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Egypt, and a secular Islamic world: Nudity, Niqab and Illusion.

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Today, I read what are possibly the most beautiful opening words of any essay or opinion piece ever. It went like this:

“When a woman is the sum total of her headscarf and hymen – that is, what’s on her head and what is between her legs – then nakedness and sex become weapons of political resistance.”

This comes from a powerful essay by Mona Eltahawy in the Guardian, called “Egypt’s Naked Blogger is a Bomb Aimed at the Patriarchs in Our Mind” (Eltahawy was recently sexually assaulted and beaten by police in Cairo’s Tahrir Square, her left hand and right arm broken by the force of their blows).

The background is that a young woman blogger in Egypt posted a photograph of herself, naked, as a symbol of resistance against the patriarchal conservative forces that are threatening to overwhelm Egypt in the post-Mubarak era.

The response has been incendiary; read it for yourself. But it proves that women’s bodies are still seen as public property, to be violated by soldiers, discussed and debated on by men as if they were the experts on women and their feelings, thoughts, sensations, inclinations. Our minds are seen as weak, unable to reason, to think for ourselves. Instead of believing that women have moral agency, we are seen as morally inferior in every way to men.

Is the real war against terrorism, or against patriarchy?

What men do to women on a daily basis, demeaning, insulting, patronizing, and physically and mentally hurting them, IS terrorism, plain and simple.

It reminds me of a news clip I saw several days ago, in which it was declared that Saudi Arabia might enact a new law in which women who are deemed to have “tempting eyes” and “tempting faces” would be forced to cover them up.

Why?

Because one of the men behind this bill saw a woman with “tempting eyes”, felt attracted to her, and ended up having a fight with her husband. Then he stabbed the man in the hand. The logical conclusion was that the woman who tempted him with her eyes was at fault, so such eyes can and should be hidden away from view.

I brought this up on Twitter, adding my own comment that perhaps it was the men who should be covered up instead of the women, so that they couldn’t see the tempting eyes, faces, hands, and perhaps the entire existence of women on this planet to avoid being tempted by them.

A young man decided to take up this argument with me, accusing me of being against women choosing the hijab and niqab of their own free will. He said he was sure that the majority of women who take up these coverings do it voluntarily. I decided to respond by asking this man if he would consent to covering himself up to avoid arousing the lust of homosexual men. He wouldn’t answer.

My point: why do men believe women are so willing to choose the bars of their prison so happily?

What justifications have taken place in their mind to make them believe that women are not coerced into wearing the veil? After all, coercion takes many forms: Legal. Physical. Mental. Emotional. Social. Many people use blackmail to convince women to wear hijab or niqab: you won’t be a good Muslim, you’ll go to hell, you’re pleasing God, you’ll be subject to harassment and molestation if you go outside without a veil. By playing on women’s vulnerabilities, by bringing up the imagery of women being sexually violated or bringing shame upon their families by walking around unveiled, by implying a woman’s morality is linked to how she dresses, women are coerced into believing they are making a free choice in the thousands and millions, every day of their lives.

The hidden pearls. The precious jewels in velvet boxes. The sweets that attract flies without a wrapper. The metaphors used to convince women that their worth is higher if they remain covered makes clever use of a great deceit: that women are objects to be kept on shelves, their value directly correlated to their shininess, their newness. When are people going to realize that women are not objects or things or possessions? That we are human beings with as much autonomy, independence, sovereignty as men? That we must be left alone, to make our own decisions about what we do with our lives, our bodies, our selves?

The truth is that mental, emotional, physical, social or legal coercion over the issue of the veil immediately takes away the “freedom” of the “choice.”

Men have no right to exercise control over women in any way, shape, or form. Their opinions have no validity in what concerns women’s bodies and lives. Recruiting, paying, or giving some women a portion of the patriarchal privilege in order that they may influence and coerce other women over the issue of the veil, whether by “gentle persuasion” or out-and-out blackmail, is merely another trick men use to exercise control over and dominate women.

