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Duterte to China: Back off from Pag-asa Island

Not a problem. Manila is backed by military alliance US and Japan. Although I agree, alone the Philippines have no chance now, so Duterte should step up military spendings purchasing submarines, fighter jets. Why not some squadrons F35?

All the best from the people of Vietnam

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Same as Vietnam that was backing by Soviet Union and got bombed to stone age by Chinese artillery in 1979 and see their city destroyed. When China decide for war, we will accept the consequence. I don't think getting external support will really help Philippine because China has never been deterred nor feel intimidate by that, the best is to settle the conflict peacefully. If Philippine think to have US's backing and start to make trouble over SCS, they're making a bad mistake calculation.

Consider this: if Philippines falls, Vietnam will be the next domino that falls. If Vietnam, Philippines fall, Taiwan will fall. Once China controlls the seas, all entry exist points, she will strangulate Vietnam, Taiwan and Philippines into submission. Japan will be cut off from energy and food supply from the SC sea and Western Pacific. Millions of Japanese kids will die because of famine and starvation.

Even if the US refuses to come to Philippines’s rescue, I am 100 percent sure, Japan will come. Because Japan’s survival is at stake.

@Suika

For sure Vietnam will fall over SCS if Vietnam make any nasty move like in 1989: in the pass China had trouble to reach SCS or fight a long sea battle but today it's different, we have "reclaimed bases" which allow Chinese to sustain a long war against Vietnamese navy and your government know this so well that why they're playing the silence tactic :observe but not make lousy noise to provoke China and let Philippine and other to make move and hope US will get involve.

As for Japan, they control the first island chain, we control the SCS, if they make any nasty move to stop China over first Island Chain, they will pay in SCS, a well balanced Get even strategy lay by China...of course we're peaceful loving people like Japanese, we're thinking the future of our kids too.
 
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Same as Vietnam that was backing by Soviet Union and got bombed to stone age by Chinese artillery in 1979 and see their city destroyed. When China decide for war, we will accept the consequence. I don't think getting external support will really help Philippine because China has never been deterred nor feel intimidate by that, the best is to settle the conflict peacefully. If Philippine think to have US's backing and start to make trouble over SCS, they're making a bad mistake calculation.



For sure Vietnam will fall over SCS if Vietnam make any nasty move like in 1989: in the pass China had trouble to reach SCS or fight a long sea battle but today it's different, we have "reclaimed bases" which allow Chinese to sustain a long war against Vietnamese navy and your government know this so well that why they're playing the silence tactic :observe but not make lousy noise to provoke China and let Philippine and other to make move and hope US will get involve.

As for Japan, they control the first island chain, we control the SCS, if they make any nasty move to stop China over first Island Chain, they will pay in SCS, a well balanced Get even strategy lay by China...of course we're peaceful loving people like Japanese, we're thinking the future of our kids too.
You are proud of shelling Vietnamese cities? You shouldn’t cry over and over again over Japan bombers attacking Shanghai.
 
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You are proud of shelling Vietnamese cities? You shouldn’t cry over and over again over Japan bombers attacking Shanghai.

I merely gave you Vietnam as example that you will not deter China even if you got Soviet backing. Vietnam invaded Cambodia is "OK" and we bombed Vietnam is not "OK"? sound like double standard to me. I did't cry over Shanghai's bombing and I don't feel any pity for Japanese when Japan got Nuked.
 
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I merely gave you Vietnam as example that you will not deter China even if you got Soviet backing. Vietnam invaded Cambodia is "OK" and we bombed Vietnam is not "OK"? sound like double standard to me. I did't cry over Shanghai's bombing and I don't feel any pity for Japanese when Japan got Nuked.
You forgot: Cambodia started the war.

Japan is the top investor in the Philippines. That'll give Japan political will to do something about pressure by China.

Japan recently donated spare helicopter parts to the Philippines. Another batch of spare parts is due this August. Japan has donated many other things like 10 medium size patrol parts, 5 patrol aircraft, a couple of high speed patrol boats. The two countries are currently in talks about Japan selling to the Philippines some land-based radars. Excess aircraft has also been mentioned. Some wonder if that could mean P-3 patrol aircraft.

