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Unlike most western accounts of Pakistani nuclear program which begin and end with A.Q. Khan's network, Feroz Khan's scholarly work "Eating Grass" offers a very comprehensive story of the "Making of The Pakistani Bomb". Feroz Khan takes the reader through the interdisciplinary nature and the inherent complexity of what it takes to develop, build and operationalize a nuclear weapons arsenal.


Setting the Record Straight:

The standard Western and Indian narrative has us believe that A.Q. Khan stole the uranium enrichment technology and built the Pakistani atom bomb, and then proliferated it to Iran, Libya and North Korea. To put it perspective, Feroz Khan explains that it takes at least 500 scientists and 1300 engineers with relevant training and skills to have a nuclear weapons program, according to a 1968 UN study. In a piece titled "Laser Isotope Enrichment-a new dimension to the nth country problem?", Dr. Robert L. Bledsoe writes as follows: "a United Nations study conservatively estimates that at least 500 scientists and 1300 engineers are needed to develop and maintain warhead production facilities, and an additional 19,000 personnel (more than 5000 of them scientists and engineers) are required to produce delivery vehicles of the intermediate ballistic missile variety".

Book Launch:

Khan's book was launched in Silicon Valley at the Fremont Marriott yesterday, with about 100 invited guests, including this blogger, in attendance. The author was introduced by Ms. Sabahat Rafique, a prominent local Pakistani-American. The author, currently a lecturer at Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, spoke briefly about the extensive research he undertook to write the book. He was joined by Prof Rifaat Husain, visiting scholar at Stanford University's Center for International Security and Cooperation, to answer questions.

Human Capital Development:

"Eating grass", published by Stanford University Press, traces the origins of Pakistani nuclear program to the work of Dr. Rafi Mohammad Chaudhry in 1950s and of Dr. Ishrat Husain Usmani in 1960s, both of whom were graduates of Aligarh Muslim University. Dr. Chaudhry did his doctoral research in physics under the supervision of the famous British physicist Ernest Rutherford at Cambridge and Dr. Usmani got his Ph.D. in physics at Imperial College, University of London, with Nobel Laureate Professor P.M.S. Blackett as his adviser. Along with Pakistani Nobel Laureate Dr. Abdus Salam, Chaudhry and Usmani built laboratories and academic institutions and inspired generations of Pakistanis to study subjects in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) fields to produce the scientific and engineering talent for the young nation beginning in 1950s and 1960s.

Darra Adam Khel cottage industry making copies of sophisticated firearms is a testament to the reverse engineering prowess in Pakistan. Faced with multiple layers of sanctions, Pakistanis have now developed industrial scale reverse engineering capabilities. The best example of it is Pakistan's cruise missile Babur derived from a few US Tomahawks. Some of these missiles landed intact in Pakistani territory when Clinton ordered cruise missile attack on Bin Laden in August 1998 in response to USS Cole attack by Al Qaida.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's Role:

The title of the book "Eating Grass" alludes to Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's famous quote "we will eat grass, even go hungry, but we will get one of our own (atom bomb). We have no other choice". Khan goes beyond the quote to highlight Bhutto's substantial role in promoting Pakistan's nuclear program in 1960s. After India's humiliating defeat at the hands of the Chinese in 1962 and the Chinese nuclear test in 1964, Bhutto realized that India, too, would follow suit with a bomb of its own. He started lobbying with President Ayub Khan to start the bomb effort as early as mid 1960s. Ayub and most of his cabinet dismissed the idea but Bhutto remained committed to it and started taking modest steps toward building the scientific capability for it. As part of this effort, Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) and Pakistan's Institute of Nuclear Science and Technology (PINSTECH) were established in 1960s under the leadership of Dr. I.H. Usmani. These were followed by the construction of Karachi Nuclear Power Plant (KANUPP) in 1970s. These institutions became training grounds for thousands of engineers and scientists in Pakistan in the field of nuclear science and technology.

