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[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

The protests failed, badly.

No failed..Pissi junta army fighting with MB in wrong methods..Currently MB is very popular than all time ever..fighting against an popular idea and cause with arms and massive killings will make that idea more powerful..this situation was proven in history countless times..An ideas or cause can be exterminaated only by an another alternative ideas..Bu as you know, creating an new idea and cause is most hard than all other works..

So, as long as you have no more superior idea than your rivals you are doomed to lose. there is no alternative idea to be rival against MB not only in Egypt even in arab world.. After coup MB known more widely and became more popular in Egypt and arround world..The most powerful rival for MB was KSA backed Salafi pary Al Nour not Liberals and Laics..But upon Al Nour party supported the coup they have lost a great credibility and missed millions supporters.

Now, MB become unrivalled thanks to bird brianed junta staffs..indeed, MB was not expecting topple of Mobarak regime so quickly was not ready to administrate Egypt..Appearently their staffs were some imcompetent to rule EGypt..they would be failed and lost the next election due to an possible mismanagement if they have been allowed to rule country untill next election. Yet, Junta made an crucial mistake in favour of MB..

 

[Frogman]

No failed..Pissi junta army fighting with MB in wrong methods..Currently MB is very popular than all time ever..fighting against an popular idea and cause with arms and massive killings will make that idea more powerful..this situation was proven in history countless times..An ideas or cause can be exterminaated only by an another alternative ideas..Bu as you know, creating an new idea and cause is most hard than all other works..

So, as long as you have no more superior idea than your rivals you are doomed to lose. there is no alternative idea to be rival against MB not only in Egypt even in arab world.. After coup MB known more widely and became more popular in Egypt and arround world..The most powerful rival for MB was KSA backed Salafi pary Al Nour not Liberals and Laics..But upon Al Nour party supported the coup they have lost a great credibility and missed millions supporters.

Now, MB become unrivalled thanks to bird brianed junta staffs..indeed, MB was not expecting topple of Mobarak regime so quickly was not ready to administrate Egypt..Appearently their staffs were some imcompetent to rule EGypt..they would be failed and lost the next election due to an possible mismanagement if they have been allowed to rule country untill next election. Yet, Junta made an crucial mistake in favour of MB..

You have no idea what you're talking about, so please spare me the cruelty of a reply.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Al-Qaeda Declares War on the Egyptian Army in an Audio Recording... More Violence Coming to Egypt?


Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, a leader in al-Qaeda's "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL), has made a statement in which he calls all those like-minded Wahhabis to join in fighting against the Egyptian Army, which he considers as infidel and a tool that protects the tyrants and minorities. Al-Adnani also attacked both the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the Egyptian Salafi al-Noor party for being too peaceful and not resorting to violence, the way his group operates.


Al-Qaeda Declares War on the Egyptian Army in an Audio Recording... More Violence Coming to Egypt? - YouTube

 

[Solomon2]

Brotherhood 'Anti-Violence Movement' Condemns Leaders

The blood from members of the Muslim Brotherhood and supporters of deposed Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi stain the floor near a poster of Morsi which reads "Yes to legitimacy, No to the coup" at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, near their campsite at Rabia al-Adawiya square, in Nasr city area, east of Cairo, July 28, 2013. (photo by REUTERS/Amr Abdallah Dalsh)​

By: Mustafa Amara Translated from Azzaman (Iraq).[August 30, 2013]

The most significant outcome of the recent clashes that erupted between the Egyptian authorities and the Muslim Brotherhood is the emergence of the Brothers Without Violence movement, which aims to correct the mistakes committed by Muslim Brotherhood leaders. These mistakes have led to a decline in the popularity of the group as well as to security attacks. In this context, Azzaman interviewed Hussein Abdel Rahman, the media spokesman for the Brothers Without Violence movement, and asked him about his take on the current developments.

Azzaman: When and how was the Brothers Without Violence movement established, and is this movement a substitute for the Muslim Brotherhood?

Abdel Rahman: The Brothers Without Violence movement was born during the events at the Republican Guard headquarters, when Muslim Brotherhood leaders’ incited protesters in front of the headquarters, leading to 53 deaths. This massacre created a desire among some of the group’s youth in Cairo and other governorates to reconsider their path and get rid of the leaders of the militant group who follow Qutbism. The fact is that those leaders made mistakes that led to the decline of the group’s image among the public, and made people perceive it as a terrorist group, especially following the Rabia al-Adawiya sit-in. Yet still, we do not consider ourselves to be a substitute for the group, but we are a corrective movement that emerged from the group. We still believe in the legitimacy of President Mohammed Morsi and are trying to express our opinions in a peaceful manner.

