Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

[MooshMoosh]

Muslims want shariah and it would come either peacefully or through bloodbath but it would come

Apparently from what I have heard that there was a recent threat from armed bediouns from Sinai, Egyptian
Islamic Jihad and other Islamist supporters. Firstly, electing a Christian as an interim minister was an insult for them. Secondly, the recent attack in Alexandria and Cairo where seculars were assaulting women and attacking Mosques while others praying reminded them of the dark days of Mubarak that feared the seculars would be like him when elected. When Morsi refused to step down, he knew he was going to get ousted because in order to get him ousted, it will lead to an armed conflict between supporters and opponents and the army defense chief knew also before the coup he said he will defend Egypt from terrorist and ignorance. The people are still excited but they shouldn't because it's not over yet and they may be deaf and blind for not hearing the serious threats via social sites and media coming from the supporters after the coup. I blame the opposition for causing choas in streets like attacking mosques and hurting supporters for being 'over excited'. This may sound like what happened in the Algerian civil war but this one is different.

 

[Imran Khan]

they need one sou mouto factory as we have

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

When the Taksim protests errupted by sponsorship of West media in Istanbul, EU leading governments and USA constantly were slaming Turkey in hardest tone for using water cannons and tear gas againist protestors. They branded police intervention as horrible, terrible and soon..

Now, West world is acclaiming military coup of Juntas against an democratically elected govertnment by majority of people. and accept no violation of prenciples of democracy and human rights..

West wolrd will have no influnce in the world when they lost entire of their champion role of democracy and freedom..

They wasting their credibility due to their hypociritical policies toward the rest of world.

 

[Developereo]

This all started with that one Tunisian street vendor who set himself on fire (God rest his soul) after we had the Arab Spring, Bahrain, Syria and Egypt is going round and round in circles when will all this end?? is this the start of the end times? the Kaliyuga and the likes?

The turmoil in Egypt will not end until a new puppet (Mubarak #2) is installed.

The army and their Saudi/US backers just moved a piece into place.

 

[Yeti]

The turmoil in Egypt will not end until a new puppet (Mubarak #2) is installed.

The army and their Saudi/US backers just moved a piece into place.

What was the whole point of this merry go round if we back to square one? just makes no sense to me anymore all this

 

[Anees]

1) Today Egypt , Next Who ????

2) Now People Have Two Choice Democracy Or Sharia ???

 

[Developereo]

What was the whole point of this merry go round if we back to square one? just makes no sense to me anymore all this

Mubarak was a ruthless tyrant, a thug who stole billions from the Egyptian nation, but a useful ally for the Saudis and Americans. Do you really think they would let go of such a useful chess piece?

Their stooge was ousted by the Egyptian people, so a suitable drama had to be engineered to install a new puppet. There is always a sore bunch of losers who don't like the result of democratic elections, and they can be encouraged to throw loud public tantrums as cover for the puppet reinstatement.

P.S. It's a birthday present from the servant (Egyptian army) to their master and benefactor. At least some Saudis are honest enough to admit that all this is not about what the Egyptians want, but what the Saudis (and their Western allies) want.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...ngratulates-egypts-new-interim-president.html

 

[Yeti]

Mubarak was a ruthless tyrant, a thug who stole billions from the Egyptian nation, but a useful ally for the Saudis and Americans. Do you really think they would let go of such a useful chess piece?

Their stooge was ousted by the Egyptian people, so a suitable drama had to be engineered to install a new puppet. There is always a sore bunch of losers who don't like the result of democratic elections, and they can be encouraged to throw loud public tantrums as cover for the puppet reinstatement.

Morsi got 52% of the votes right? so he won the election fair and square. After he won some people and those in the military were unhappy about his leadership when it came to running the economy not to mention the constitution having religious bits added to it.

What I want to know is from Morsi getting 52% of the vote has a certain % of his supporters deserted him and moved to the opposition? does he still have the majority of support in Egypt? this is what I am unclear about.

 

[Developereo]

Morsi got 52% of the votes right? so he won the election fair and square. After he won some people and those in the military were unhappy about his leadership when it came to running the economy not to mention the constitution having religious bits added to it.

What I want to know is from Morsi getting 52% of the vote has a certain % of his supporters deserted him and moved to the opposition? does he still have the majority of support in Egypt? this is what I am unclear about.

I don't know the procedure in the Egyptian Constitution, but this is surely not the way to address it. In other countries, you can call for a vote of no-confidence, impeachment, new elections, etc -- NOT the army to take over.

Most democratic elections are won with narrow margins -- what was Obama's or G.W.'s margin? The losing side is usually livid -- the narrower the margin, the more livid. But it doesn't mean the army should take over and suspend the constitution, just because the losers threw a loud enough tantrum.

 

[Yeti]

I don't know the procedure in the Egyptian Constitution, but this is surely not the way to address it.