1971 India-Pakistan War:

It was Pakistan's dismemberment after a humiliating defeat in India-Pakistan war of 1971 and India's first successful nuclear test in 1974 that, according to Khan, strengthened Pakistanis' resolve to weaponize the country's nuclear program. This new resolve gave strong impetus to expanding research and development activities and covert acquisition of a range of components necessary to build indigenous capability to produce nuclear warheads and delivery mechanisms. This was done in the face of strict international controls mandated by NPT and MTCR to control proliferation of nuclear and missile technologies.

Parallel covert efforts started with the establishment of a uranium enrichment facility at Kahuta which was headed by A.Q. Khan. A.Q Khan, a graduate of Karachi University, had been working on uranium enrichment in Europe for many years. He had the knowledge and the experience. He also had a wide range of contacts he had developed over the years in Europe which he used to establish a procurement network. A.Q. Khan succeeded in acquiring the components and building thousands of gas centrifuges to produce highly enriched uranium (HEU) well ahead of a similar plutonium (Pu) reprocessing program underway at PAEC.

The book explains that HEU from Khan Research Lab (KRL) alone was not enough to make a bomb. It was PAEC that did the R&D to metalize UF6 into bomb core, and designed and built trigger mechanism with specialized explosives, lenses and detonators. It also required lots of cold testing to test the bomb design before conducting hot tests.

May 1998 Nuclear Tests:

Pakistan finally decided to go ahead with its atomic weapons tests in response to India's tests in May, 1998. It took only two weeks for Pakistan to do so after the Indian tests. Pakistan's then-prime minister Nawaz Sharif ordered the tests in the face of intense international pressure, particularly from the US President Bill Clinton who made multiple phone calls to Sharif asking him to refrain from it.The tests were followed by severe international sanctions led by the United States against Pakistan.

Ballistic and Cruise Missiles:

In addition to the work on the bomb, both PAEC and KRL labs also pursued development of reliable delivery vehicles for nuclear warheads. While PAEC worked on solid fuel rockets based on Chinese M-11 design, KRL focused on liquid-fueled variety based North Korean Nodong, writes Khan in "Eating Grass". Khan says Pakistanis have also reverse engineered American Tomahawk cruise missile as part of their efforts to add stealth capability to hit targets deep inside India from air, land and sea.

Command and Control:

Khan goes into the efforts made by Pakistan under President Musharraf since 2000 to put in place robust security of its nuclear assets and sophisticated command and control structures. A separate strategic command has been established to operationalize its nuclear weapons capability. And it is continuing to develop with changing needs.

Response to Indo-US Nuclear Deal:

Khan says in the book that there are eight Indian reactors exempted by US-India nuclear deal from IAEA safeguards leaving India free to process and accumulate 500 Kg weapons-grade plutonium per year. In addition, India is rapidly expanding its HEU production for its nuclear submarine by adding thousands of centrifuges.

Pakistan has responded by increasing its plutonium production at its indigenously built Khushab reactor complex which is not covered by IAEA safeguards, according to Khan. KRL is also continuing to produce about 100 Kg per year HEU with a new generation of P-3 and P-4 centrifuges at much higher separation rate.

Damaging Episodes:

Khan does not gloss over the severe damage done to Pakistan by AQ Khan's proliferation network and concerns raised by a meeting of Pakistani nuclear scientists Sultan Bashiruddin Mehmood and Abdul Majeed with Osama Bin Laden. He discusses at length how AQ Khan turned his procurement network into a proliferation network for personal profit. Musharraf saw the AQ Khan's proliferation as the "most difficult thing to deal with". The author quotes Musharraf as saying, "(T)he public image of A.Q. Khan was that of a legend and father of the bomb. He certainly was a hero for his role and contribution to the nuclear program, but at the same time no other person brought so much harm to the nuclear program than him".