Japan has diplomatic influence as well and might be able to coordinate diplomatic and economic cooperation from other CPTPP countries, treaty all the US, and recently EPA trade treaty partner the EU.

It'll depend on the scale of the fight to trigger all that. Japan won't want a senseless triggering of it. But they have some levers.

China has once did the same show of sending 200+ boats to the Senkaku islands. That was in the summer of 2016. Senkaku Islands still administered by Japan and now China is trying to make nice with Japan.

As China gets stronger, so too will the Philippines and Japan, so that'll maintain a balance of power.
Japan Navy should as soon as possible deploy aircraft carriers with F35 onboard to the Sc sea. More firepower more fun.
 
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You forgot: Cambodia started the war.


Japan Navy should as soon as possible deploy aircraft carriers with F35 onboard to the Sc sea. More firepower more fun.

Cambodia just preempted Vietnamese expansionism in IndoChina, a border skirmish didn't give Vietnam the right to invade a sovereign nation, ironically China backed Cambodia with punitive invasion of Vietnam while you mentor just watched.

Japan can come any time to SCS to witness how China build the fortified fortress from these islands, As reciprocity China will to patrol the first island chain, the fun is mutual, as for Vietnam you guys can only sit and watch with a powerless position...LMAO.
 
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Cambodia just preempted Vietnamese expansionism in IndoChina, a border skirmish didn't give Vietnam the right to invade a sovereign nation, ironically China backed Cambodia with punitive invasion of Vietnam while you mentor just watched.

Japan can come any time to SCS to witness how China build the fortified fortress from these islands, As reciprocity China will to patrol the first island chain, the fun is mutual, as for Vietnam you guys can only sit and watch with a powerless position...LMAO.
You call border “skirmish” when they killed 2 million including Viet settlers in Cambodia and with their regular army attacked Vietnam at multiple points on the western fronts, penetration deeply in Vietnamese territory?

In reality without Beijing’s backing, Cambodia never has the military to attack Vietnam. It’s suicide.

You can stick your peaceful rise and sovereign nation empty rhetoric into elsewhere!

The USSR did not sit idle as you claim. The largest ever army mobilization was underway including fielding nuclear weapons. You just played with China fate on the poker table. For the sake of a murder regime, a country, most common chinese don’t know.

Not necessary for the red army to intervene because the PLA lost more 1,000 men per day. Worse than the German army suffering in the final battle of Stalingrad.
 
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Japan Navy should as soon as possible deploy aircraft carriers with F35 onboard DF-21D victims to the Sc sea. More firepower more fun.
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You call border “skirmish” when they killed 2 million including Viet settlers in Cambodia and with their regular army attacked Vietnam at multiple points on the western fronts, penetration deeply in Vietnamese territory?

In reality without Beijing’s backing, Cambodia never has the military to attack Vietnam. It’s suicide.
It was a lesson you needed to be taught. Sadly, it seems you're forgetting the lesson. Don't worry, China excels at giving remedial teaching to the slow student. Your leaders will be dumb enough to attack Cambodia again, have no doubt of it; when they do, rest assured that you won't forget the lesson China gives you in response. Neither will the other countries on China's periphery, who will finally understand that no one on Earth can save them from China's wrath if they bring discord to tianxia.

Rejoice! For you have a great role to play in China's restoration to glory.
 
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"The country’s military earlier said about 275 ships have swarmed the vicinity of Pag-asa Island from January to March this year."

That sounds like an invasion to me. What do Philippines call it?
 
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Just wait for a week and let this cool down - then Chinese President will send a Panda to Duterte :china:
 
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It was a lesson you needed to be taught. Sadly, it seems you're forgetting the lesson. Don't worry, China excels at giving remedial teaching to the slow student. Your leaders will be dumb enough to attack Cambodia again, have no doubt of it; when they do, rest assured that you won't forget the lesson China gives you in response. Neither will the other countries on China's periphery, who will finally understand that no one on Earth can save them from China's wrath if they bring discord to tianxia.

Rejoice! For you have a great role to play in China's restoration to glory.
Nonsense why should we repeat the same mistake??? But ok since you are talking on China military power. Honestly, thanks single child, the present PLA is too weak, with the ranks filled by too many weaklings and cowards to seriously threaten Vietnam.
 
