within a decade after it’s approved,” Long said, adding that it would aim to be one of the world’s most powerful carrier rockets.

The Falcon Heavy draws on the design of the company’s smaller Falcon 9 and can deliver up to 64 tonnes into standard low-Earth orbit, making it the most powerful rocket in operation – second only to the Saturn V rockets which were used in the Apollo missions.

The cost is estimated at US$90 million per launch – about a quarter of the cost of the Delta 4 Heavy, one of the main rockets in the US space fleet.

The Falcon Heavy’s payload means SpaceX can use it to launch bigger satellites for military and intelligence use, as well as for space exploration programmes to Mars and outer planets such as Jupiter and Saturn.

China’s nuclear spaceships will be ‘mining asteroids and flying tourists’ as it aims to overtake US in space race

China’s biggest and most powerful launch vehicle so far is the Long March 5, which is an important part of the country’s more ambitious projects including sending humans to the moon. Its debut launch in November 2016 was declared a success but in a setback for the programme, its second launch failed in July.

Now China is researching its own super heavy-lift launch vehicle, the Long March 9, which could potentially place up to 140 tonnes into near-Earth orbit, surpassing the power of the Falcon Heavy.

The Long March 9 is intended to be used for a manned lunar landing by 2030, as well as deep space exploration missions.

Song Zhongping, a military commentator based in Hong Kong, said the Falcon Heavy milestone would have been a shock for those involved in the Chinese space programme, but China should develop its technology at a steady pace.

“China needs to resolve the technical problems with its Long March 5 rocket first, and make it more reliable in the coming two years, because that is the basis for developing the Long March 9 rocket,” Song said.

Work could officially begin on the new rocket soon after the technical issues were ironed out with the Long March 5, Song said. He added that the space tech programme needed more talent and urged private investors to get involved to boost the competitiveness of China’s space industry.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: Chinese science ‘must rise to challenge’ of Musk’s rocket

10 years? 140 tonnes?

10 years ago SpaceX didn’t even have the Falcon 9. That’s how young this company is.

In 2 years they will be testing the BFR with 150 tonnes...and that's with it having the power to land back at the pad in one piece. 10 years from now it could be something crazy large.

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look at how large the capsule is compared to the man. Imagine that bottom half coming down to land!!
 
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https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/02/falcon-heavy-success-paves-space-beyond-earth/

Falcon Heavy success paves the way for open access to space beyond Earth


It’s been said before, but it bears repeating: Tuesday was a momentous and historic day in the history of space exploration as SpaceX successfully conducted the maiden flight of its Falcon Heavy rocket – a heavy lift vehicle capable of placing 140,000 lbs into Low Earth Orbit. But beyond the sheer numbers of its capabilities, Falcon Heavy has ushered in a new era and continues to fulfill SpaceX’s promise to create a more open access environment to the space beyond Earth orbit.


Falcon Heavy – driving the future:

The maiden voyage of Falcon Heavy was a huge success. Not only did the rocket meet all of its test objectives – including engine ignition, launch, performance at Max Q, successful demonstration of side booster separation, orbit insertion, orbit loiter, second stage reignition, and the TMI (Trans-Mars Injection) burn – but it also resulted in SpaceX doing something its skeptics (and even Elon Musk) said likely would not work the first time out.

But SpaceX has an amazing ability to take the impossible and make it look effortless, though the hard engineering work and long hours of analysis it takes to pull off those impossible moments cannot be overstated.

And it’s because of the hard work and dedication of the SpaceX workforce and their belief in innovation that makes Falcon Heavy’s success not the first, not even the second, but the third time in just 25 months the always-forward-thinking company has pulled off what many thought impossible.
 
Falcon Heavy successfully launches!!!
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Yes, he sent his Tesla as the payload.

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▲ Tesla Roadster caught tumbling in outer space
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Falcon Heavy successfully launches!!!

Building large stations like this are now almost within our grasp.

Total false flag!:hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

In this regard, astronomer Serge Brunier's Bahman 22 commentary on the
French television :

"It is simply impossible for humans to survive a trip to Mars and settle there due to the most deadly radiations."



SpaceX: Falcon Heavy
Payload to LEO 63,800 kg (140,700 lb)

The embarrassed contenders...

China: Long March 5 (cz5)
Payload to LEO 23,000 kg (51,000 lb)


On the occasion of the most auspicious 2018 Chinese New Year (this week), CASIC 4th Institute will proceed with the first test of key technologies of its latest 4.2 meters diameter solid propellant rocket engine, to be followed in the second half of 2018 by a full scale ground static firing.
This booster will be the world's largest solid fuel rocket engine, dwarfing the U.S.' 3.7 meters diameter engine.