Azzaman: Being among those who participated in the events at the Republican Guard headquarters, who do you think is responsible for the massacre that occurred there?

Abdel Rahman: Both parties share responsibility. The leaders had incited [the protesters] to go to the Republican Guard headquarters and provoked the security forces. In contrast, there was a profusion of violence on the part of the republican guard forces against the demonstrators. Live rounds were used without firing warning shots, which led to the death of 53 people, while the guards only lost one officer.

Azzaman: Does the emergence of the Brothers Without Violence movement mean that the old form of the group will change with the appearance of a new generation of young people, who embrace new ideas that fit the current developments?

Abdel Rahman: I think that this needs at least 10 years, but we have succeeded in some things such as the withdrawal of confidence from the provincial secretaries.

Azzaman: What do you think of the current campaign waged by some political forces in a bid to remove the Muslim Brotherhood from the political scene?

Abdel Rahman: Although the image of the Muslim Brotherhood has been shaken in the street as a result of the recent events, the group should not be excluded because it is an integral part of the fabric of society. The best solution is to prosecute the leaders who are responsible for the acts of violence. As for the random arrests that are collectively made against members of the group, these are unacceptable because they are contrary to the law and a reproduction of the former regime that practiced unlawful arrests.

Azzaman: What is your position on the army’s call for dialogue, knowing that this army resorted to violence?

Abdel Rahman: We do not reject the army’s call, but the Muslim Brotherhood must be prepared for this dialogue to succeed, [and the authorities can do this] by releasing the detainees and correcting the mistakes committed by the military leadership. The military encroached upon the will of the people on June 30 and demanded early presidential elections as well as the abolition of a constitution upon which a referendum was held. Had it not been for these mistakes, there would not have been bloodshed.

Azzaman: What is your position on the Free Brothers’ movement?

Abdel Rahman: The Free Brothers’ movement is a branch of the Brothers Without Violence movement. We fall under the same category, and we are trying to calm the situation and engage in a national dialogue based on certain grounds that require admitting mistakes were made, for this dialogue to succeed.

Azzaman: Based on your participation in the Rabia al-Adawiya sit-in, what is the validity of the government’s charges against protesters of possessing weapons and the claims that non-Egyptian nationals participated in the protest?

Abdel Rahman: There were indeed some heavy weapons and other types of weapons, and people from other nationalities participated in the sit-in based on the fact that they were members of the international Muslim Brotherhood, but there were double standards in dealing with the protesters. The Tahrir protests continued for six months and included attacks on the police. Yet still, no one moved.

Azzaman: Are you in contact with the other movements that are part of the political arena?

Abdel Rahman: Yes, we communicate with Tamarod and some other movements — such as the April 6 movement led by Ahmed Maher — as we have common grounds. But we have reservations about the dialogue with the National Salvation Front, which is calling for our exclusion and for the arrest of Muslim Brotherhood youth, as they call for dialogue. What kind of dialogue are they calling for in such an atmosphere?

Azzaman: What is your position on participating in the presidential election?

Abdel Rahman: We must be realistic. Although we believe in the legitimacy of President Morsi, the practical reality asserts the opposite. Therefore, if we do not deal flexibly with the current reality and if the group insists on violence, then we'll forget everything.

Azzaman: What is the impact of the arrest of Muslim Brotherhood leaders, most notably Supreme Guide Mohammed Badie, on the work of the group in the next stage?

Abdel Rahman: The arrest of the group's leaders, including the current leader, will not affect the Muslim Brotherhood’s work. According to the dynamics of the group, if the first-row leaders are arrested, their prerogatives are reassigned to the second-row leaders. And each and every one of those leaders has five substitutes. Therefore, the arrest of those leaders will only result in a moral effect.

Azzaman: There are conflicting reports about the whereabouts of Muslim Brotherhood leader Mahmoud Ezzat, where is he now? Will his nomination [as interim supreme guide] lead to more extremism as far as the position of the group is concerned?

Abdel Rahman: No one knows where he is and whether he is in Egypt or Gaza — as reported by some media outlets. Ezzat’s position is more extreme because he belongs to the Qutbist current, and he will work during the next phase to confuse the political scene through the use of violence and the continuation of marches and demonstrations.

Azzaman: Former Muslim Brotherhood leader Hamdi Hassan downplayed the importance of the Brothers Without Violence movement in an interview we conducted with him, and questioned the subordination of that movement to the state security apparatus, what is your response?