Most democratic elections are won with narrow margins -- what was Obama's or G.W.'s margin? The losing side is usually livid -- the narrower the margin, the more livid. But it doesn't mean the army should take over and suspend the constitution, just because the losers threw a loud enough tantrum.

My view is that there should be a national referendum on what the people want in the constitution for the country and after for a free and transparent election to take place. The most important part is that the winner whomever may that be gets to finish their term in office without threats or civil unrest, if people are unhappy about his performance they can always vote him out in the next election that is what democracy is.

 

[Developereo]

My view is that there should be a national referendum on what the people want in the constitution for the country and after for a free and transparent election to take place. The most important part is that the winner whomever may that be gets to finish their term in office without threats or civil unrest, if people are unhappy about his performance they can always vote him out in the next election that is what democracy is.

That would be ideal, but this is not about the ideal world.

This is a strong message to the rest of the Arab world: play around all you want with democracy, but the result must be acceptable to the powers that be.

It's a twist on the old joke, "the accused will be given a fair trial before being hanged".

 

[Juice]

A christian minority of Egypt- what about it?-

When talking of minority rights he meant them.....not sunni-shia thing.

Mubarak was a ruthless tyrant, a thug who stole billions from the Egyptian nation, but a useful ally for the Saudis and Americans. Do you really think they would let go of such a useful chess piece?

Their stooge was ousted by the Egyptian people, so a suitable drama had to be engineered to install a new puppet. There is always a sore bunch of losers who don't like the result of democratic elections, and they can be encouraged to throw loud public tantrums as cover for the puppet reinstatement.

P.S. It's a birthday present from the servant (Egyptian army) to their master and benefactor. At least some Saudis are honest enough to admit that all this is not about what the Egyptians want, but what the Saudis (and their Western allies) want.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...ngratulates-egypts-new-interim-president.html

Yeah.....Americans Jooos and Saudis were there forcing those people into the street.....

 

[Developereo]

Yeah.....Americans Jooos and Saudis were there forcing those people into the street.....

The Egyptian media is dominated by the pro-Western crowd.

Anyone who supports Morsi is described as an "Islamist". Anyone who opposes him is shown as a patriot.

If the Egyptian media were dominated by the other side, they would have portrayed the demonstrators as anti-democracy, Mubarak loyalists.

 

[iranigirl2]

Morsi has done many things that if obama ever have done would have been impeached by the american congress .

1) Morsi mobs sieged egypt constitutional court for 4 weeks to force them to take a court ruling meeting their agenda
2) Morsi mobs attacked and terrorized minorities and other muslims for carrying a different political belief .
3) Morsi created a constitution without a national consensus that only met his party interests and used bribery and terrorism during voting date to pass his racist constitution which would have turned Egypt into another afghanistan
4) Morsi decided to appoint one of his allies as Egypt highest prosecutor so that he could use him in detaining all his political opponents and one example was Bassem yousef who was arrested more than once for criticizing morsi policies.
5) Morsi mobs wanted to reduce legal marriage age in Egypt from 18 to 10 years.
6) Morsi appointed an Egyptian terrorist as the governor of assiyut , a person who killed 122 foreign tourists in Egypt during the 1990s .
7) Morsi one sided policies ruined the Egyptian economy and made foreign investors and tourists escape egypt for good.

I can keep going on and on but I am sure if the USA had a clown president like morsi he would not even survive a day in office.



Political Islam is coming to an end in Egypt .




Dont spam this page with Iran conflicts with USA , most of the Americans were against morsi including the congress , Obama has his own flawed foreign policy that neither the US Army or congress agree with.

Egyptians are fighting for a free country and not a rogue state .

All the pictures are from Egypt, and it's important to know what Egyptians think about USA interference in their country. But you know,your sick obsession with my country doesn't let you think straight and you just had to drag Iran into discussion.

If there is freedom of expression in Egypt, they should feel free to express their ideas about USA interference and huge large amount of money it gives to Egypt. How does this constitute a rogue state.

 

[Harmonia Dragon]

AshSham, Iraq, Egypt, Kuwait

Narrated from Ka'b bin Alqama : "There will be, after the Fitna (trouble) in AshSham, an eastern one (Fitna) which will be the devastation of the kings and the humiliation of the Arabs, until the people of the Maghrib come out." (Nuaim bin Hammad, Kitab al-Fitan, No. 53)



The people of AsSham (Greater Syria) will take prisoner the tribes of Egypt. (Ibn Hajar Haytahami, Al-Qawl Al-Mukhtasar fi Alamat Al-Mahdi Al-Muntazar, p. 49)



Ibn Hajr Al-'Asqalani narrated that Abu Idris Al-Khaulani heard from Nahik bin Surim Al-Sakuni that the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad, صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "You will fight the unbelievers until the remnant of you fight on the River Jordan, you on the East of it and they on the West of it." (Ahmad)



