Dubai Airshow 2011

[rcrmj]

巴基斯坦希望与中国联合生产五代机反制印度

美刊称J-20已高速滑跑首飞在即 机长超21米

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　　东方网12月29日消息：巴基斯坦爱国者网站12月27登载文章称，未来十年所有空军将把发展重点聚焦于五代战机所用的隐形技术上，印度空军也将在25年内拥有大量与俄罗斯联合生产的五代战机，这将对巴基斯坦构成极大威胁。为此，文章列出了多项巴基斯坦空军可能选择的反制印度威胁的措施，其中包括与中国联合设计和生产第五代机战机，继续改善升级JF-17枭龙战机使其可集成未来50年内的先进技术，以及与中国联合生产WS-13引擎为无人战斗机提供更强大动力等等。

　　巴基斯坦希望与中国联合生产五代机反制印度威胁

　　文章称，本土飞机和发动机生产领域存在的巨大失败，使印度空军出现了很大差距。目前，印度空军正设法弥补因无力生产轻型战斗机(LCA)而出现的空白。其中包括三个等级的采购、购买俄罗斯第五代战机，也可能直接从美国购买战机等等。

　　而且，未来25年内，印度空军将拥有大量第五代战机。不过，中国空军仍会遥遥领先，而且不会面临来自新德里的威胁。而巴基斯坦空军已经注意到印度空军的数量变化，并且正在采取适当措施应对这一情况。

　文章指出，如果俄罗斯能够生产第五代战机，而且其所制造的五代战机确实稳定可靠，那么到2025年时，印度空军将会拥有现役的俄罗斯PAK-FA战机。

　　针对这一情况，巴基斯坦空军制订了如下对策：开始慢慢掌握五代战机技术，以便将其融入现有战机中；与中国联合设计和建造第五代及其他战机；购买采用稍旧技术的美国战机，然后以较少的费用升级这些飞机；与印尼、土耳其联合发展地区军事技术，从而应对这一威胁；采用成本较低的方式处理即将到来的威胁；利用导弹应对这一威胁；继续改善升级JF-17枭龙战机，使其可集成未来50年内的先进技术；生产在歼-10B基础上发展而来的FC-20C，并且与中国联合生产歼-11；将无人机技术推进到下一个水平上，并设计、生产无人战斗机。

no way its says China and Pakistan is actually working on a 5th gen fighter to answer IAF's PAK-FA`!! is that true, or just some smoke to scare the sh1t out of IAF??

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

no way its says China and Pakistan is actually working on a 5th gen fighter to answer IAF's PAK-FA`!! is that true, or just some smoke to scare the sh1t out of IAF??

This article was written back in December 2010, and 6 months later the big shrimp has confirmed that China and Pakistan have an undergoing 5th gen fighter project which its code name is J-2X.

 

[monitor]

translation of above article what exactly it tells
Pakistan hoped that the joint production with China to counter India's Five machines
Journal of the United States has called J-20 first flight around the corner captain ultra-high-speed roll 21 m
Recent days, China's major military forum in the spread of the Air Force the next generation of fighter picture

LONDON Dec. 29 news: Pakistan Patriot website posted on December 27 article said that the development of the next decade will focus on all Air Force aircraft used to focus on five generations of stealth technology, the Indian Air Force will have a lot in 25 years with the Russian co- Five aircraft production, which will pose a great threat to Pakistan. To this end, the article lists a number of the Pakistan Air Force may choose to counter the Indian threat measures, including joint design and production with the Chinese fifth-generation fighter machines continue to improve the upgrade Xiaolong JF-17 fighters to be integrated over the next 50 years advanced technology and joint production with the Chinese WS-13 engine for unmanned aircraft to provide a more powerful motivation.

Pakistan hoped that the joint production with China to counter India's threat to the Five Dynasties machine

The article said that the local field of aircraft and engine production there is a huge failure, so that there is a big gap between the Indian Air Force. Currently, the Indian Air Force is trying to compensate for the inability to produce light aircraft (LCA) and appear blank. These include three levels of procurement, purchasing Russian fifth generation fighter, it may be directly purchased aircraft from the United States and so on.

Moreover, the next 25 years, the Indian Air Force will have a large number of fifth-generation fighter. However, the Chinese Air Force will still ahead, but do not face the threat from New Delhi. The Indian Air Force Pakistan Air Force has taken note of the number of changes, and is taking appropriate measures to deal with this situation.

The article points out, if Russia can produce fifth-generation fighter, it produced five generations of aircraft and indeed reliable, then by 2025, the Indian Air Force will have a fleet of Russian PAK-FA fighter.

