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And how exactly is this 'talibanization'
It was exactly the same before taliban.... People eating in public during ramazan are told off and were even arrested on public order offenses...
And thats fine for a predominently muslim country where everybody is fasting and some idiot decides to intimidate them..
Hotels and restaurants have special arrangements for people not keepimg fast..why make a drama..



Cow is the keyword..
I will say no more ;)

Troll is the middle word here safriz ;)
 
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And how exactly is this 'talibanization'
It was exactly the same before taliban.... People eating in public during ramazan are told off and were even arrested on public order offenses...
And thats fine for a predominently muslim country where everybody is fasting and some idiot decides to intimidate them..
Hotels and restaurants have special arrangements for people not keepimg fast..why make a drama..

You are fasting and I am eating in front of you = I am intimidating you??!!
Funny logic eh??

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You are fasting and I am eating in front of you = I am intimidating you??!!
Funny logic eh??

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In pakistan and most other muslim countries it is like that...and nothing wrong with it..
We are not 'western style' liberals.
We have certain restrains and restrictions in our culture..
This being one of them.....

now you may come out of the paper bag...
 
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The part in the Red is the most startling piece from among the news..
everything abotu Pak is a startling thing to you, dick. Isn't posting local news against the forum's policy?

P.S. And then indian members post threads in members club section about what to post and what not to post to avoid hostility.
 
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In pakistan and most other muslim countries it is like that...and nothing wrong with it..
We are not 'western style' liberals.
We have certain restrains and restrictions in our culture..
This being one of them.....

now you may come out of the paper bag...
Expecting others not to eat in public because you are fasting, and beating them up if they do, is hardly restraint.
We all like restraint when it is done by other side, what is so special about 'eastern style' liberal?

everything abotu Pak is a startling thing to you, dick. Isn't posting local news against the forum's policy?

P.S. And then indian members post threads in members club section about what to post and what not to post to avoid hostility.
Is this a banned topic?
 
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Expecting others not to eat in public because you are fasting, and beating them up if they do, is hardly restraint.
We all like restraint when it is done by other side, what is so special about 'eastern style' liberal?
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People can eat in private during fasting time..
Police doesnt raid restaurants and homes arresting non fasting muslims...
Thats simple to understand unless somebody is really a noob..
Say for example i carry banners saying bad things about pork and alcohol in europe..and somebody gets agitated by this and i get attacked..
You will say their country theirrules and i should have abide by that..
Likewise pakistan is a muslim country and you have to abide by pakistan's cultural,religious,restrains.....not eating publicly during ramazan being one of them.
 
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What's up with all those Indians and Pakistani's trolling here?

Nice article from a lawyer in Pakistan on why such a law is logically deficient, but also incompatible with Islam in his view.

The Unconstitutional and UnIslamic Ehteram-e-Ramzan Ordinance

By Yasser Latif Hamdani

The United States of America had till a few decades ago a curious legal creature called the “Sunday Closing Law” also known as the “Blue law” on statute books of many of its constituent states. On Sunday, that day being the “Christian Sabbath”, it was forbidden to carry out any business or for grocers to sell anything except necessities. The law applied across the board and was thus an instance of a religious law. Ultimately most states were forced to repeal this law for being ultra-vires to the US constitution which promises freedom of religion and freedom of conscience. Enshrined in the US constitution is the first amendment which forbids the state to either establish religion or forbid the practice of it. Thus freedom of religion was a fundamental constitutional right and the basis of the repeal of the Blue Law in most states.

One of the promises expressly made by the founding fathers of Pakistan was religious freedom for all. Jinnah promised in about two dozen speeches before and after partition that there would be no discrimination based on faith in Pakistan. His was a vision of a secular democratic state informed by Muslim cultural life the same way US is influenced by Christian values and secular India embodies the ethos of its Hindu majority on a civic level. The constitution of 1973 however sought to establish Islam as the state religion within the framework of a federal democratic republic. Nonetheless this constitution gives Pakistanis “the right to the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion” (Article 20) and further ensures that “all citizens are equal before law and are entitled to equal protection of law” (Article 25) and “in respect of access to places of public entertainment or resort not intended for religious purposes only, there shall be no discrimination against any citizen on the ground only of race, religion, caste, sex, residence or place of birth” (Article 26).