Here’s what freedom of choice really looks like when it comes to the niqab, the hijab, the burqa, and the abaya:

“Nothing happens if you wear it. Nothing happens if you don’t wear it. Now, it’s up to you.”

Then stand back and let the woman decide for herself. And stay out of it, for good.

And for those of you who feel a hijab or a niqab or a burqa or an abaya is not a prison, but a symbol of empowerment, I want to ask you why a piece of cloth on your head or face has so much sway over your lives that it transforms you from a ***** into a virtuous woman.

Remember that in Pakistan, even the prostitutes wear veils.

For the source of this article, click below.

 
I agree with the article whole-heartedly.

Whoever said the ridiculous headscarf and burka is anything "islamic"? We have fundamental problem in understanding our religion itself. How many people have checked the Koran to see if wearing burka or headscarf is in any way mandatory before wearing them like slaves? It seems people are a slave of what so-called religious scholars teach them and totally opposed to independent research/creativity. Koran is the guidance for Muslims, not religious scholars. In the brightest time of Islam, there were no religious scholars who claimed it is only they who can interpret Koran and Muslims would do their own independent research on their religion, with creative thought encouraged, much like today's infidel secular western world.

Personally, I cannot stand the Hijabees and headscarf wearers. They always seem to be so arrogant and too proud of themselves. Their "holier than thou" and backward attitude shows up well in their attitude and behaviour. I would take a modern, simple girl as a friend rather than a "holy" hijabee any day of the week.
 
I agree with the article whole-heartedly.

Whoever said the ridiculous headscarf and burka is anything "islamic"? We have fundamental problem in understanding our religion itself. How many people have checked the Koran to see if wearing burka or headscarf is in any way mandatory before wearing them like slaves? It seems people are a slave of what so-called religious scholars teach them and totally opposed to independent research/creativity. Koran is the guidance for Muslims, not religious scholars. In the brightest time of Islam, there were no religious scholars who claimed it is only they who can interpret Koran and Muslims would do their own independent research on their religion, with creative thought encouraged, much like today's infidel secular western world.

Personally, I cannot stand the Hijabees and headscarf wearers. They always seem to be so arrogant and too proud of themselves. Their "holier than thou" and backward attitude shows up well in their attitude and behaviour. I would take a modern, simple girl as a friend rather than a "holy" hijabee any day of the week.

You are not a Muslim yet you act like you anything about Islam. The Holy Quran DOES say to veil themselves.
Qur'an 33:59
Qur'an 24:30-31

Bible 1 Corinthians 11:5

Even Jewish women (orthodox) cover their heads
Zohar vol. III p. 126a- elaborates on the many blessings which Hashem bestows upon the woman (and her entire family) who covers her hair properly.

There are many more examples those are just the ones I know of in the future don't comment on things you know nothing about.
 
The article raises some valid points, however i completely disagree with certain nonsensical arguments it tries to make.
 
define nudididty.

taliban consider ahowing hand as nude act. some muslim believe speaking in high pitch invoke sexual desire for man, so that is also nuditiy.
 
Since you are an expert. Let me ask you. Does the Quran only ask to women to veil themselves??
Or does it also ask men to force women to veil themselves??
You are not a Muslim yet you act like you anything about Islam. The Holy Quran DOES say to veil themselves.
Qur'an 33:59
Qur'an 24:30-31

Bible 1 Corinthians 11:5

Even Jewish women (orthodox) cover their heads
Zohar vol. III p. 126a- elaborates on the many blessings which Hashem bestows upon the woman (and her entire family) who covers her hair properly.

There are many more examples those are just the ones I know of in the future don't comment on things you know nothing about.
 
Qur'an 33:59
Qur'an 24:30-31

Verse 33:59 is for unsafe neighbourhoods (yet, nowhere it says for you to "veil" but just to wear an extra layer of outer garments, what outer garments? This is left to be judged by the women herself). It was revealed at a time when the Muslim women were being taunted in the neighbourhood of Medina. Also evident on 33:60.

