Elephants Brutalized in Religious Ceremonies in India

[Dubious]

Ha,now you're talking like one of those Islamist (please note -islamist,not muslim ) sympathizers.I didn't meant that,though that is exactly what I meant.

No idea what you are trying to say to cover up the obvious butthurt attitude

 

[Imran Khan]

poor animals and the two legs animals aka humans

 

[gslv mk3]

No idea what you are trying to say to cover up the obvious butthurt attitude

Meh,get a life,and grow a brain.

 

[sherin616]

if that's actually the case, then fine, but any animal cruelty should be investigated.

You are a stupid churches too use elephant in festivals and don't go to blame muslims they also use elephants in kerala

 

[haviZsultan]

What no outcry ?

Elephants are protected under the law and resides in National Parks all over the country, however these elephant owners require permit to own an elephant, plus Elephant is a cultural symbol of Kerala.

We know how to conserve wildlife considering the Rich Biodiversity of India from Asiatic lions to Rhinos.


As for cow, it has nothing to do with Hindu or Muslim.

Majority of Indians 80% + can't tolerate Beef especially Sikh dominated Punjab.

So not only Hindus but Sikhs are also against Beef, also Christians have similar food habits like Hindus and according to their respective states.

Cow ban is against the secular fabric of the nation. It refuses to count the numerous hindus who do eat beef nor does it count the muslims and christians who are actually more liberal and less herbivorous in their eating habits. But Hindutvas have made it a thing of their izzat to ban, by force, slaughter of the cow. It is unfair to muslims as they are permitted to eat the cow, in fact have a festival revolving under the slaughter of a cow or goat. This takes this basic right away.

Also you talk about Sikhs but then if you ban beef for hindus its supposed to be a two way street. Why not then ban smoking for the Sikhs and pork for the muslims or are the Hindus given a monopoly over banning things they don't like? This law is only for one group, the Hindus and is thus deeply communal. Sikhs have also been demanding a separate law and marriage board. If you care about the sikhs so much why hasn't such lumping of Sikhs as Hindus not been done away with. Laws should be equal for all.

I would be more impressed if you Indians admitted the mistake and differential treatment towards cow and elephant because one is a hindu problem and the other a muslim. Isn't it evil to harm an elephant as it to harm a cow. Then why when one is a muslim matter (cow slaughter ban) do you act so angrily but do not have the same reaction with abuse of elephants which almost all Indians here are trying to cover up or ignore-as if it does not happen.

In your religion both animals are sacred. I think the situation is aggravated the moment their is a muslim or christian problem involved.

You're the one in denial,because you just choose to ignore the personal accounts of 4 Malayalis (Keralites).And you haven't ever been here- I don't even think you can point Kerala on a map.We Keralites now far more than some random Pakistani lady,from Lahore or something.Have you ever seen an Indian elephant ?

Stop complaining & enjoy the show-If that doesn't go against any of your beliefs,that is.

I don't want to discuss anything with a prejudiced Pakistani,desperate to play victim card at any moment.Bye

This site is for debate. If you think me and my family have played the victim card then you should prove how so because our Ansari side is one of the most Hindu respecting groups in the history of Muslims though also influential too in the past with the Muslim League. I really feel pity for Indians as they have a solid belief that whenever minorities seek their rights they are playing the victim card only making it harder for those minorities.

The moment criticism is meted out to Indians for their ways they deny, ignore and belittle. This is against the basic principles of debate as accepting national problems is the first way to solve them.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Elephants are taken care very well in Kerala.....But there are few cases otherwise, which are normally noted and taken care, both by govt agencies and also by activists.......

Elephants are an important part in our culture and our celebrations........there are activists who look at one side of the coin, and start saying everything is bad... .May be like going to dharavi and concluding entire mumbai is a slum.......Yes there is dharavi, but then that is a small percentage....

The relationship between mahout and the elephant is a very emotional one, and i have few experience which i will never forget in my life........... Most of them love their elephants like their children, and treat them like one......

But like in every profession, there are morons, who are drunkards and some time they assume themselves to be more powerful than the elephant since he listen to his orders...... Such guys are either thrown out of the profession or they are killed by the elephant itself...... These guys tend to forget that elephant is a wild animal.....

Over a period of time the authorities have put strict rules to avoid issues like OP.... and there are association for elephant owner's, they themselves take care of issues in case reported......

Elephant owners are rich guys, and they keep these elephants because they love them, they are part of their family and thats how they treat them...... I do not know how many knows there are Virat Kohli/Sachin tendulkar/Ronaldo/Woods kind of stars among elephants, For example, "Mangalamkunnu Karnan" "Thechikottukavu Ramachandran:" "Guruvayoor Valiya Keshavan" are the star elephants, in kerala, They have their star values like film stars and cricketers.......