The said engine will allow the Kuaizhou-21 launcher to place 20 tons in LEO, and even 70 tons in LEO with Kuaizhou-31.

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▲ CASIC's Kuaizhou solid propellant launchers family, from right to left: KZ-21A, KZ-21, KZ-11A, KZ-11, etc

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▲ CASIC's Kuaizhou solid propellant launchers family, from right to left: KZ-31, KZ-11, etc...

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光明日报:快舟火箭探索商业航天新模式

【发布时间:2018年02月02日】 【来源:四院】

光 明日报1月29日电(记者詹媛)航天科工火箭技术有限公司研制的“快舟一号甲”小型固体运载火箭在2017年1月冲破零下20摄氏度的寒冷天气将3颗卫星 成功送入轨道,被视作中国商业航天领域的佳话。截至2017年12月底,“快舟一号甲”已获得16个发射订单。2017年12月底,航天科工火箭技术有限 公司在A轮增资中募集了12亿元的社会资本,在增资仪式上,投资方代表感叹:“从火箭公司增资的"备胎"到最终转正,非常荣幸。”这颠覆了人们以往印象中 拿着项目“追”投资人的印象,体现出“硬科技”创新的魅力。快舟火箭未来还会有什么新动作?这对于我国太空经济的发展有何启示?记者就此专访了中国航天科 工集团第四研究院副院长、航天科工火箭技术有限公司董事长张镝。

据张镝介绍,融资所获得的资金将用于快舟系列运载火箭产品研制、商业航天上下游产业布局与快舟总装能力建设等。

“目前国内对火箭运载的需求非常旺盛,而我们的商业发射就是要做到服务好、报价低,同时能适应商业卫星发射在时间上的不确定性。”张镝说,目前正在对“快舟一号甲”进行技术升级,会尝试以“用复合材料替代发动机的金属材料”等方式来进一步优化集成技术,降低成本。

另外一方面,我国运载能力最强、起飞质量最大、箭体直径最大的新型固体运载火箭——快舟十一号固体运载火箭的关键技术攻关也已经完成,进入全箭调试测试阶段,预计将于2018年上半年以“一箭六星”方式完成首飞。

同 时,我国超大直径固体火箭发动机也将于2018年春节期间点火验证关键技术,2018年二季度进行全尺寸验证试验。据张镝介绍,这款固体火箭发动机直径超 过4米,大幅刷新了固体火箭发动机直径的世界纪录,此前的纪录由美国保持,直径为3.7米。这款固体火箭发动机将应用于我国快舟-21、快舟-31大推力 固体运载火箭,其中快舟-21近地轨道最大运载能力达20吨,快舟-31固体运载火箭近地轨道最大运载能力达70吨。这将会使商业发射成本进一步降低至 5000美元/千克,与当前国际主流价格2万美元至3万美元/千克相比,极具价格优势。

对 于此次融资,张镝认为对我国商业航天产业发展具有重大影响,是我国太空经济发展的新起点。他介绍,2017年年初,火箭公司启动了A轮股权融资工作,先后 与100余家投资机构进行了接洽和沟通。9月底,经中国航天科工集团有限公司批复同意,火箭公司A轮增资项目在上海联合产权交易所挂牌公告。经前期与投资 者竞争性谈判,最终确定了8家社会投资机构加入。

“像 这样面向社会机构公开募集资金,并且所募集资金含有部分民营社会资本,在航天科工集团,包括中国的航天领域,甚至整个军工行业都非常少见。而商业航天作为 军民融合产业的先行先试领域,以这么高溢价融资成功,说明投资界特别看好商业航天领域,也说明军民融合领域是一个宝藏。”张镝说,“本次增资不仅仅是一个 企业受到投资界的追捧,更重要的意义还在于落实党的十九大关于军民融合战略的具体行动,在我国军民融合商业模式创新中将起到典型示范作用,对我国商业航天 产业发展具有重大影响。这是一个好苗头,再往前走下去,相信整个军民融合领域会引发高科技产业的大爆发。”

张 镝表示,未来,航天科工火箭技术有限公司将继续深入贯彻落实军民融合战略,以建成商业航天“社会总体院、社会总体部、社会总装厂”为目标,按照社会化、市 场化的要求,加快产融结合,积极探索商业航天发展的新模式,将航天科工火箭技术有限公司打造成为商业航天发射服务的先行者、商业航天产业的开拓者、太空经 济发展的引领者,为实现我国航天强国梦想贡献力量。

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