In response, the Pakistan Air Force developed the following responses: Five fighters began to slowly grasp the technology to be integrated into existing aircraft in; with joint design and construction of China and other fifth-generation fighter; purchase using slightly older technology of the U.S. fighters and with less cost to upgrade these aircraft; and Indonesia, Turkey, the joint development of regional military technology to respond to this threat; use of lower cost approach to the upcoming threat; the use of missiles to deal with this threat; continue to improve upgrade JF -17 Xiaolong fighters, it can be integrated in the next 50 years of advanced technologies; production on the basis of the F-10B developed from the FC-20C, and joint production with the Chinese J-11; UAV technology will advance to the next level, and the design, production and unmanned aircraft.

 

[Paan Singh]

Currently, the Indian Air Force is trying to compensate for the inability to produce light aircraft (LCA) and appear blank. These include three levels of procurement, purchasing Russian fifth generation fighter, it may be directly purchased aircraft from the United States and so on.

bull crap.......who wrote this article??

i dont want to divert thread but just wanted to quote this..

 

[monitor]

Dubai Airshow 2011: Google Earth assists Pakistan Air Force in border operations


The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) was forced to use Google Earth to plan its early missions against militants fighting in the border regions with Afghanistan.

Speaking on the eve of the Dubai Airshow, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleiman, chief of the Pakistan Air Force, told delegates that at the beginning of its counter insurgency operations in the Bajaur Agency region in August 2008, the air force did not have the intelligence-gathering capabilities it needed for detailed mission planning.

As a result, it had to resort to use Google Earth software to plan the missions.

'It was not very useful, but it did give us an aerial view of the villages so we could see their layout,' Suleiman told Shephard at the Dubai International Air Chiefs Conference (DIAC).

'We were able to use the 3D terrain view to allow our pilots to see their entry and escape routes from the target.'

Since then, the PAF has taken delivery of Goodrich DB-110 reconnaissance pods fitted to its fleet of F-16s and a handful of Star Safire III EO/IR turrets, which have been fitted to the noses of C-130 transport aircraft allowing them to be used as a long-endurance ISR platform.

The aircraft are flown by PAF crews but with the sensor operated by Pakistan Army personnel using a mission system fitted in the cargo hold, rather like that used on the US Marine Corps Harvest Hawk KC-130J.

Suleiman said that the PAF has flown around 650 missions using the Star Safire system on the C-130, adding that the system has been hugely appreciated by ground commanders. There had also been some 500 sorties using the DB-110.

Since the beginning of PAF operations against the militants in the region, the air arm has dropped some 10,600 weapons against 4,600 targets.

During operations in the Swat Valley, which began in May 2009, the PAF dropped 1,700 laser-guided bombs as they attacked militant positions in preparation for the movement of ground forces.

 

[rcrmj]

bull crap.......who wrote this article??

i dont want to divert thread but just wanted to quote this..

seriously you actually thinking LCA is going well and planed`? an mig-21 upgrade took 30 years yet still need direct purchase of parts from foreign countries``and also has LCA done any full-loaded maneuver tests yet?

 

[Adios Amigo]

Cut it out guys.....you are going off topic!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

seriously you actually thinking LCA is going well and planed`? an mig-21 upgrade took 30 years yet still need direct purchase of parts from foreign countries``and also has LCA done any full-loaded maneuver tests yet?

In this coming decade, Pakistan can indigenously produce every part of their aircraft including the engine.

So the Indian members can't troll anymore about how JF-17 is less indigenous than LCA.

And lets stop right here.

 

[Paan Singh]

seriously you actually thinking LCA is going well and planed`? an mig-21 upgrade took 30 years yet still need direct purchase of parts from foreign countries``and also has LCA done any full-loaded maneuver tests yet?

and how many times you will post this??and how many times answer will be delivered??

sorry amigo...but this guy deserved reply.

 

[rcrmj]

and how many times you will post this??and how many times answer will be delivered??

sorry amigo...but this guy deserved reply.

that wasnt a question but the reality which most of you deny``

China Pakistan started develop JF-17 in 1998 and took around 10 years to get it into service, so in our point of view (actually from most aviation powers point of view) LCA it is a failed project.

JF-17 now is coming to the second stage where the block-II will improve its capability and combat efficiency dramatically, and it will be delivered within few years time. even its a cheaper plane than F-16s and FC-20 but as Pakistan has the capability to produce it independently which makes JF-17 more a strategic asset than F-16s and FC-20s. on the other hand without foreign assistance LCA cannot fly as simple as that

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Ask to the Pakistani military insiders here, they may know some first hand information about the WS-13 engine.

According to the Chinese military insiders, WS-13 is going to be fully ready for mass production by 2012.

Lets see if the Pakistani military insiders do have the same information.

 

[houshanghai]

Interview PAF first JF17's test pilot in Dubai Airshow 2011

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[PakShaheen79]

Where is complete video of Thunder performance ?

 

[MastanKhan]

Don't u guys think 200kg for 70KM range BVR missile is very heavy? means AMRAAM wih 90KM range and better avionics on board is just 150KG!?

Hi,

Oh jeez----you do understand the difference in technology---. Now you know.