As to Mehmood and Majeed, Khan says that they designed Khushab reactors. Their expertise was in reactor design, not bomb-making, and they couldn't have helped Al Qaeda acquire a bomb even if he wanted to. Nonetheless, they reinforced international suspicions about Pakistan's primarily defensive nuclear efforts.

Criticism of the Book:

As expected, the main criticism of the book has come from Indian reviewers. In a 500-page book, Indian critics have singled out a one-line citation by the author that on December 16, 1971, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi stood before the Indian Parliament and, amid a thunderous standing ovation, stated that India had “avenged several centuries of Hindu humiliation at the hands of Mughal emperors and sultans”. Khan has cited his reference for it as follows: V. Langer, The Defence and Foreign Policy of India (New Delhi: Sterling Publishers, 1998), 205. Cited in Sattar, Pakistan's Foreign Policy 1947-2005, 119.

Summary:

Brig Feroz Khan's "Eating Grass" is an erudite work that offers the first authentic insider account of the making of the Pakistani bomb. It details a story of spectacular scientific and strategic achievement by a nation dismissed as a temporary "tent" and a "nissen hut" at birth by Viceroy Lord Mountbatten in 1947. That same "nissen hut" is now a nuclear power about which Brookings' Stephen Cohen has said as follows:

“One of the most important puzzles of India-Pakistan relations is not why the smaller Pakistan feels encircled and threatened, but why the larger India does. It would seem that India, seven times more populous than Pakistan and five times its size, and which defeated Pakistan in 1971, would feel more secure. This has not been the case and Pakistan remains deeply embedded in Indian thinking. There are historical, strategic, ideological, and domestic reasons why Pakistan remains the central obsession of much of the Indian strategic community, just as India remains Pakistan’s.”

Haq's Musings: Silicon Valley Launch of "Eating Grass- The Making of the Pakistani Bomb"
 
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Another piece of ASCII garbage from Haq's "Amusings" ; The whole world knows that the Grass-Eaters have made the bomb a liability for their nation ; Instead of the bomb guarding the State, the State guards the bomb, just like the Army has a state in Pakistan instead of state having an Army. One has to simply look at the layers of personnel that AQ Khan put in place for global nuclear proliferation. From his second in command, Abu Tahir running the front for SMB computers, to forging his Prime Minister's authorization seal for selling centrifuge designs to Libya , Iran and North Korea, Pakistan nuclear history has been a compendium work in Ignominy silently ignored by the US while they were using the ISI for chump-change. In early 2004, had the US not gone to Iraq, Khan would have been done an "Aafia Siddiqui" and brought to the US for his crime. He and the state sure has a lot to answer before the Pakistani state runs out of grass and starts feeding on enriched uranium.

As for reviews from a neutral perspective, i would direct the OP to Christine Fair's review on the same (its not out yet methinks). She has torn his book to shreds, not from the perspective of Khan smuggling Centrifuge designs out of Netherlands, but of Bhutto's ideology that led to the current state of Pakistan's turmoil, which fits in snugly in the context of Eating Grass.
 
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.....and Dr Munir wasn't even mentioned... Im not reading this book.
 
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Atleast it is launched in silicon valley! good !
 
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try maarni theena phir 26/11 kay baad .... ham tu aaj tak wait he kar rahay hain "SURGICAL STRIKE DRAMA" lolzzzzzzzzzzzz

O yaar.. Socha to tha.. Par tumhare desh mein itne saare doctor roz jagah jagah explosive surgery kar rahe hain, ki humko jagah hi nahin mili kahan strike kare ;)

jokes apart, a lot of people in Pakistan believe that instead of responding with military strikes, India took a leaf out of Pakistan's book of tactics and has used Pakistan's own non state actors against Pakistan since 26/11.. How's that ??
 