Abdel Rahman: I would like to recall here what [former Supreme Guide] Badie said during the sit-in at Rabia al-Adawiya square: There are some Muslim Brotherhood youth who must be controlled. We are proud of their affiliation with the Muslim Brotherhood, which follows a moderate Islamist ideology, while some leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood renounce their belonging to it.

Azzaman: What is your take on the release of former President Hosni Mubarak?

Abdel Rahman: The current regime is relapsing and resorting to the former one. The current minister of transport is responsible for the train accident that occured in Upper Egypt during Mubarak’s era. There are many remnants of the former regime in the current government, and they will be even more oppressive.

Azzaman: Amid persisting violence in the Sinai against the army and the police, some people are accusing Muslim Brotherhood leaders, mainly Mohamed Beltagy and Ezzat, of being involved in those incidents. Are these claims valid?

Abdel Rahman: The international organization of the Muslim Brotherhood earmarked a sum of $250 million to fund some jihadist movements in the Sinai, like al-Gama'a al-Islamiya and the Salah al-Dine Brigades, and supply them with arms sometimes to conduct acts of violence against the army and the police. Unfortunately, some are accusing Muslim Brotherhood youth of committing these acts, but it is not true. They are innocent of such acts that are caused by some leaders who have adopted the approach of Sayyid Qutb, such as Essam al-Aryan, Safwat Hegazi and Tarek al-Zomor. As for Badie, he did not manage any recent acts; Ezzat is actually the current mastermind of the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

[agentny17]

The Egyptian Renaissance &The End of the Muslim Brotherhood

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

The Egyptian Renaissance &The End of the Muslim Brotherhood

Welcome to the 2nd revolution
Mission accomplished

 

[hussain0216]

The mission to take back Egypt from the liberals, army and christians has only begun

The muslims will do in Egypt what they have done to assad in syria

 

[Frogman]

Egypt's Minister Mohammed Ibrahim survives bomb attack

Egypt's Interior Minister Mohammed Ibrahim has survived a car bomb attack that targeted his convoy in Cairo.

Hours after the blast, he appeared on state-run TV to denounce the attack as a "cowardly assassination bid".

Many guards were injured, he added, after a bomb "exploded at a distance" as his convoy was en route from his home in Nasr City to the ministry.

Nasr City is a stronghold of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood group, but there is no word on who was involved.

The explosion took place at about 10:30 local time (08:30 GMT) near Mr Ibrahim's home on Mustafa al-Nahas street.

There are conflicting reports over the source of the explosion, with state-run Mena news agency saying a booby-trapped car detonated as the minister's convoy passed by.

However, state TV gave a different account of the incident, saying an explosive device was thrown from the top of a nearby building and detonated near the minister's convoy just after it left his place of residence.

Pictures uploaded to the internet by witnesses showed substantial damage to a building next to the blast.

Egyptian police have reportedly killed two of the attackers, security sources told Reuters news agency.

The Egyptian interior ministry says an attempt to assassinate the minister of the interior by "terrorist groups" was foiled. They say his guards confronted the attackers.

The interior minister is in charge of the country's police force, which alongside security forces, carried out a deadly security crackdown in the capital last month, clearing two protest camps set up by Muslim Brotherhood supporters of ousted President Mohammed Morsi.

They had rallied for six weeks demanding the reinstatement of Mr Morsi, who was deposed by the military two months ago following anti-government protests by millions of Egyptians.

Nasr City was the site of the larger of the two protest camps based outside Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque, which was dismantled in the security operation that killed hundreds of Brotherhood supporters on 14 August.

The BBC's Bethany Bell says there has been a lot of Muslim Brotherhood activity in the area over the last couple of weeks.

Since the security clampdown, hundreds of Brotherhood supporters have been detained, including the group's most senior leader, Mohammed Badie, and his deputy, Khairat al-Shatir.

Mr Morsi is currently being held in a secret location awaiting trial on charges of inciting murder during anti-government protests that occurred in December 2012.

BBC News - Egypt's Minister Mohammed Ibrahim survives bomb attack

 

[Falcon29]