The most important elephant owner's in kerala are the temple bodies..... for example, Guruvayoor temple has around 54 elephants with them, and they have a seperate department to take care of them..... and any one can go and see how they are taken care by buying a 5 rupee ticket...... and Normally those temples which own an elephant are rich ones, and they take care of them very well..... and not only that the devotees and elephant lovers contribute too......

I guess we should stop looking at the bad part and pass judgement, based on it..... At the same time, such bad treatments need to be highlighted so that the guilty one's are taken care and such issues do not repeat........



Dear Madam, I have seen few of your posts in this thread, Do not pass judgement based on looking at one part of the coin.....



There are these animal activists brigade, just like our street dog saga....... Most of them look for fame...... But one good part of them is, the real issues are not pushed under carpet, and they are reported with more than enough importance and such issues are addressed........

There are several new rules are put in place, of late and these rules are regularly amended..... None of us (mallus, be it hindu, muslim or christian) want to see an elephant suffering....... They are part of our culture and we as a community love them the most......

Elephant is part of Hindu temples too. Though not on the grander scale like in Kerala, but yes, I have seen how they are taken care of. The relationship btw Elephants and man is like baby and father.
Bad apples are going to be everywhere. But this article is like amplifying the bad part alone.

 

[sherin616]

When haters see thrissur puram they only see cruelty to elephants
They dont see the pond behind wall just for elephants
They don't see nos of trucks carrying palm leaves for elephant
They dont see 100's humans working behind scene to make sure elephants in the festival are treated well

She must be writing infront of ham or beef burger which were killed by tickeling

 

[cloud_9]

So the solution of u idiots is to butcher cows? Liberal logic - "Cows are pooping on streets so lets kill and eat them. And also, it is much tastier becoz cows are sacred in hinduism"
And 70 years of libtards rule has still not moved Indian Elephants from Endangered list?

Firstly,I'm not a liberal.
You lot believe cows are sacred but none of you fuckers dare to take the ones on the street home.If you take them to the Cow shelter,they take in the productive one and leave the old skinny ones on the road along with the fatherly bulls to kill people in road accidents.

 

[Iggy]

@Akheilos Indians are deliberately hypocritical. Uniting when the cow is slaughtered by some poor muslim but turning a blind eye to the mistreatment of an like elephant with even a deity for it named Ganesh. This shows the double standards present in Indian society and the purposeful stigmatization of Muslims. When we shoot a monkey we are not only fined but jailed but since Hindus themselves are involved in harassing elephants this is a no go area.

Who said India doesn't have its religious chauvinism? If its not visible in suicide bombings it is visible in lynching a muslim for cow slaughter. Akbaruddin was absolutely right when he said that you say the cow is your mother then why do you sell the cow knowing it will be slaughtered. Hindus are themselves responsible for some of the worst animal rights abuses but are united over stopping slaughter of cows only to eat them, even for muslims who are told to eat all that is lawfully available to them. Secularism in India died the moment Gandhi was shot.

Indians like to act they are pluralistic and respect other religions. Everything I have seen negates this however.

Barking at the wrong tree ladyy

 

[nair]

@Akheilos Indians are deliberately hypocritical. Uniting when the cow is slaughtered by some poor muslim but turning a blind eye to the mistreatment of an like elephant with even a deity for it named Ganesh. This shows the double standards present in Indian society and the purposeful stigmatization of Muslims. When we shoot a monkey we are not only fined but jailed but since Hindus themselves are involved in harassing elephants this is a no go area

If you do not know the subject in detail, then the best you can do is to stop commenting on it.... Becuse if you do there are all the chances that you make a fool out of yourself......You seems to have a comprehension issue (on this thread) because your blind hatred and your lucknowi love has turned your eye to a jaundiced one........ There are 4 guys here trying to help you by explaining the situation.......All of them have been living in this place for their entire life and have seen what happening from their child hood...... And you are here to passing judgement based on your hatred......... (You can read my posts in this thread to learn my position on this topic)

You say Indians are hypocritical...... You know what is hypocritical in this context????? Crocodile tears for an animal for getting beaten(which is absoulutely right as no one has the right to beat an animal) and the next moment, enjoying a delicious kebab of an another animal.......

Barking at the wrong tree ladyy

He is not a lady for your info.....

 

[Stephen Cohen]

The traditions of using elephants will continue

That will NOT stop

What can be done is make the living and working conditions better for the Elephants

 

[Iggy]

Why is the chicken paraded around for religious purposes? Is it beaten?

Your comparison is beyond unreasonable! Even if you were going to eat the elephant who chains it until its feet blister?

