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Ecuador grounds made-in-India Dhruv chopper, terminates contract | india | Hindustan Times

Ecuador grounds made-in-India Dhruv chopper, terminates contract


Ecuador has unilaterally terminated a contract with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) after four of the seven Dhruv advanced light helicopters bought from the state-run Indian firm were involved in crashes.

Defense minister Fernando Cordero announced the action during a news conference on Wednesday. He said two of the crashes were caused by mechanical failures. The three remaining Dhruv helicopters have been grounded.

The development is a major setback for HAL, which has sought to market the Dhruv as a low-cost alternative to military and utility helicopters from Western nations. Work on the Dhruv began in 1984 and it first flew in 2002 after a troubled development programme.

Four of the seven Dhruv helicopters delivered to Ecuador between 2009 and 2012 have crashed. One was assigned to transport President Rafael Correa, though he was not in the aircraft at the time.

Ecuador earlier complained that HAL had failed to ship some parts for the helicopters, which were bought for a total of $45.2 million.

HAL, which completed deliveries of the helicopters in 2012, has contested Ecuadorian claims that it failed to ship spares on schedule. A HAL spokesperson told leading defence publication Jane’s that maintaining the aircraft was “exclusively” the responsibility of the Ecuadorian Air Force as the 24-month warranty period for HAL to provide after-sales service support for the seven helicopters had long expired.

Besides Ecuador, the Dhruv is also operated by the security forces of Nepal, Mauritius and the Maldives. The Dhruv has also been offered to Malaysia and Indonesia.

More than 200 Dhruv helicopters are in service with the Indian military. They have been used extensively in relief operations after natural disasters such as the flash floods in Uttarakhand in 2013.

(With inputs from AP)
 
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Ecuador grounds made-in-India Dhruv chopper, terminates contract | india | Hindustan Times

Ecuador grounds made-in-India Dhruv chopper, terminates contract


Ecuador has unilaterally terminated a contract with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) after four of the seven Dhruv advanced light helicopters bought from the state-run Indian firm were involved in crashes.

Defense minister Fernando Cordero announced the action during a news conference on Wednesday. He said two of the crashes were caused by mechanical failures. The three remaining Dhruv helicopters have been grounded.

The development is a major setback for HAL, which has sought to market the Dhruv as a low-cost alternative to military and utility helicopters from Western nations. Work on the Dhruv began in 1984 and it first flew in 2002 after a troubled development programme.

Four of the seven Dhruv helicopters delivered to Ecuador between 2009 and 2012 have crashed. One was assigned to transport President Rafael Correa, though he was not in the aircraft at the time.

Ecuador earlier complained that HAL had failed to ship some parts for the helicopters, which were bought for a total of $45.2 million.

HAL, which completed deliveries of the helicopters in 2012, has contested Ecuadorian claims that it failed to ship spares on schedule. A HAL spokesperson told leading defence publication Jane’s that maintaining the aircraft was “exclusively” the responsibility of the Ecuadorian Air Force as the 24-month warranty period for HAL to provide after-sales service support for the seven helicopters had long expired.

Besides Ecuador, the Dhruv is also operated by the security forces of Nepal, Mauritius and the Maldives. The Dhruv has also been offered to Malaysia and Indonesia.

More than 200 Dhruv helicopters are in service with the Indian military. They have been used extensively in relief operations after natural disasters such as the flash floods in Uttarakhand in 2013.

(With inputs from AP)
This is going to badly hurt India's attempts to acquire more customers. Literally, half of their projects end up failed. The Arjun, Insas rifle, Helicopters and LCA. India needs to stop rushing projects.
 
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5 Days back HAL team headed to Ecuador.

HAL team headed to Ecuador to sort out copter issue - The Hindu
Updated: November 5, 2015 23:56 IST
A team from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM), is on its way to sort out the issue. “The team will be there in a day or two,” a defence official said.

HAL officials told The Hindu that they were responsible for maintenance for 24 months after which it was the responsibility of Ecuador for which they have been trained. There were also been reports of Ecuador complaining about lack of spares and maintenance. But HAL officials have refuted the charges saying that enough spares have been supplied and stocked in the country.
 
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This is going to badly hurt India's attempts to acquire more customers. Literally, half of their projects end up failed. The Arjun, Insas rifle, Helicopters and LCA. India needs to stop rushing projects.