24:30-31 indicates general modesty of dress and gaze. What is modesty or how much of it? This is left for the value judgment of the women in divine wisdom. For some, wearing a short skirt may be modest while for some, jeans. It is only mandated that the chest be covered and general modesty (of gaze) in mixed gatherings.


You are not a Muslim

How quickly you assume that. Anybody who is not a fundamentalist is not a Muslim? Is Islam = Fundamentalism?


Bible 1 Corinthians 11:5

Even Jewish women (orthodox) cover their heads
Zohar vol. III p. 126a- elaborates on the many blessings which Hashem bestows upon the woman (and her entire family) who covers her hair properly.

Irrelevant.
 
Quran says to dress MODESTLY... Not like a ninja!!!

Btw, that law about to be passed in Saudi is stupid, there's not much freedom for women in Saudi Arabia
 
Since you are an expert. Let me ask you. Does the Quran only ask to women to veil themselves??
Or does it also ask men to force women to veil themselves??

I'm not an expert but no it also tells men to dress modestly
NO there is no compulsion in anything related to religion in Islam however it would be ignorant for me to that no man forces women as that would incorrect.
 
To soloman the exact translations comes out to covering ones head for the woman
It is the Sunnah to follow Prophet Muhammads (PBUH) footsteps he instructed the women of his family to viel themselves regardless what you or anybody else considers modest today you can't pick and choose what parts of a faith to follow.
It is relevant because all Abrahamic religions instruct covering of the head of women.
I said you are not a muslim because I've seen a lot of your posts and many forum members would agree with me that no muslim would write half the stuff you do.
I do not see how that makes me a fundamentalist if anything you a horrible muslim who needs to catch an Islamic studies class
If you want more sources with exact translation I"ll provide them in morning (im on my phone) although if you are a muslim you should probaly just open a Quran provided you have one.
 
to be honest i dont know what to say i have 2 thoughts on this
1 i am liberal but there is a limit to freedom i am not saying women should be forced to wear hijab or veil but not like this
2 if we force this women not do this she could simply do what is much worse in secret
i believe that a man or women should do what is right when they are convinced to do the right thing not forcing people to be good and be 100 time worse in secret
 
I agree with the article whole-heartedly.

Whoever said the ridiculous headscarf and burka is anything "islamic"? We have fundamental problem in understanding our religion itself. How many people have checked the Koran to see if wearing burka or headscarf is in any way mandatory before wearing them like slaves? It seems people are a slave of what so-called religious scholars teach them and totally opposed to independent research/creativity. Koran is the guidance for Muslims, not religious scholars. In the brightest time of Islam, there were no religious scholars who claimed it is only they who can interpret Koran and Muslims would do their own independent research on their religion, with creative thought encouraged, much like today's infidel secular western world.

Personally, I cannot stand the Hijabees and headscarf wearers. They always seem to be so arrogant and too proud of themselves. Their "holier than thou" and backward attitude shows up well in their attitude and behaviour. I would take a modern, simple girl as a friend rather than a "holy" hijabee any day of the week.
Pretending to be Muslim won't make anyone consider what you say Islamic.
I don't know if you read this in jihadwatch & answeringislam, but we Muslims take our religion from knowledgeable people, not random Russian Jews on the internet.

Back to the hore...
How can I be famous and be considered an intellectual by western atheists?
Yes, I know! take of all my clothes, take a picture of my self nude, post it on the internet and then everyone would think a women is much more than a vagina!:girl_wacko:
 
I can only say 1 thing.... I think I am more eligible to make a societal decision as to what I want to wear rather than an ancient book written in completely different environment..
 
If being nude is sign of development that all animals are most developed creatures in the world those who promote such pathetic things should see the rate of rape in western societies before talking
 
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