No wonder you guys choose to be vegetarian you have no respect for animals (based on your comparison of what you would do to a chicken before eating)!

Nowthe true color is coming out.. its not about the animal, its all about religion.. who said I am vegetarian? Go have some more chicken tandoori and moan about animal cruelty..

 

[nair]

The traditions of using elephants will continue

That will NOT stop

What can be done is make the living and working conditions better for the Elephants

The rules are being upgraded or amended constantly, Lot have been changed, A lot more to do......

 

[SrNair]

For food....and its not the same as beating them!

Beating is unacceptable be it for sport or religion...Sadly I see you are back to trolling!

Just to save face you are equating beating of elephants to having non veg which your own gods in human form hunted for deer - I dont think it was sport but to eat! No idea why you dont say they were brutal


Yes and we didnt deny it...We took it seriously and authority did take action...


Liking yes...but I beat none even if I am afraid of dogs I wont beat one nor will I stand for one being beaten! Even if we dont eat pigs we are not allowed to beat one!

I am talking about beating and all you can think about is eating one!


Do you want me to quote all the deniers on this thread?


you guys doesnt mean anyone in particular...didnt your English teacher teach you that or did you skip classes when that was the subject?

Trolling ?
I have asked you a genuine question .lady.
Beating ,of course bad .Killing not a problem .Strange logic !.
After all they are taking the God given lives of animals.

We have both non veg and veg in our tradition .We can accept all beliefs without any issues .We wont believe in 'holier than thou' attitude.

Sorry that was for our fellow keralite

Beating for sport or whatever reason is abuse...
Eating is not abusive...I mean if you beat my chicken before you slaughter it I would protest! Plus we arent the only ones that eats animal...However we are the only ones who inflict pain on them for sport or even as far as calling it religious in the case of this article!


There is no holier than thou attitude as my stand has been from the beginning about animal inflicted with pain! You on the other hand can only view it as save india and indian culture forget about the abusers and how much the animal suffers!

Wait a minute.You are saying that we are beating for sport.What sport?
Elephants behaves badly sometimes and their mahout may punish them sometimes like their own children.Infact some times it may become abusive and I already explained what would happen in such cases in my previous post..
Any living things suffer huge pain at the moment they lost their life.Be it hhuman or chicken.I dont think you knows a lot about butcher shop or slaughtering Right?
Are you sure about the animals you eats during celebration days ?

Of Course I can understand from ones opinion whether he/she genuinely cconcerns or not.

 

[haviZsultan]

If you do not know the subject in detail, then the best you can do is to stop commenting on it.... Becuse if you do there are all the chances that you make a fool out of yourself......

Why are you so covering up the problem. Is it because elephant rearing and beating is more of a Keralite or mallu problem?

I remember flicking through the channels in my youth while in Lucknow and noted that there was an entire movie on the elephant tusks being imported by arabs or rather muslims. Sheikh Zayed the ruler of the UAE was a villain in this movie. But then in India elephants are beaten and abused by Hindus but that doesn't raise eyebrows. As I said India is deeply polarized between Hindu and Muslim. If a muslim does something wrong all hell breaks loose but when a Hindu does it the reaction is mum.

You seems to have a comprehension issue (on this thread) because your blind hatred and your lucknowi love has turned your eye to a jaundiced one........ There are 4 guys here trying to help you by explaining the situation......

All guys are involved in purposely covering up the problem, denying it exists... rather than accept it and work to resolve it. That is the first step to solving the problem but Indians are locked in a belief of their superiority and thus never admit they are wrong.

.All of them have been living in this place for their entire life and have seen what happening from their child hood...... And you are here to passing judgement based on your hatred......... (You can read my posts in this thread to learn my position on this topic)

So you are arguing that you mallus cannot harm animals? As I said in my first post the best option for all animals would be to be raised by animal specialists not temple authorities who barely know how to treat them. Our own area in Lucknow is filled with dogs and cows and the rooftops dominated by monkeys. They are pests. People cannot even pass the narrow streets because of these animals. They belong to pens and cages or with trained professionals who can give them the love and care they need.

Personally I don't have a love of the elephant as such but am committed to showing the differential treatment for muslim and hindu. I have done so vividly.

You say Indians are hypocritical...... You know what is hypocritical in this context????? Crocodile tears for an animal for getting beaten(which is absoulutely right as no one has the right to beat an animal) and the next moment, enjoying a delicious kebab of an another animal.......

Why do the Indians look down at muslims eating meat? Its their choice and their right. Many mallus eat these delicious kebabs too. So aren't they hypocritical as they eat meat yet shout for the protection of the cow?

He is not a lady for your info.....