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When i saw the source i stopped reading... Haq's :omghaha::omghaha:.... he is the only guy you stay in positive side... even the economy of pakistan collapsing... he will pull out some statics to show them upper hand....lol
 
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Thing is from 1962 we have progressed, you on the other hand have regressed from 1971. No small measures for us - won't kill innocent women and children like you did during 26/11 - just like the East Pakistanis greeted us as liberators, we will lay the groundwork for the Baluchis to greet us like liberators.

dude are you kidding me ? wake up its not 71 or 84 anymore in fact like 62 was for you, 1971 was a baptize of fire for Pakistan, from there on increasing Pakistan's military strength became our first & foremost national resolve the fact that Pakistan militarily was never so strong as it is today, back in 1971 our military strength was only 300,000 troops, as i said its not 1971 or 84's anymore
by the grace of Allah (swt) today we have a military strength stronger then we ever had in Pakistan's history, todays Pakistan is not the Pakistan of 1971 or 84, todays Pakistan is a conventionally strong (12th in the world) & a Nuclear & Missile power (7th in the world)

Army

1,132,500 army, active troops 617,000 reserve 515,500 ( 7th largest standing army today)

also addition
400,000 paramilitary troops

3,400 Tanks , 5745 Armour fighting vehicle 1,065 self propelled guns

3197 towed artillery's 172 (MLRS) 3200 portable mortar system

13,200 portable AT weapons 11,500 logistic vehicle


Army aviation


36 AH-1F/S Cobra
4 IAR 330
6 Eurocopter Fennec
2 Harbin Y-12
2 Cessna Citation Bravo
2 Aero Commander 840
86 Mil Mi-17
20 Bell 206
50 Bell 412
40 Bell UH-1 Huey
8 Eurocopter AS350
55 Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma
12 Aerospatiale SA.316 Alouette III
3 Beechcraft Super King Air


Transport Aircraft


1 Airbus A310
1 Cessna Citation V
4 Gulfstream IV
4 Embraer Phenom 100
3 Ilyushin Il-78
1 Antonov An-26
24 C-130
4 CASA CN-235
2 Harbin Y-12

AIR FORCE

82 f-16's
60 mirage III
65 mirage V
160 + f-7 mp/pg
50 jf-17 thunder


AWACS


2 saab E hawky system

4 zdk-03

2 Dassault Falcon 20



NAVY


11 frigates
3 Mine Countermeasure Vessel
3 mine hunter
8 Auxiliary Ships
12 Hover Crafts
17 Patrol Boats
8 Fast Attack Crafts (FAC)
4 Multi Role Tactical craft (MRTC)
8 submarine
1 nuclear submarine (underdevellopment)


Naval Aviation


5 03c-orions
2 Breguet Atlantic
6 Westland Sea King
7 Fokker F27
1 Hawker 800
8 Aérospatiale Alouette III SA-319B
12 Harbin Z-9
12 Dassault Mirage 5

Missiles

shaheen 1,shaheen 2, shaheen 3 (untested) shaheen 1a
ghauri 1, ghauri 2
abdali
ghaznavi
cruise missiles babur, raad
multi tube canister ,nasr,babur


Stratagic Commond Force


100-110 nuclear warheads
 
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dude are you kidding me ? wake up its not 71 or 84 anymore in fact like 62 was you 1971 was a baptize of fire for Pakistan, from there on increasing Pakistan's military strength became our first & foremost national resolve the fact that i Pakistan militarily was never so strong as it is today back in 1971 our military strength was only 300,000 troops, as i said its not 1971 or 84's anymore
by the grace of Allah (swt) today we have a military strength stronger then we ever had in Pakistan's history todays Pakistan is not 1971 or 84's Pakistan todays Pakistan is a conventionally strong 12th in the world & the nuclear & missile power 7th in the world