The following narration seems to be about Kuwait or Israel: "And war in a country smaller than the end bone of the spinal cord, the World will gather for its sake, as if it is the richest nation in the world for which the world has gathered to feast around. Its leader will surrender the banner to the leader of all Evil, which will come from the furthest Western shores, then the beginning of the end as it wails to all the World to come to its aid. The leader will regain his throne and Iraq will be destroyed in the confrontation at the end of time. The leader of the tiny nation will fight the Army of the Mahdi, and the same tiny nation is again threatened with destruction because its leader is the cause of its corruption....the Mahdi orders his execution and the small bone returns to the main body again". (Qalda bin Zayd bin Baraka's Asma Masalik Li Ayyam Mahdi: Malik Li Kull id-Dunya Bi Amr Allah El-Malik)



Baghdad is destroyed by fire in the End Times...(Resalat Khuruj Al-Mahdi, vol. 3, p. 177)



Doomsday will not come until Iraq is attacked and innocent people in Iraq will seek shelter in AshSham. AshSham will be reconstructed and Iraq will be reconstructed. (Muntakhab Kanzul Ummal, vol. 5 p. 254)




Muslim bin Abi Bakra said that Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "Some of my people will settle on low-lying land, which they will call Al-Basra (this probably refers to Baghdad which was not established at the time of the Prophet), beside a river called Dajla (the Tigris) over which there is a bridge. Its people will be numerous and it will be one of the cities of immigrants. (or one of the cities of Muslims, according to the version of Ibn Yahya who reported from Abu Ma'mar). At the end of time, the descendants (people) of Qantura' (Turkic Mongolians) will come with broad faces and small eyes and land on the bank of the river. Its (Basra's) inhabitants will then split into three groups: one of them will follow cattle and (live in) the desert but they will perish, another of which will seek security arrangement for themselves (from the Turkic Mongolians) but they will perish, but a third will put their children behind their backs and fight the invaders, and they will be the martyrs." (Abu Dawud)



Anas bin Malik said that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: " O Anas, the people will settle down in cities, and one of them will be called Al-Basra or al-Busayra. If you should pass by it or enter it, avoid its salt-marshes, its Kilaa (vicinity in Basra), its marketplace, and the gate of its princes, and stay in its suburbs (or outskirts), because for it, there will be Khusf (landslide or the Earth will swallow up people), Qazf (bombardment, pelting with stones, Earth will throw out the dead people after they get buried ) and Rajf (tremor or earthquake), and there will be people who will spend the night in it and become apes and swine in the morning. (Abu Dawud) Al-Tibi commented that the Maskh is supposed to happen to those who do not believe in Qadar." (Abu Dawud)



"The people of Kufa will be divided into three groups (or parties). One group will join the Sufyani army. These are the most wicked people Allah created. Another group will wage war against them, and these people are the honorable servants of Allah. Another group will join the pillagers, and they are sinners." (An-Najmu Athaqib Fi Bayan Aal Al-Mahdi min Awlad Ali Bin Abi Talib)



According to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم , "The people of Iraq will be divided into three groups. One part will join the looters. One group will flee, leaving their families behind. And one group will fight and kill. Prepare yourselves for Doomsday when you see this." (Faraid Fawaid Fikr fi Imam al-Mahdi al-Muntazhar)



"The tribulation in AshSham (Greater Syria) will calm down on the one hand and flare up again on another. This corruption will not end until an angel from the sky calls: 'The Mahdi is your leader. The Mahdi is your caliph.'" (Risalat Khuruj al-Mahdi, p. 63)



Our Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: " There will be such troubles and calamities that nobody will be able to find a place of shelter. These woes will move around AshSham (Greater Syria), fall upon Iraq and tie the hands and feet of the Arabian Peninsula. A group of Muslims will fight against troubles in the steppes. Nobody will feel any sympathy for them or even say, 'Alas!' As they try to remedy their woes from one side, the woes will emerge again on the other side." (Muntakhab Kanz Al-Ummal, vol. 5, pp. 38-39)



‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏زُهَيْرُ بْنُ حَرْبٍ ‏ ‏وَعَلِيُّ بْنُ حُجْرٍ ‏ ‏وَاللَّفْظُ ‏ ‏لِزُهَيْرٍ ‏ ‏قَالَا حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏إِسْمَعِيلُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏الْجُرَيْرِيِّ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏أَبِي نَضْرَةَ ‏ ‏قَالَ ‏
‏كُنَّا عِنْدَ ‏ ‏جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏فَقَالَ يُوشِكُ أَهْلُ ‏ ‏الْعِرَاقِ ‏ ‏أَنْ لَا ‏ ‏يُجْبَى ‏ ‏إِلَيْهِمْ ‏ ‏قَفِيزٌ ‏ ‏وَلَا دِرْهَمٌ قُلْنَا مِنْ أَيْنَ ذَاكَ قَالَ مِنْ قِبَلِ ‏ ‏الْعَجَمِ ‏ ‏يَمْنَعُونَ ذَاكَ ثُمَّ قَالَ يُوشِكُ أَهْلُ ‏ ‏الشَّأْمِ ‏ ‏أَنْ لَا ‏ ‏يُجْبَى إِلَيْهِمْ دِينَارٌ وَلَا ‏ ‏مُدْيٌ ‏ ‏قُلْنَا مِنْ أَيْنَ ذَاكَ قَالَ مِنْ قِبَلِ ‏ ‏الرُّومِ ‏ ‏ثُمَّ سَكَتَ هُنَيَّةً ثُمَّ قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏يَكُونُ فِي آخِرِ أُمَّتِي خَلِيفَةٌ ‏ ‏يَحْثِي ‏ ‏الْمَالَ ‏ ‏حَثْيًا ‏ ‏لَا يَعُدُّهُ عَدَدًا قَالَ قُلْتُ ‏ ‏لِأَبِي نَضْرَةَ ‏ ‏وَأَبِي الْعَلَاءِ ‏ ‏أَتَرَيَانِ أَنَّهُ ‏ ‏عُمَرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ ‏ ‏فَقَالَاَ لَا

Abu Nadhrah says: "We were sitting in the company of Jaber bin Abdullah when he said: " Soon the people of Iraq will neither receive any food (grain) nor any money.' We asked, Why would such a thing happen? He replied: 'Because of the Al-Agam (Persians or Non-Arabs).' He then said: 'Soon the people of AshSham (Greater Syria) will neither receive any money nor grain.' We asked as to why this would happen. He replied: 'Because of the Romans.' Then he was silent a while and then said the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said 'there will be at the end of my nation a Caliph (possibly Al-Mahdi) who grabs money with his hands (and give it away) without counting it... ". (Sahih Muslim)



‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏عُبَيْدُ بْنُ يَعِيشَ ‏ ‏وَإِسْحَقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ ‏ ‏وَاللَّفْظُ ‏ ‏لِعُبَيْدٍ ‏ ‏قَالَا حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏يَحْيَى بْنُ آدَمَ بْنِ سُلَيْمَانَ ‏ ‏مَوْلَى ‏ ‏خَالِدِ بْنِ خَالِدٍ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏زُهَيْرٌ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏سُهَيْلِ بْنِ أَبِي صَالِحٍ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏أَبِيهِ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ ‏ ‏قَالَ ‏
‏قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏مَنَعَتْ ‏ ‏الْعِرَاقُ ‏ ‏دِرْهَمَهَا ‏ ‏وَقَفِيزَهَا ‏ ‏وَمَنَعَتْ ‏ ‏الشَّأْمُ ‏ ‏مُدْيَهَا ‏ ‏وَدِينَارَهَا وَمَنَعَتْ ‏ ‏مِصْرُ ‏ ‏إِرْدَبَّهَا ‏ ‏وَدِينَارَهَا وَعُدْتُمْ مِنْ حَيْثُ بَدَأْتُمْ وَعُدْتُمْ مِنْ حَيْثُ بَدَأْتُمْ وَعُدْتُمْ مِنْ حَيْثُ بَدَأْتُمْ شَهِدَ عَلَى ذَلِكَ لَحْمُ ‏ ‏أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ ‏ ‏وَدَمُه

Abu Huraira said that Allah's Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "Iraq will withhold its dirhams and qafiz; Syria will withhold its mudd and dinar and Egypt will withhold its irdab and dinar. You will return to that position from where you started. You will return to that position from where you started. The flesh and blood of Abu Huraira bears testimony to it." (Sahih Muslim)



There will be devastation all around the World. Ultimately, Egypt will also be ruined, but until Basra is destroyed, Egypt will remain secure. The destruction of Basra will be due to Iraq's destruction. Meanwhile, the downfall of Egypt will come with the drying up of the Nile... (Qurtubi, Mukhtasar Tazkirah, p. 530)



"When there comes to you a document from the East that will be read out to you as: "From the slave of Allah, 'Abdullah, Amir al-Mu'mineen (Prince of the Faithful Believers)," then await another document coming to you from the West that will be read out to you as: "From the slave of Allah, 'Abd-Rahman, Amir al-Mu'mineen (Prince of the Faithful Believers)." Then, by He (God) in whose hand is Huzayfa's soul, you will fight them near Al-Qantarah, and they will expel you far, far away from the land of Egypt and the land of AshSham, and an Arabian woman will be sold at the stairs of Damascus for twenty-five dirhams." (Nuaim bin Hammad, Kitab al-Fitan, No. 52)

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