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You call border “skirmish” when they killed 2 million including Viet settlers in Cambodia and with their regular army attacked Vietnam at multiple points on the western fronts, penetration deeply in Vietnamese territory?

In reality without Beijing’s backing, Cambodia never has the military to attack Vietnam. It’s suicide.

You can stick your peaceful rise and sovereign nation empty rhetoric into elsewhere!

The USSR did not sit idle as you claim. The largest ever army mobilization was underway including fielding nuclear weapons. You just played with China fate on the poker table. For the sake of a murder regime, a country, most common chinese don’t know.

Not necessary for the red army to intervene because the PLA lost more 1,000 men per day. Worse than the German army suffering in the final battle of Stalingrad.

Don't portray yourself as victim to mask Vietnamese expansionism in IndoChina, and don't get me wrong I'm totally against killing innocent Vietnamese civilians but the historical hatred between Viet and Cambodia and Viet and Thai as China with Japan had made alot of innocent victims.

Without Soviet backing, Vietnam wouldn't be so arrogance to expand its tentacles into Cambodia and Laos only few years after their bloody civil war. What China and Cambodia did was to stop your Vietnamese expansionist.

We all know Soviet had mobilized their massive army and threaten to use nuke against China in several occasions and our nukes had made them think twice. Every nation will put the fate of their own nation on the poker table if they want to take part of any war, Soviet knew that their wouldn't get way if they attacked China.

Sure Vietnam was so desperate for red army to intervene when seeing China bombed North of Vietnam to stone age but Soviet did care more about itself than a disposable Vietnam, and the great irony is now your formal mentor become China best friend which Vietnam is now so desperate to find a new mentor such US.

Nonsense why should we repeat the same mistake??? But ok since you are talking on China military power. Honestly, thanks single child, the present PLA is too weak, with the ranks filled by too many weaklings and cowards to seriously threaten Vietnam.

A single Chinese child with AI drones and high tech weapon to fight a video game style against bunch of poor jungle multi-children Vietnamese army? you're asking to bring more coffins into the battle field and Vietnamese parent will have more death to mourn. You can call us as weak and coward but Chinese wisdom allowed us to rule your nation for millennium and still inspire fear among your elite classes intellect.
 
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Pompeo reassures Philippines that US will defend it if China attacks
by Joel Gehrke
| March 01, 2019 06:58 PM

If China attacks the Philippines in an effort to control a vital international shipping lane, the United States will help defend its ally, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warned Friday.

“China’s island-building and military activities in the South China Sea threaten your sovereignty, security, and therefore economic livelihood, as well as that of the United States,” Pompeo said at a press conference in the Philippine capital of Manila. “[A]ny armed attack on Philippine forces, aircraft, or public vessels in the South China Sea will trigger mutual defense obligations under Article 4 of our Mutual Defense Treaty.”

That treaty stipulates that the United States and the Philippines will “act to meet the common dangers” that arise from “an armed attack in the Pacific Area.” Pompeo’s declaration clarifies that the United States would treat a clash in the disputed waters of the South China Sea as an assault on the Philippines.

“The Trump administration has made a true commitment to making sure that these seas remain open,” he said. “We remain committed to supporting not only the Philippines in that effort — and the Philippines will need to do its part as well — but all the countries in the region so that these incredibly vital economic sea lanes are open and China does not pose a threat to closing them down.”

Philippine foreign secretary Teodoro Locsin was pleased to hear it. Speaking at the press conference with Pompeo, he said that "we are very assured. We are very confident that the United States has, in the words of Secretary Pompeo and the words of President Trump to our president, we have your back."

Philippine officials have long worried that the United States would use the fact that sovereignty over the area is in dispute — China and the Philippines are just two of the handful of countries with claims — to avoid its treaty responsibilities. Philippine National Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana announced in December his government was re-examining the Mutual Defense Treaty and the United States' obligations under it, saying the Americans were "ambivalent" as to whether Philippine-occupied islands in the South China Sea counted as part of the country under the treaty. "That's our problem because the United States has always said that they will not meddle into territorial disputes," he said.