Army

1,132,500 army, active troops 617,000 reserve 515,500
also addition

400,000 paramilitary troops

3,400 Tanks , 5745 Armour fighting vehicle 1,065 self propelled guns

3197 towed artillery's 172 (MLRS) 3200 portable mortar system

13,200 portable AT weapons 11,500 logistic vehicle


Army aviation


36 AH-1F/S Cobra
4 IAR 330
6 Eurocopter Fennec
2 Harbin Y-12
2 Cessna Citation Bravo
2 Aero Commander 840
86 Mil Mi-17
20 Bell 206
50 Bell 412
40 Bell UH-1 Huey
8 Eurocopter AS350
55 Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma
12 Aerospatiale SA.316 Alouette III
3 Beechcraft Super King Air


Transport Aircraft


1 Airbus A310
1 Cessna Citation V
4 Gulfstream IV
4 Embraer Phenom 100
3 Ilyushin Il-78
1 Antonov An-26
24 C-130
4 CASA CN-235
2 Harbin Y-12

AIR FORCE

82 f-16's
60 mirage III
65 mirage V
160 + f-7 mp/pg
50 jf-17 thunder


AWACS


2 saab E hawky system

4 zdk-03

2 Dassault Falcon 20



NAVY


11 frigates
3 Mine Countermeasure Vessel
3 mine hunter
8 Auxiliary Ships
12 Hover Crafts
17 Patrol Boats
8 Fast Attack Crafts (FAC
4 Multi Role Tactical craft (MRTC)
8 submarine
1 nuclear submarine (underdevellopment)


Naval Aviation


5 03c-orions
2 Breguet Atlantic
6 Westland Sea King
7 Fokker F27
1 Hawker 800
8 Aérospatiale Alouette III SA-319B
12 Harbin Z-9
12 Dassault Mirage 5

Missiles

shaheen 1,shaheen 2, shaheen 3 (untested) shaheen 1a
ghauri 1, ghauri 2
abdali
ghaznavi
cruise missiles babur, raad
multi tube canister ,nasr,babur


Stratagic Commond Force


100-110 nuclear warheads

Mazrat ke saath sirji even we have twice if not thrice all the above said or comparble to them but thats nit the point its not a millitarry onli that makes a nation what about your social sector , what about your education system , what about your health system what about your internal security and last but not the least what about your infrastructre and economy

yes you had made strides in Missile and neuke arsenell but the thing is even them most pakistanies are not safe in pakistan itself 95% owt of 100 pakistani youth wants to leave pakistan power cuts and curruption are the hallmark of land of the pure lolzzzz is it the armed forces gaurding the nation or the other way around ...bhanaoow ko samjho ji :azn:
 
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dude are you kidding me ? wake up its not 71 or 84 anymore in fact like 62 was you 1971 was a baptize of fire for Pakistan, from there on increasing Pakistan's military strength became our first & foremost national resolve the fact that Pakistan militarily was never so strong as it is today, back in 1971 our military strength was only 300,000 troops, as i said its not 1971 or 84's anymore
by the grace of Allah (swt) today we have a military strength stronger then we ever had in Pakistan's history, todays Pakistan is not the Pakistan of 1971 or 84, todays Pakistan is a conventionally strong (12th in the world) & a Nuclear & Missile power (7th in the world)

Army

1,132,500 army, active troops 617,000 reserve 515,500 ( 7th largest standing army today)

also addition
400,000 paramilitary troops

3,400 Tanks , 5745 Armour fighting vehicle 1,065 self propelled guns

3197 towed artillery's 172 (MLRS) 3200 portable mortar system

13,200 portable AT weapons 11,500 logistic vehicle


Army aviation


36 AH-1F/S Cobra
4 IAR 330
6 Eurocopter Fennec
2 Harbin Y-12
2 Cessna Citation Bravo
2 Aero Commander 840
86 Mil Mi-17
20 Bell 206
50 Bell 412
40 Bell UH-1 Huey
8 Eurocopter AS350
55 Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma
12 Aerospatiale SA.316 Alouette III
3 Beechcraft Super King Air