Frogman, what'd you expect? After targeting MB members, arresting and torturing them. Killing unarmed protesters. Killing the children of MB members. Having a very dictatorial policy censoring all media you don't like, hundreds of channels. Even trying to tackle social media. Being hypocrites and supporting a 'Tamarod' group against the ruling government and in reality they are a splinter group for the Egyptian military had they tried 'peacefully' protesting what they call 'dictators', whom they say so when referring to Hamas in Gaza. Lets see them protest against an actual dictatorial government which is sitting right with them in Egypt. The army has become disgusting, it only serves the elites interest. They don't care for their population outside cities they favor. If any Egyptians whom Gaza has sheltered try any stupid attempt to overthrow the government because all they care for is serving the Egyptian and Israeli military interest and they are literally hired by Egyptians we're gonna fuvkin kick your ***** and kick every piece of **** Egyptian out of our land. You're only good at bombing your own villagers with F16's and drones and helicopters. I would like to see this hypocritical group try opening their mouths against the oppressive Egyptian military. They'd be tortured or killed right away. They're lucky Hamas is being patient with a unrealistic group which own cares to serve its own interests and doesn't have actual numbers in Gaza and aren't even Palestinian. Only a facebook group and a group from Egypt which only cares about its money, which is way their trying to expand their group elsewhere under the disguise of fighting 'dictators'. Egyptian stupid group better not stick it's nose in Gaza. People who serve Israel never succeed in Gaza. We are ALL against YOU.

 

[Frogman]

@Hazzy997

Calm down. Once you do that we can have a rational conversation about all the issues you have brought up.

 

[hussain0216]

The egyptian military and fake government are killers and ******'s...

For the sake of the people of Egypt and the middle east assad, arab kings, military junta's and liberal puppets of all types need to be removed so our countries can move forward

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Frogman, what'd you expect? After targeting MB members, arresting and torturing them. Killing unarmed protesters. Killing the children of MB members. Having a very dictatorial policy censoring all media you don't like, hundreds of channels. Even trying to tackle social media. Being hypocrites and supporting a 'Tamarod' group against the ruling government and in reality they are a splinter group for the Egyptian military had they tried 'peacefully' protesting what they call 'dictators', whom they say so when referring to Hamas in Gaza. Lets see them protest against an actual dictatorial government which is sitting right with them in Egypt. The army has become disgusting, it only serves the elites interest. They don't care for their population outside cities they favor. If any Egyptians whom Gaza has sheltered try any stupid attempt to overthrow the government because all they care for is serving the Egyptian and Israeli military interest and they are literally hired by Egyptians we're gonna fuvkin kick your ***** and kick every piece of **** Egyptian out of our land. You're only good at bombing your own villagers with F16's and drones and helicopters. I would like to see this hypocritical group try opening their mouths against the oppressive Egyptian military. They'd be tortured or killed right away. They're lucky Hamas is being patient with a unrealistic group which own cares to serve its own interests and doesn't have actual numbers in Gaza and aren't even Palestinian. Only a facebook group and a group from Egypt which only cares about its money, which is way their trying to expand their group elsewhere under the disguise of fighting 'dictators'. Egyptian stupid group better not stick it's nose in Gaza. People who serve Israel never succeed in Gaza. We are ALL against YOU.

it doesnt matter what you want your terrorist friends will be out of Egypt they belong to fucked up places like gaza

The egyptian military and fake government are killers and ******'s...

For the sake of the people of Egypt and the middle east assad, arab kings, military junta's and liberal puppets of all types need to be removed so our countries can move forward

and you should continue your jihad from the UK like a *****

to all brotherhood supporters
go **** yourself

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

a kid has lost his leg

 

[Ceylal]

Frogman, what'd you expect? After targeting MB members, arresting and torturing them. Killing unarmed protesters. Killing the children of MB members. Having a very dictatorial policy censoring all media you don't like, hundreds of channels. Even trying to tackle social media. Being hypocrites and supporting a 'Tamarod' group against the ruling government and in reality they are a splinter group for the Egyptian military had they tried 'peacefully' protesting what they call 'dictators', whom they say so when referring to Hamas in Gaza. Lets see them protest against an actual dictatorial government which is sitting right with them in Egypt. The army has become disgusting, it only serves the elites interest. They don't care for their population outside cities they favor. If any Egyptians whom Gaza has sheltered try any stupid attempt to overthrow the government because all they care for is serving the Egyptian and Israeli military interest and they are literally hired by Egyptians we're gonna fuvkin kick your ***** and kick every piece of **** Egyptian out of our land. You're only good at bombing your own villagers with F16's and drones and helicopters. I would like to see this hypocritical group try opening their mouths against the oppressive Egyptian military. They'd be tortured or killed right away. They're lucky Hamas is being patient with a unrealistic group which own cares to serve its own interests and doesn't have actual numbers in Gaza and aren't even Palestinian. Only a facebook group and a group from Egypt which only cares about its money, which is way their trying to expand their group elsewhere under the disguise of fighting 'dictators'. Egyptian stupid group better not stick it's nose in Gaza. People who serve Israel never succeed in Gaza. We are ALL against YOU.

Hazzy don't you think that you are directing your anger to the wrong direction?

Political Islam, the end of a big lie

 

[islamrules]

Inside Job . Pissi never learns .