Lets do the talking once you guys design a cycle Dynamo all by yourselves.
 
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Lets do the talking once you guys design a cycle Dynamo all by yourselves.
Al Khalid an amazing success, Our gun projects are successful, We havent designed nor need to design and produce a Helicopter yet and JF-17 is also a sucsess.
 
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Al Khalid an amazing success, Our gun projects are successful, We havent designed nor need to design and produce a Helicopter yet and JF-17 is also a sucsess.

Success , Success and Success is the word you use to describe your Chinese products because you cannot afford anything better. Arjun and LCA are of bigger and of better standards than that of the former yet fail to catch the attention of our forces because they have better options and purchasing capacity than your forces.
 
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This is going to badly hurt India's attempts to acquire more customers. Literally, half of their projects end up failed. The Arjun, Insas rifle, Helicopters and LCA. India needs to stop rushing projects.

Source: Ecuador grounds made-in-India Dhruv chopper, terminates contract
Actually as far as RnD waste is concerned, Pakistan - China - USSR are far worse.
When your military budget is black hole, thats when you get enormousness waste. And thats what the mentioned 3 countries have.
India is mostly transparent. But not as many failures, aside the Trishul project which lets be fair, failed because India couldn't get Russian cooperation and was a bad project to begin with. An AAM missile - turned Short or Medium range SAM would be better option as the technology is essentially the same. Hence, Astra surfaced shortly after Trishul's project demonstration.
Oh and when you build 100 and perhaps 200 more more Arjun tanks, plus support vehicles. Its not failure. Even if you import the engine. There have been worse projects.
India isn't rushing projects. In fact they've been frugal in comparison to peers even America DARPA which is far above India's league.
To give you and example, the LCA, and Arjun while being conceived, tinkered with on a low or no budget for many years, remained Military secrets until the 90's when India could import western technology to manufacture the design. IE DRDO is just a low budget lab in comparison to high stakes purchases like 100 tanks.
And yea, the LCA is better design than JF-17 thunder. The Tejas concept even late and designed severely small which is now becoming an visible flaw is still in better idea then the FC-1. The PLAAF have not banked of the JF-17 and perhaps for good reason.
 
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Lets do the talking once you guys design a cycle Dynamo all by yourselves.

why would we, someone already designed it 100 years ago and by now they are expert in making it the best and the cheapest....we dont believe in reinventing wheels just so we can call it indigenous
 
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Manufacturing a product and selling it outside your country are two different ball games.

Failure of Ecuadorans to maintain Indian made helos will have a strong blow-back for the Indian efforts on not only on this but other defense systems being offered, internationally.

Maintenance or lack of it thereof is not in your control once you sell your product overseas. Training, logistics supply chain, refreshers, upgrades, regular maint. advice and regular OEM visits becomes a challenge. Specially if there is a language barrier too!!

Not all companies or entities are equipped to conduct global support of their products. It is one thing to sell a grenade or SMG but another ball game altogether to sell and maintain a plane or still a bigger challenge, a copter!

Both India and Pakistan will face these and other such hurdles when they go outside their borders. Strong training, support and inspection organization needs to be put in place with stringent SOP's need to be put in place before we go peddling our product abroad.
 
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Its definitely bad PR for Dhruv. Tomo if I am to buy a Dhruv I shall look into the records of it, instead why the crashes occured. 2 crashes by pilots tells us the quality of training of Ecuadorian pilots.
Maintainance is also a problem
 
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why would we, someone already designed it 100 years ago and by now they are expert in making it the best and the cheapest....we dont believe in reinventing wheels just so we can call it indigenous

That's exactly where lies the problem with you guys. You dont see the logic behind reinventing. Lemme explain. It gives you a technical know-how in building upon it, it creates you a sustainable and suitable ecosystem in the country to sling shot into the future and it generates quality human resources who can get you things done.
 
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Its obviously a servicing issue. Hope we have learned something from it.

The Dhruv itself is a great success. It has given us derivatives like LCH and now the Light Utility Helicopter.

All derivatives put together there are about 700 machines on order as we speak, of which more than 250 built.
 
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Dhruv is a great helo Ecuadorian pilots failed to fly helo....:omghaha::astagh:
 
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