Transport Aircraft


1 Airbus A310
1 Cessna Citation V
4 Gulfstream IV
4 Embraer Phenom 100
3 Ilyushin Il-78
1 Antonov An-26
24 C-130
4 CASA CN-235
2 Harbin Y-12

AIR FORCE

82 f-16's
60 mirage III
65 mirage V
160 + f-7 mp/pg
50 jf-17 thunder


AWACS


2 saab E hawky system

4 zdk-03

2 Dassault Falcon 20



NAVY


11 frigates
3 Mine Countermeasure Vessel
3 mine hunter
8 Auxiliary Ships
12 Hover Crafts
17 Patrol Boats
8 Fast Attack Crafts (FAC
4 Multi Role Tactical craft (MRTC)
8 submarine
1 nuclear submarine (underdevellopment)


Naval Aviation


5 03c-orions
2 Breguet Atlantic
6 Westland Sea King
7 Fokker F27
1 Hawker 800
8 Aérospatiale Alouette III SA-319B
12 Harbin Z-9
12 Dassault Mirage 5

Missiles

shaheen 1,shaheen 2, shaheen 3 (untested) shaheen 1a
ghauri 1, ghauri 2
abdali
ghaznavi
cruise missiles babur, raad
multi tube canister ,nasr,babur


Stratagic Commond Force


100-110 nuclear warheads

I don't doubt this data but even with all this capital at your disposal, we have just seen you twiddle your thumbs as you get internally weak with sectarian violence, governors and ex-PMs being shot, Governments being overthrown, a judiciary and an executive at loggerheads, a deeply political armed force and Americans treating you as they like - walking around your country shooting people - Raymond Davis and you actually releasing them.
 
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Its not at all impressive.
If you were somehow thinking that listing down these would show Pakistan Armed forces having great equipment, you are wrong.

Pakistan will continue to lose all battles and wars for the simple reason that they never learn from history.

There is a reason that despite 4 wars that Pakistan has fought with India, it has won zero.

dude are you kidding me ? wake up its not 71 or 84 anymore in fact like 62 was you 1971 was a baptize of fire for Pakistan, from there on increasing Pakistan's military strength became our first & foremost national resolve the fact that Pakistan militarily was never so strong as it is today, back in 1971 our military strength was only 300,000 troops, as i said its not 1971 or 84's anymore
by the grace of Allah (swt) today we have a military strength stronger then we ever had in Pakistan's history, todays Pakistan is not the Pakistan of 1971 or 84, todays Pakistan is a conventionally strong (12th in the world) & a Nuclear & Missile power (7th in the world)

Army

1,132,500 army, active troops 617,000 reserve 515,500 ( 7th largest standing army today)

also addition
400,000 paramilitary troops

3,400 Tanks , 5745 Armour fighting vehicle 1,065 self propelled guns

3197 towed artillery's 172 (MLRS) 3200 portable mortar system

13,200 portable AT weapons 11,500 logistic vehicle


Army aviation


36 AH-1F/S Cobra
4 IAR 330
6 Eurocopter Fennec
2 Harbin Y-12
2 Cessna Citation Bravo
2 Aero Commander 840
86 Mil Mi-17
20 Bell 206
50 Bell 412
40 Bell UH-1 Huey
8 Eurocopter AS350
55 Aérospatiale SA 330 Puma
12 Aerospatiale SA.316 Alouette III
3 Beechcraft Super King Air


Transport Aircraft


1 Airbus A310
1 Cessna Citation V
4 Gulfstream IV
4 Embraer Phenom 100
3 Ilyushin Il-78
1 Antonov An-26
24 C-130
4 CASA CN-235
2 Harbin Y-12