American security experts have had the same concern. If the United States didn't come to the Philippines' defense in an attack, as Gregory Poling of the Center for Strategic and International Studies put it last year, "then every ally that the U.S. has globally is going to start wondering what the price is on their head because the Philippines aren’t worth standing up for.”

The South China Sea is one of the world's most important waterways, with about $3.4 trillion in international shipping trade going through annually, according to U.S. government analysts. Yet Philippine officials have at times seemed willing to accommodate China on the issue, tempted by the promise of Chinese investment in Philippine infrastructure and worried that a clash between U.S. and Chinese forces over the waterway could draw them into a destructive fight.

While in Manila, Pompeo met with the Philippines' president, Rodrigo Duterte, whose relationship with the United States deteriorated after President Barack Obama called out the strongman over his poor human rights record. Duterte traveled to Beijing in October 2016 to announce his “separation from the United States” and discuss increased Chinese investment in his country.

Pompeo stressed that the “mutual defense agreement” obligates the Philippines to stand up for the alliance’s common interests against China. “They can’t claim an ocean,” Pompeo said of China in an interview with Channel News Asia. “That’s not the way international law works, and it is not good for the world. The United States is determined to ensure that these waterways remain open, and our freedom of navigation exercises are an element of that.”

Duterte's spokesman was circumspect about Pompeo's visit, suggesting the government might still seek to revisit the Mutual Defense Treaty. "There may be some kinks in the treaty that need to be clarified,” Salvador Panelo told reporters Friday. "It's much better perhaps that it's clear-cut in the treaty itself, so I think there's still a need to review despite the policy statement.”

Lorenzana, Duterte's defense secretary, has also questioned whether the Cold War-era treaty is "still relevant to our security." But Locsin, the foreign minister, said Friday alongside Pompeo that he didn't agree the treaty needed revision. The U.S.-Philippine alliance is "an arrangement that has contributed to regional peace, freedom, stability, and prosperity since it was formalized," he said. "The key word is mutual. We have our end to hold up as well, and we need the means to do that from the United States."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...pines-that-us-will-defend-it-if-china-attacks
 
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Nonsense why should we repeat the same mistake??? But ok since you are talking on China military power. Honestly, thanks single child, the present PLA is too weak, with the ranks filled by too many weaklings and cowards to seriously threaten Vietnam.
Do you have any idea how large China's population is?o_O If a billion people vanished from China tomorrow it would still be the second most populous country in the world.
The Chinese military has about 2.5 million active + reserve personnel (a number that shrinks with modernization). Out of a population of 1.39 billion, that's 0.18%.
The Vietnamese military has 482,000 active + 5.5 million reserve (WTF is up with that? Do you just give anyone a rifle and a week of training and he's now a "reservist"?:lol:), call it 6 million. Out of a population of 95.5 million, that's 6.2%.

China and Vietnam aren't even in the same order of magnitude when it comes to drawing recruits from the population. All of this is meaningless, however, since China would use its overwhelming technological, operational, and doctrinal advantages to cripple Vietnam's ability to fight and sever its supply lines before it could even think to begin mobilizing.
Pompeo reassures Philippines that US will defend it if China attacks
Duterte doesn't seem all there at times, but I doubt even he is addled enough to believe Pompeo.
 
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No they don't. Collectively speaking, Japan is still way ahead in past 5 years. Hong Kong has been at the 1-2 billion peso level for the past 5 years, well in 2013 it was about half a billion. So HK is not even close to either Japan or Singapore.

We'll see if China can translate larger economy in the future into corresponding level of higher investments in the Philippines.

Might be interesting to consider that the Netherlands has made big investments too. In 2015, they put in 82 billion, out-doing China's 2018 by a wide margin.
Mainlian China together with Hong Kong's investment in south eastern Asian countries are massive and will only increase massively, Japan may have bigger investment in this region in the past, but it's history gone forever, Your economy is shrinking and even South Korea is in a much better shape than Japan.
 
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Philippine is calling for their death ,they are nothing infront of china and cannot defeat isis in their own cities without u.s help so how can they stand infront of china,they have no right to claim these islands as they are weak nation who cannot control properly its own territory and unable to secure it from insurgency
 
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