Pakistan, despite being officially christened as the “Islamic Republic”, did not have any such blue or green law for the first 30 odd years of its existence. This was probably because Islam, unlike Judaism and Christianity, did not allocate one day for worship and rest. In fact Islam encourages its followers to seek business after the weekly Friday prayer. 1980s under General Zia-ul-Haq were marked hypocritical Islamization. Amongst the many things introduced was the Ehteram-e-Ramzan Ordinance of 1981 which made it a crime to eat in public during fasting hours for all eligible Muslims in Pakistan as well as forcing restaurants and eateries to remain close during these times. Of course the fact that no one has their faith written on their forehead- so some can grow it on their chin- makes every Pakistani- Muslim or Non-Muslim- susceptible to this law. The questions that may be asked are a- whether such a situation is consistent with the right of freedom of religion as provided for in our constitution? and b- does Islam envisage such a forcible imposition on the common man?

While on the face of it the Ordinance does not contravene at the very least the rights of Non-Muslim minorities, the ground reality is completely different. The closure of restaurants and other eating places means that anyone who is not fasting – be it a Muslim or Non-Muslim, man or woman- really has no choice but to go hungry. The term “religious freedom” implies not just the freedom to practise your faith but also freedom from imposition of faith on an individual. For example a Muslim who chooses not to fast cannot be forced to fast anymore than he can be forced to pray. Prayer and fasting being acts of worship are therefore of a highly personal nature. Therefore the right of religious freedom as given by Article 20 through any legal interpretation is violated by this Ordinance. Similarly if public restaurants and eateries were opened up to Non-Muslims alone – as some might argue- it would still stand in violation of Article 26 as it would violate the rights of those citizens who happen to be Muslims but are denied entry into restaurants and eateries on account of their faith. Therefore a straightforward legal application of the constitution renders the Ehteram-e-Ramzan Ordinance of 1981 ultra vires to the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Finally from an Islamic angle, the Ordinance seems to violate more Islamic injunctions than it protects. Consider for example the case of a pregnant woman or a new mother who is unable to provide nourishment to her unborn child or baby because she couldn’t find any food. Would this be Islamic? Similarly would Islam- which almost every scholar agrees is sensitive to minorities and which promises freedom of religion- force Non-Muslims to refrain from eating on account of its adherents? This would amount to a clear negation of the Quranic verse “La Ikrah fid deen” – there is no compulsion in religion. Compulsion is not just physical coercion. If you create conditions that force someone to choose a particular path – in our case for unwilling parties to go hungry in Ramzan- that is compulsion.

It is therefore important that the constitutional institution of the Council of Islamic Ideology reviews the Ehteram-e-Ramzan Ordinance in line with Islamic teachings as well as the Constitution to determine whether this is a fair or just law. I am sure that once they do, this blue law will also meet the same fate previous blue laws have in other countries.

Yasser Latif Hamdani is a lawyer in Islamabad

The Unconstitutional and UnIslamic Ehteram-e-Ramzan Ordinance | Pak Tea House
 
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Another gift from Zia!

Agree with the author though.
 
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People can eat in private during fasting time..
Police doesnt raid restaurants and homes arresting non fasting muslims...
Thats simple to understand unless somebody is really a noob..
Say for example i carry banners saying bad things about pork and alcohol in europe..and somebody gets agitated by this and i get attacked..
You will say their country theirrules and i should have abide by that..
Likewise pakistan is a muslim country and you have to abide by pakistan's cultural,religious,restrains.....not eating publicly during ramazan being one of them.

I can understand if this is a law in saudi arab or afganistan, but expect better from multicultural pakistan. How eating outside is provoking your anger is difficult to understand.
What about eating at workplace (afternoon lunch). Do others have to hide from fasting muslims? Are people allowed to drink water/tea infront of them? Will that provoke muslims?
 
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In pakistan and most other muslim countries it is like that...and nothing wrong with it..
We are not 'western style' liberals.
We have certain restrains and restrictions in our culture..
This being one of them.....

now you may come out of the paper bag...

Those restraints were certainly not shown by those constables now was it?? :woot:
And I thought Ramadan was about exercising self-restraint, controlling your anger and having brotherly feelings for one and all..!!

PS : If you look closely, its you in the paper bag.... And you wanting to come out of it or not; is a totally different question... :toast_sign:
 
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before making a comment note that the guy who was eating in public was doing an un-lawful activity thats why he was supposed to get punishment.. he was not in some non-Islamic country.... he was in Islamic country where he must respect the holy month.. and people who do fast.. this law is not only Pakistan but also in whole gulf as well.. Indians who claim it talibanisation are ranting just in the hate of a particular religion and not in favour of any 'human right'... these human right activists must first make their house in order... hint: Asaam..
 
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Boo Hoo...if you wanna fast...it's not on others to conform for you. Do you think everyone in the UK is gonna go hungry for you?

Have some orange juice then think again....
UK isnt a muslim or muslim majority country..Pakistan is..
But in UK i cant shout abuse against the queen even if o dont like her..
So yes every country has their own cultural restrains.
 
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