AIR FORCE

82 f-16's
60 mirage III
65 mirage V
160 + f-7 mp/pg
50 jf-17 thunder


AWACS


2 saab E hawky system

4 zdk-03

2 Dassault Falcon 20



NAVY


11 frigates
3 Mine Countermeasure Vessel
3 mine hunter
8 Auxiliary Ships
12 Hover Crafts
17 Patrol Boats
8 Fast Attack Crafts (FAC
4 Multi Role Tactical craft (MRTC)
8 submarine
1 nuclear submarine (underdevellopment)


Naval Aviation


5 03c-orions
2 Breguet Atlantic
6 Westland Sea King
7 Fokker F27
1 Hawker 800
8 Aérospatiale Alouette III SA-319B
12 Harbin Z-9
12 Dassault Mirage 5

Missiles

shaheen 1,shaheen 2, shaheen 3 (untested) shaheen 1a
ghauri 1, ghauri 2
abdali
ghaznavi
cruise missiles babur, raad
multi tube canister ,nasr,babur


Stratagic Commond Force


100-110 nuclear warheads
 
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There is a reason that despite 4 wars that Pakistan has fought with India, it has won zero.

:woot::woot::woot: yes just listen to ur mama and go ...serup pee k so jao..bary ho pakistan sy larna bhi to hy na...wat ideocity... 4 wars...u dumb @$$ 1948 main mar mar k adha kashmir wapis ly liya tha agr aap apny papa UNO ko na laty to poora kashmir azad kra lyna tha....1965 everyone knows k kis ko maar pari thi ... 1971 mulk internal matters ki vja sy toota tha india ka koi direct role nai tha... or kargil main jo hum ny kia tha ab to tumari any wali 10 naslain bhi kargil ko khali chor kr neechy nai utrain gi... so just keep dreaming...and keep thumping ur black *** huh

Bhaki tho tikh hein.... Yeh Nuclear submarine kahaase ayaa bhai???????

underdevelopment like ur so called LCA, AMCA OR MMCA or god knows wat MC BC...
 
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underdevelopment like ur so called LCA, AMCA OR MMCA or god knows wat MC BC...

Ok Fine... Can you share what stage the developments are progressed????? (or is it from your wish list?)
 
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:woot::woot::woot: yes just listen to ur mama and go ...serup pee k so jao..bary ho pakistan sy larna bhi to hy na...wat ideocity... 4 wars...u dumb @$$ 1948 main mar mar k adha kashmir wapis ly liya tha agr aap apny papa UNO ko na laty to poora kashmir azad kra lyna tha....1965 everyone knows k kis ko maar pari thi ... 1971 mulk internal matters ki vja sy toota tha india ka koi direct role nai tha... or kargil main jo hum ny kia tha ab to tumari any wali 10 naslain bhi kargil ko khali chor kr neechy nai utrain gi... so just keep dreaming...and keep thumping ur black *** huh



underdevelopment like ur so called LCA, AMCA OR MMCA or god knows wat MC BC...

he he he he janee 1948 me adha hi liya per hamne tumhe aise larzaya ki tum aaj bhee reh reh ke kashmir ka raag alaapte ho

1965 me tumne pange liye aur fir apni luthi hui izzat ko bachane ke liye tashkent bhage

1971 me hamne 1965 aur 1948 ka hisaab ek saath poora ker diya aur tum aaj tak 1971 ka badla lene ke liye khud ko hi lahoo luahn kare ja rahe ho

1999 me kargil me tumne socha tha hindu baniye kuch nahi karenge per jab tumhe pata chala ki ye wo baniye nahi hai jo tum soch ke aaye the tumhe hamne itna maara ki tumhe amrika bahadur ke paas fir se jaana para aur aaj tak amrika bhadur tumse uski kiste le raha hai

janee hum hum hain bakee pani kum hain kya samjhe :azn:

rahi baat LCA , AMCA aur doosre hathyaaron ki to koi gal nahi hamara paisa hamara hathyaar der saver bana hi lenege kam se kam hum aapke mulk ki tarah hathyaaron ke liye paid mercenarreries ki tarah to nahi larte ;)
 
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